A Baoa Quu, different perspectives

[B Gundam]

In the original MSG, A Baoa Quu had a lot of focus on the duel between the Gundam and the Zeong, but there's a war going on around them, so here are some different perspectives. Enjoy the epic battles between mostly nameless fodder dudes.

Gundam Senki 0081
(Nameless Guncannon pilot ftw!)

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Gundam - The Ride: A Baoa Quu
Would you believe it if I told you the guy yelling all the time is actually higher ranked AND a better pilot than the other one? Well thats how it is XD

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Senjou no Kizuna (Spectator screen)

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Senjou no Kizuna (Player PoV)
This is the same game as above, but in one of the cockpit capsules

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MS IgLOO: Apocalypse 0079

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[J Gundam]

All the videos were great but the first one was truly epic. Now I know the pilots you were referring to in the thread. It was great watching pilots that were fodder in the show show off their skills.

Watching Char and Amuro got to work was cool but the "nameless" Guncannon pilot was great. Looking back on MSG, it's too bad he never got a chance to pilot RX-79 considering he was easily the second best pilot on White Base after Amuro.

Even though the final battle of GW was no where near as epic as A Baoa Qu, I wish there was a video like that for the final battle.

[B Gundam]

the "nameless" Guncannon pilot was great. Looking back on MSG, it's too bad he never got a chance to pilot RX-79 considering he was easily the second best pilot on White Base after Amuro

Are you implying that the guncannon was piloted by Kai or Hayato? Because the White Base's unit serial numbers are known, they use Guncannons C-108 and C-109, which wasn't the serial of the shown Guncannon.

As for Kai Shiden, he can become an epic pilot in G Gen DS if you screw with the plot:

After the process of playing the game through twice each in a different route, start a special mode and in the battke of A Baoa Quu, take out Amuro (now in FA NT-1 ALEX) with anyone EXCEPT Char. This will cause Amuro's Novelisationish-death (where he dies from random gunfire in A Baoa Quu). Doing this, as if they wanted to show you how frickin important Amuro mere existence is, EVERYONE FAILS. What I mean? Basically this:

Heero fails, OZ has its way
Kira fails, ZAFT and Blue Cosmos go on rampage
Camille fails, Titans win everything to the point of amalgating most of the above evil organisations
And thats just the beginning

Basically the lack of Amuro in this crossover universe snowballs into major loss of pretty much any protagonist faction and the final battle is fought between a combined force of the VILLAIN FACTIONS (Titans, Blue Cosmos, ZAFT, OZ, Zeon, Neo Zeon. etc) facing the godmode army.

It also spawns some interesting effects on certain pilots:
-Jerid developes into a pretty strong Newtype and goes about saving Treize and Une by knocking away Azrael's full Extended Team in their respective Gundams solo. Treize and Une being in Epyon and Tallgeese preparing to die in battle, Jerid being in a FODDER UNIT.
-Kai Shiden suddenly gets ticked off once too often (First time being Miharu to push him into further fighting, now Amuro)... and awakens as epically strong Newtype piloting the Nu Gundam in Amuro's stead. Although subject to fail rule being on the protagonist faction sides, when you actually get to control him in the final battle you suddenly notice he somehow easily tops most of your established aces, including most if not all other protagonists (who joined the "bad" guys because they are the only plausible force capable of actually winning against the greater threat)

[Heer0Yuy]

Which G GEn are you implying to?

[B Gundam]

...read the post again XD

[J Gundam]

Are you implying that the guncannon was piloted by Kai or Hayato? Because the White Base's unit serial numbers are known, they use Guncannons C-108 and C-109, which wasn't the serial of the shown Guncannon.

As for Kai Shiden, he can become an epic pilot in G Gen DS if you screw with the plot:

After the process of playing the game through twice each in a different route, start a special mode and in the battke of A Baoa Quu, take out Amuro (now in FA NT-1 ALEX) with anyone EXCEPT Char. This will cause Amuro's Novelisationish-death (where he dies from random gunfire in A Baoa Quu). Doing this, as if they wanted to show you how frickin important Amuro mere existence is, EVERYONE FAILS. What I mean? Basically this:

Heero fails, OZ has its way
Kira fails, ZAFT and Blue Cosmos go on rampage
Judau fail, Titans win everything to the point of amalgating most of the above evil organisations
And thats just the beginning

Basically the lack of Amuro in this crossover universe snowballs into major loss of pretty much any protagonist faction and the final battle is fought between a combined force of the VILLAIN FACTIONS (Titans, Blue Cosmos, ZAFT, OZ, Zeon, Neo Zeon. etc) facing the godmode army.

It also spawns some interesting effects on certain pilots:
-Jerid developes into a pretty strong Newtype and goes about saving Treize and Une by knocking away Azrael's full Extended Team in their respective Gundams solo. Treize and Une being in Epyon and Tallgeese preparing to die in battle, Jerid being in a FODDER UNIT.
-Kai Shiden suddenly gets ticked off once too often (First time being Miharu to push him into further fighting, now Amuro)... and awakens as epically strong Newtype piloting the Nu Gundam in Amuro's stead. Although subject to fail rule being on the protagonist faction sides, when you actually get to control him in the final battle you suddenly notice he somehow easily tops most of your established aces, including most if not all other protagonists (who joined the "bad" guys because they are the only plausible force capable of actually winning against the greater threat)

I was referring to Kai. Hayato was good and I'm assuming he'll show off his skills at some point in Zeta but Kai was the better pilot to me. Especially after Miharu's death.

LOL! So basically, every Gundam protagonist(even the ones not in UC) channels Amuro's spirit. My boy Walker needed some of that...

Those stroylines you mentioned were cool. I haven't watched enough of Zeta to form a lasting opinion on Jerid but he seems like the complete opposite of a newtype where I'm at right now.

Treize was a great character(too tough to label him an antagonist or protagonist) but Une can burn for all I care. The colony arc midway through the series had it's moments but I couldn't stand Une's schizophrenic drivel.

With all that said, once some things clear up, I'm going to dive right into some of these Gundam games.

[B Gundam]

I can recommend one if you like specific genre. Do note that most G Gens have a very cheap exploit that makes tactics obslete, making them far less enjoyable IMHO.

Luckily there are tons of Gundam games for any taste, some are real under-the-radar gems of gaming history (but some others utterly BS) ranging from Mahjong and PuyoPuyo up to Mass Multiplayer Online games.

If you happen to visit Japan, the arcades there might even feature some very interesting games, among them Senjou no Kizuna, which has 2 groups of cockpit pods (where you control via levers and pedals, not quite a real cockpit but as close as you'll get in near future) and lets players square off in MS mass battles against eachother while a big spectator screen (usually camped with audience) watches the fights or Gundam


Cue in FF music - oh wait the ingame music ALREADY SOUNDS LIKE THAT...


Mahjong... and you thought Mario had a ridiculous variety of game themes...

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Large scale 8 vs 8 matches between players in cockpit pods are a commonly enjoyed event in popular arcade halls featuring Senjou no Kizuna.

[J Gundam]

How did you find Gihren's Greed and it's sequels? And what games are among your personal favorites?

[B Gundam]

Gihren's Greed is what you want for strategy, a major downside is without conditioned experimenting or knowledge of japanese its difficult because you sometimes have to juggle politics and stuff. Even the frickin wonderswan version has you debating with other commanders over which strategy to use.

My personal favourites:

TBS:

Gihren's Greed: Any of them are superb, manage strategic battles, pilots, politics, your relation to other factions, research of new technologies etc. and also choose to either go with the plot or completly subvert it. Think Garma shouldn't die? Save him! Think M'Quve is an *ss for using nukes? Prosecute him! Gelgoogs suck for new mainstream unit? Convince your fellow Zeon of the usefulness of Gyans! Want the Gundam? Steal it! Its all at your fingertips.

G Generation Spirits: Why spirits? Cuz I'm a UC fan? Well it might be a reason but older G Generations generally suck in a certain way: They usually have an exploitable one-peak way to win any battle easily. There's nothing strategic about it. If you want an example: a PS G Gen had the rules "after landing a killing blow, the unit gets another turn" and "if a unit has max morale, it will only score criticals and have insane accuracy and dodge"... that and the fact that most units on either side aren't very tolerant to hits leads to a single one of your pilots tearing through a complete legion by himself. G Gen Spirits is finally a hard G Gen that forces you to come up with plans to beat the levels.

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SD Gundam G Generation Wars: As much as I like Spirits, Wars is the newest and UC only isn't everyone's cup of tea, it has similiar difficulty level and gives you the full dose of Gundam with all the innovations gained from G Gen Spirits!

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RTS:

Homeworld 2 with Mod: These modders knew what they were doing. Also, if you know Homeworld 2, you have to think differently: Though Capital ships and cruisers remain important, "Corvette" classes (being most of the MS) make a lot of difference for thei size.

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MMORPGs:

SD Gundam Online: Good for occassional playing with others, it doesn't have many missions (but they're very challenging for hard and expert modes) but multiplayer is where the fun is at. Work yourself from a simple training GM/Zaku all the way up to the higher unit ranks over command type CGues to the S ranked ones like WingZero Custom or Freedom(there is however, ONE SS unit as of now: Full Armor Nu Gundam), or stay with something cheap like a Zaku (low ranks mean you have more lives in mission mode your death gives less points to the enemy/takes less lives off your team depending on game mode)

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UCGO: I WOULD recommend this, but you can't play it anywhere as of now because the official version went out of business and the community rebuilding it is far from finished. Maybe next year.

[Heer0Yuy]

I played GGen Crossover and the 1st one on the DS. A.C.3., Super robot wars alpha 3, all the gundam vs games, GGen spirits for PS2, SRW Scramble commander, Dynasty gundams 1 and 2, SWRK and W for Ds and many more I'm not thinking of now. I'd really want to play Gundam Vs Gundam NEXT if it's being ported to psp and GGen Wars with SRW Z. Looking forward to getting these. Currently playing GGEn Spirits New Game with NT-1 Alex as my master unit.

[Heer0Yuy]

G Generation Spirits: Why spirits? Cuz I'm a UC fan? Well it might be a reason but older G Generations generally suck in a certain way: They usually have an exploitable one-peak way to win any battle easily. There's nothing strategic about it. If you want an example: a PS G Gen had the rules "after landing a killing blow, the unit gets another turn" and "if a unit has max morale, it will only score criticals and have insane accuracy and dodge"... that and the fact that most units on either side aren't very tolerant to hits leads to a single one of your pilots tearing through a complete legion by himself. G Gen Spirits is finally a hard G Gen that forces you to come up with plans to beat the levels.

GGen Spirits is downright hard. Getting Platinum on CCA was no easy task for me since I only cleared 0080 and the first stage of everything. (Trying to get Norris Packard for 72% completion). Save the fact that if you get Haros or Phoenix Zero as masters, the game isn't very broken. Getting every pilot requires platinum. I like challenges despite the fact that it doesn't have anything BUT U.C., it gets my vote as the better GGen.

[J Gundam]

Gihren's Greed is what you want for strategy, a major downside is without conditioned experimenting or knowledge of japanese its difficult because you sometimes have to juggle politics and stuff. Even the frickin wonderswan version has you debating with other commanders over which strategy to use.

So the Gihren's Greed series was never released in English?

Gihren's Greed: Any of them are superb, manage strategic battles, pilots, politics, your relation to other factions, research of new technologies etc. and also choose to either go with the plot or completly subvert it. Think Garma shouldn't die? Save him! Think M'Quve is an *ss for using nukes? Prosecute him! Gelgoogs suck for new mainstream unit? Convince your fellow Zeon of the usefulness of Gyans! Want the Gundam? Steal it! Its all at your fingertips.

That sounds cool. Can you change the events of 0080 and have Amuro pilot Alex?

[B Gundam]

Depends on the version you play. Some Gihren's Greeds let you choose between as M'Quve or Garma as protagonist, some force you to be Gihren (in which case full enjoyment is usually achieved by letting him survive all the way into the CCA age), and some just let you serve either Zeon or Feddies

If Garma/M'Quve: Make sure you don't screw up the respective defeat of either character, because following the plot results in Game Over. Victory over Earth together with Gihren's death will lead to Garma combining his forces with Earth's forming New Zeon (not to be confused with Neo Zeon. New Zeon features combined technologies of Zeon and EF and Garma Recruits the former Feddie aces), while M'Quve follows Kycillia and opposes him with Legitimate Zeon (Developes Zeon Technology even further, keeps more Zeon Aces around). Playing as Garma has you start with a weaker pilot as hero, but he grows into an Adult Garma who is quite an ace.

If Gihren: Avert Gihren's death in one of many ways, don't just get Game over at A Baoa Quu because you can screw around with things all the way to CCA, having principality of Zeon existing with Neo Zeon at the same time. Being Gihren yourself allows for more sandboxing than you might think, since whole Zeon is in your hands.

If commander of EF or Zeon: You don't have to worry about averting the plot to save your hide and you'll sometimes be able to choose to go with specific subfactions or new ones over time like titans/AEUG/etc. which decides your pilots and technology as well as the plot's developement, this mode lets you manipulate more events (you can leave out the gundam in Odessa for example, which makes everything harder, or have Amuro actually get NT-1, or send in General Revil as pilot for battles).

That sounds cool. Can you change the events of 0080 and have Amuro pilot Alex?

Its been done in certain Gihren's Greeds and in certain G Gens (at other times, Chris just stays in NT-1). Even if you're only controlling Zeon, it might happen because you screwed the plot to make Bernie or even the complete cyclops Team survive (possibly by not even letting them go intercept NT-1 in the first place).

[J Gundam]

If Garma/M'Quve: Make sure you don't screw up the respective defeat of either character, because following the plot results in Game Over. Victory over Earth together with Gihren's death will lead to Garma combining his forces with Earth's forming New Zeon (not to be confused with Neo Zeon. New Zeon features combined technologies of Zeon and EF and Garma Recruits the former Feddie aces), while M'Quve follows Kycillia and opposes him with Legitimate Zeon (Developes Zeon Technology even further, keeps more Zeon Aces around). Playing as Garma has you start with a weaker pilot as hero, but he grows into an Adult Garma who is quite an ace.

Who are some Federation aces? I found a few lists of Zeon paces but I haven't found any Feddie aces.

[B Gundam]

Amuro Ray? duh lol

Feds also have a lot of aces, many were former tank or fighter pilots who transfered to MS and also the protagonists from series can get recruited by Garma, like Shiro or Kou.

Feddies include Tenneth A. Jung (most kills in OYW for federation side), Lido Wolf (ex fighter), Texan Demitri (ex fighter), Yuu Kajima just to name a few.

[J Gundam]

I assumed Amuro was a given. LOL!

I was a little disappointed when I realized Sleggar Law never piloted an actual MS in MSG. Do you think he could do it?

[B Gundam]

If he appears as opponent he'll commonly pilot MS in some G Gen or Gihren's Greed installments (unless you're going exactly like the story) and if you have him its also possible to swap him into another unit, its sometimes also necessary to get him back alive from fighting the Big Zam.

Games never see a problem with him switching to an MS because they're too lazy to make someone bound to driving something or getting stat penalties resulting in Sleggar becoming a very good pilot.

As for the possibility, if you do consider that Federation runs simulators and the common MS cockpit works similiar to that of a core booster and also the fact that some major federation aces like Lido Wolf or Gary Rogers piloted fighter jets (Yuu also asked Amy to swap to MS in the manga, saying with her skills she'd become an ace in no-time), it should be fully possible for Sleggar to adapt MS piloting and even be good at it.

[Heer0Yuy]

It's pretty much possible for him to be MS Pilot. After all, look at Mu La Flaga. Former MA pilot of Skygrasper/Mobius Zero, then switched to Strike with a bit of sparring with Kira. I know he ain't U.C. but still. Meek point. Any MA pilot can switch to MS given the time.

[J Gundam]

Now that you guys have brought up examples of the other piltos and the simulators the Federation used, it makes sense. I'm halfway through Zeta and if Fa Yuiry and if Katz Kobayashi can make it through ANY battles and survive, Sleggar Law could definitely be a good MS pilot. It's too bad he died so soon after joining White Base. TOMINO....!!

[B Gundam]

Yeah, SEED also has that cockpit thing. I mean Skygraspers ARE the cockpit of Strike, so if you can handle a skygrasper you at least have the basic know-how for moving Strike, and Mwu was a major character and Ace, not to mention slightly beyond human with his spatial awareness.

But among Feddies, Sleggar wouldn't be the first one to successfully adapt to MS from fighter crafts, the only thing he'd have less experience in is Melee Combat. Ex-Tank users tend to rely on terrain and ballistics more from their experience in tanks and Fighter craft transfers rely on speed and shooting over Melee, but Gary Rogers has shown that If he uses his knowledge on dynamic flight maneuvers he can perform efficient Coup de Grace attacks with a Melee Weapon. Fighter pilots can apply a good deal of their know-how to use own MS fighting styles to make up for experiences in things they lack even if they aren't Newtypes or altered Humans like Mu. Lido Wolf even got as far as becoming feared as the "Dancing Black Death" for his Zeon adversaries.

[J Gundam]

Interesting.

I wanted to ask you about Buran Blutarch of Zeta Gundam. Does he appear in any of the video games? He's one of my favorites in Z so far but I haven't found much info on him. I know he's the Oaland's Newtype Lab's test pilot for the Asshimar. Gundamofficial.com implies he's a Titan but I found some Japanese site and after translating a little bio they had on him, he's listed as a Feddie.

Do you have any info on him?

[B Gundam]

Its because Federation had quasi total rule after winning against Zeon, all the NT labs therefore are Federation and titans is a sub-faction of the Federation (or so the Federation thinks, though thats not where things are going with the titans). As the titans gain more and more power they are able to put the labs under their support for getting their hands on some NT pilots. Blutarch is an Ace, sure he didn't win the day or anything but he was up against Kamille and Char and the Asshimar was fresh out at that time (after successful test runs of the prototype from Advance of Zeta), getting one commissioned is a good indication that you're going somewhere. Buran was notably needed in that battle as counterweight to Rozamia, while Rozamia was the strong cyber NT (aka enhanced human) she was also one likely to go haywire; In the series (but not the movies) Rozamia will get someone commissioned just to prevent her from spazzing later on.

Other than that, Buran doesn't have much more backstory, its not like there's a sidestory on him or anything. though he does actually appear in some G Gens and even SRWs in his Asshimar, where he contributes to the titans-miniboss-overload (whenever facing titans, be prepared to face an army of "minibosses" in some games)

[J Gundam]

Its because Federation had quasi total rule after winning against Zeon, all the NT labs therefore are Federation and titans is a sub-faction of the Federation (or so the Federation thinks, though thats not where things are going with the titans). As the titans gain more and more power they are able to put the labs under their support for getting their hands on some NT pilots. Blutarch is an Ace, sure he didn't win the day or anything but he was up against Kamille and Char and the Asshimar was fresh out at that time (after successful test runs of the prototype from Advance of Zeta), getting one commissioned is a good indication that you're going somewhere. Buran was notably needed in that battle as counterweight to Rozamia, while Rozamia was the strong cyber NT (aka enhanced human) she was also one likely to go haywire; In the series (but not the movies) Rozamia will get someone commissioned just to prevent her from spazzing later on.

Other than that, Buran doesn't have much more backstory, its not like there's a sidestory on him or anything. though he does actually appear in some G Gens and even SRWs in his Asshimar, where he contributes to the titans-miniboss-overload (whenever facing titans, be prepared to face an army of "minibosses" in some games)

I see. He's definitely an ace. I was completely surprised with how he seemingly took out Roberto with ease.

On another note, I've also become a fan of Yazan Gable. I'm at episode 26 and he's already probably my favorite character in Z. He just oozes badassness and the fact that he's able to pilot the Gaplant shows he's tough too.

[JustPlaying]

I feel in love with the first clip :O! Made me imagine if they did all the touch up on the previous Gundam. It would be so awesome! But dang that clipped sent goosebumps down my spine. I want more from it ^ ^! I wonder what did happen after the aftermath.

[J Gundam]

I feel in love with the first clip :O! Made me imagine if they did all the touch up on the previous Gundam. It would be so awesome! But dang that clipped sent goosebumps down my spine. I want more from it ^ ^! I wonder what did happen after the aftermath.

What do you mean?

I agree with about the goosebumps though. It was an epic video.