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    Default GITS:SAC is RACIST and OTHER FINAL COMMENTS

    I noticed that of the few BLACKS who appeared on the show, the first one was a criminal (he had dreadlocks and dark glasses and he was the one Motoko captured and held at gun point in an early episode of GITS:SAC 1st Gig), the second one was a big dimwitted towering lummox who worked in a bar, and the last one was another criminal who worked for a cyber-pimp. That is racist-does anyone else feel that way or am I reading too much into it?

    Why is it called GHOST IN THE SHELL? A "ghost" from what I understand is a person's essence or soul, and they capture it and upload it into a person's prostethetic body. How do you upload and capture a person's soul into a prosthetic body? A soul is the spiritual part of a person and this sounds like witchcraft at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    I noticed that of the few BLACKS who appeared on the show, the first one was a criminal (he had dreadlocks and dark glasses and he was the one Motoko captured and held at gun point in an early episode of GITS:SAC 1st Gig), the second one was a big dimwitted towering lummox who worked in a bar, and the last one was another criminal who worked for a cyber-pimp. That is racist-does anyone else feel that way or am I reading too much into it?

    Why is it called GHOST IN THE SHELL? A "ghost" from what I understand is a person's essence or soul, and they capture it and upload it into a person's prostethetic body. How do you upload and capture a person's soul into a prosthetic body? A soul is the spiritual part of a person and this sounds like witchcraft at work.
    While I am not of the power to force my opinion on the matter, I do believe it would be for the best if we kept the tense subject of racism out of this section and in Miscellaneous where I would think it be better suited. This is a clean section, and I'd appreciate it if we could keep it that way.

    With regards to your second question, I do believe it speaks for itself. A 'ghost', as they so eloquently put it in the anime, resides within the proverbial shell of a prosthetic body. This reference, as far as I know, was spoken only in regards to those who actually had a prosthetic body and never by comparison to a human of flesh and blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinn Kamiyra View Post
    While I am not of the power to force my opinion on the matter, I do believe it would be for the best if we kept the tense subject of racism out of this section and in Miscellaneous where I would think it be better suited. This is a clean section, and I'd appreciate it if we could keep it that way.

    With regards to your second question, I do believe it speaks for itself. A 'ghost', as they so eloquently put it in the anime, resides within the proverbial shell of a prosthetic body. This reference, as far as I know, was spoken only in regards to those who actually had a prosthetic body and never by comparison to a human of flesh and blood.

    Have a good day.
    I disagree-a lot of anime has a history of being racist.

    No one else noticed this stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    Why is it called GHOST IN THE SHELL? A "ghost" from what I understand is a person's essence or soul, and they capture it and upload it into a person's prostethetic body. How do you upload and capture a person's soul into a prosthetic body? A soul is the spiritual part of a person and this sounds like witchcraft at work.
    Ghost is analogous to, but not exactly, a soul. Major has one because she is human even though her body isn't. The blond female androids that do a lot of the grunt work on the communications side at Section 9 do not have ghosts because they are fairly simple AI. The Fuchikoma/Tachikoma are a complex case, but they apparently don't in the manga. The only non-human that has a ghost is The Puppetmaster. It's probably best thought of as the spark that separates humans from animals, although in this setting it is considerably more complicated then that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    Ghost is analogous to, but not exactly, a soul. Major has one because she is human even though her body isn't. The blond female androids that do a lot of the grunt work on the communications side at Section 9 do not have ghosts because they are fairly simple AI. The Fuchikoma/Tachikoma are a complex case, but they apparently don't in the manga. The only non-human that has a ghost is The Puppetmaster. It's probably best thought of as the spark that separates humans from animals, although in this setting it is considerably more complicated then that.
    Okay, but what about the way blacks are portrayed in the show? You don't think it's patronizing or offensive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    Okay, but what about the way blacks are portrayed in the show? You don't think it's patronizing or offensive?
    No, not really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    No, not really.
    Why? It's like saying blacks are inferior and all they are good for are being criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    Why? It's like saying blacks are inferior and all they are good for are being criminals.
    No it isn't. It's three characters, not an entire race. Point me in the direction of any statements by any of the major characters or the show's staff that would establish their opinions on black people has a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    No it isn't. It's three characters, not an entire race. Point me in the direction of any statements by any of the major characters or the show's staff that would establish their opinions on black people has a whole.
    Then why are the only THREE BLACK CHARACTERS on the show ONLY portrayed NEGATIVELY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    Then why are the only THREE BLACK CHARACTERS on the show ONLY portrayed NEGATIVELY?
    You're grasping for straws. Please point me in the direction of any statements by any of the major characters or the show's staff that would establish their opinions on black people has a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    You're grasping for straws. Please point me in the direction of any statements by any of the major characters or the show's staff that would establish their opinions on black people has a whole.
    Do you get what I'm getting at here? Those are NEGATIVE black steretypes.

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    there are many more intelligent ways to argue racism. i'm black and i don't look too much into it. in every culture, there will be caricatures of other races so of course anime would contain some.

    its pretty petty and trivial to discuss racism with such scant evidence. much like the "i'm not jewish" rant in the ethnicity thread. be prepared to discuss heavier issues such as race with lots of evidence, well thought out argument and know ur audience

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    Do you get what I'm getting at here? Those are NEGATIVE black steretypes.
    I do see what you're getting at, and have asked you to provide more evidence. I guess you can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    I do see what you're getting at, and have asked you to provide more evidence. I guess you can't.
    Have they ever had any blacks on the show who WEREN'T criminals?

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