So you know what Poland and the other East European countries would have done? Wow, you're clairvoyant! Even though most people in those nations would rather have committed suicide than join the USSR, especially after the Soviets killed the best of Polish society in the Katyn Massacre. And by the way, what relevance does that have to my question? None.
Excuse me, why would what you count as empires be relevant? What does that have to do with my point? You said: Britannia could have joined with the Chinese Federation and created world peace, by everyone slowly merging into one people. I gave plenty of examples of countries that created empires, and little to no merging took place. What do you answer to that? Other than saying you don't count them as empires, which is irrelevant.Actually I count only four great empires in history (The Persian Empire during the Achamenid Dynasty and to a lesser degree during the Arsacid and Sassanid Dynasties; the Roman Empire, including all of its branches and offshoots such as the "Byzantine" Empire and the Holy Roman Empire; The Arab Empire of the Caliphs; and the Inca Empire.
The Mongol Empire would count as a fifth if it's conquests were not so incredibly brutal.
I forgot a few, by the way: Austro-Hungaria for example. And everybody's favorite, Yugoslavia. Nice merging of nationalities there.
AThe European "empires" seem more like accumulations of colonial possessions than true empires to me.
Accumulation of colonies = the definition of empire.
FACT: all of those were empires. No "merging of peoples" took place. They all wanted independence. Like the subjugated peoples in the Mayan Empire, the Inca Empire, and the USSR. And like Finland, which left Russia during WWI even after a long period of being given concessions as an autonomous part of Russia, with Finns even serving as the Czar's honorary guard. Shall I go on? Empires don't work. Peoples don't merge. They want to be free.nd of the possessions of those colonial "empires" Latin America gained independence as a result of the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars and the others because of the terrible shock of World War I and World War II.
The Zulu realm was more like a kingdom.
Nope, you're wrong. But thanks for throwing in whatever you can to just make your posts longer and longer....Actually most of those reams fell mostly because of external invasions and only slightly because of rebellions by the subject peoples.
By the way: why would the peoples in the empires want to leave when outside pressure weakened the empires - if they had merged into one people as you claim they could? Instead they were just waiting for the opportunity to break free. You just showed one example of how they break free, thereby adding more proof that that's what happens to empires in the end.
Oh boy, how ignorant you are. Latin was spread to France, Spain and Portugal through the Goths, not through the Roman Empire. The Western Goths became Christianized, and after they had invaded Rome they brought Latin with them when they moved further west. They became a ruling class in southern France and in the Iberian peninsula, and that is why those languages are Latin-based. It didn't happen in the Roman Empire. It only happened AFTER the Roman Empire had fallen. That is how unwilling they were to merge with the Romans!And the subjects of the Roman Empire did develop a sense of Roman identity. Languages based on Latin are spoken from Rumania or Romania (Roman-land) to Portugal. "Byzantine" Greeks called themselves Rhomaion, or Romans. Asia Minor, modern Turkey, was for centuries known to Muslim peoples as Rum ("Rome"). Modern Turks and Greeks are ethnic enemies, but for more than a thousand years the ancestors of both nations were known as Romans and proud of it.
Did they merge back with Rome? No. So you lose there.
" "Byzantine" Greeks called themselves Rhomaion, or Romans. " - Did they merge back with Rome? Nope. So you lose there, once again.
Modern Turks and Greeks are ethnic enemies, but for more than a thousand years the ancestors of both nations were known as Romans and proud of it. - Your ignorance is truly staggering. The Turks were never part of the Roman Empire, and never called themselves Romans! It was the Byzantines who were East Rome! The Turks invaded Byzantine and ended it!
Please, look up the real history instead of making things up. To claim that the Turks called themselves Romans for a thousand years, that is extremely absurd. It's like saying the English called themselves Irishmen because they ran Ireland.
(And Ireland broke away and gained independence, by the way. So once again there's an example of how wrong you are about the "evil of nations" being destroyed through empires.)
LOL And they couldn't wait to break free, which they did.The Roman Empire was ruled by officials and even Emperors of many different ethic origins, such as Macrinus the Moor or Philip the Arab, or Septimius Severus, whose family allegedly spoke Punic more often than Latin when he was a child.
By the way, once again you falsify history. Making it sound as if Rome was always run by outsiders. For a long, long time it was run by Romans. But when the Romans were weakened and became a smaller percentage of the Empire's population, they had to give more and more concessions to the subjugated peoples. I assume you generalize and say Rome was run by foreign peoples, just like that, as yet another part of following a Marxist-leaning "sociology" agenda - the glory of Rome must not be a European thing, right? I know how that works.
Uh, they were far, far closer to each other than any other peoples. They were just tribes of the same people, and tribes of the same people merge easily. Don't lecture me on that, I know history better than you do. Question: did the Koreans come to think of themselves as Japanese, even after generations of Japanese control? Did the Chinese in Manchuria come to think of themselves as Japanese, when they were controlled by the Japanese Empire? Do the Taiwanese consider themselves Japanese, after Japan built pretty much their entire infrastructure? Answer: no. You fail again. And these peoples are much closer to each other than the Britannians and Japanese in Code Geass.For example, In the fifth century AD the Okimi ("Great King") of Wa (Japan) sent a message to China boasting of the dozens of tribes or kingdoms of "barbarians" that he and his ancestors had conquered for the greater glory of their overlord the Son of Heaven (and not all to satisfy their own lust for power, of course). And at that time more than half of modern Japan was still unconquered by the Japanese. And over centuries the natives of tens or hundreds of conquered and annexed lands have turned into Japanese people.