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    Default End of the universe?

    Yes this thread will talk about the end of the universe, and more to the point how it will end by way of dark energy.
    To learn more on dark energy go to science daily.
    These links should help you understand it more. The 3rd link I think is the most simple. ( it has graphs. )
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1028132104.htm
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1216133438.htm
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1119171826.htm
    Now how is dark energy going to end it all you ask?
    It is a force that is pushing/pulling on gravity( I guess thats how you can put it). Gravity keeps everything nice and not in a uncountable number of pieces and thus without it nothing could be.
    Dark energy is makeing the universe expand faster and faster and the only way that could happen is if it was getting stronger and stronger. At some point it will be stronger so much so than gravity that everything will come apart at the sub-atomic level. That is a true Armageddon. When will this happen? I forgot but don't worry it is not in a number that I can count to.

    Now there are still many things unknown about dark energy and seeing how everyone on this site may not want to get into a science debate this thread will have many points to talk on.
    1. Do you believe that dark energy is what it is said to be? If no then give some sort of reason.
    2. Did anyone else think Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann when thinking about dark energy and the end of everything?
    3. What do you think will happen after everything goes and splits apart into a billion sub-atomic parts? ( A big ang to get stuff together again? )
    4. Do you think that the end has happened be4 and that this supports the big bang?
    5. I will add this if something comes to mind. )

    Anything I need to make more clear?
    (Note: I could not find the daily news I wanted from like 5 months back so these ones will have to do. )
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    so im guessing something like in trillions of years the true Armageddon will happen.
    So we are safe for now
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    Yes, and not just for us. XD those aliens that think they are better than us will go bye bye too.
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    Its nothing to be worried about. All dark energy is pushing things away from each other I'd say dark matter might be more dangerous than that but that is nothing really special either all dark matter is positive electrons. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpurple View Post
    Its nothing to be worried about. All dark energy is pushing things away from each other I'd say dark matter might be more dangerous than that but that is nothing really special either all dark matter is positive electrons. . .
    I agree it is nothing to worry about but it is interesting to know some day everything might just come to an end, though I doubt humans will be around that long.
    Knowing everything may/prolly come to an end is interesting. You know it will not cut your life short or even that of your children or your childrens children, ect.... but you do know for sure that nothing can ever last forever.
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    I dont quite think your getting the point here. Dark energy is just the universe expanding. Your overreacting over a trivial matter -.-

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    I am not reacting much at all.
    It is more than that. It is the cause of the universe expanding and not the expanding itself. The universe exspanding is one part of this.
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    ok well the expanding universe will not destroy humanity. . .

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    Dark matter is the theoretical 'stuff' that comprises the rest of the universe's perceived 'mass'. It's called such because unlike the rest of the mass, we can't see it, even though we can see its effects and infer 'it' exists (whatever 'it' turns out to actually be). It's quite apparent that, regardless of your own description of it, gravity is not enough to keep the universe moving in the way we are viewing it to move. It's not enough to keep things 'tidy'.

    I would love to see what led you to make this statement:

    Dark energy is makeing the universe expand faster and faster and the only way that could happen is if it was getting stronger and stronger. At some point it will be stronger so much so than gravity that everything will come apart at the sub-atomic level.
    Apparently you know something the rest of the scientific community doesn't.


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    The end of the universe will occur when Family Guy wins an Emmy.

    End of thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotten Show View Post
    Dark matter is the theoretical 'stuff' that comprises the rest of the universe's perceived 'mass'. It's called such because unlike the rest of the mass, we can't see it, even though we can see its effects and infer 'it' exists (whatever 'it' turns out to actually be). It's quite apparent that, regardless of your own description of it, gravity is not enough to keep the universe moving in the way we are viewing it to move. It's not enough to keep things 'tidy'.

    I would love to see what led you to make this statement:



    Apparently you know something the rest of the scientific community doesn't.


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    THere is a theory that could have effects on gravitation in the univirse.
    if you noticed in galaxies that all the stars orbit the center at the same rate no mater how far away they are from the core when in reality the further you are away from that gravity source the slower you orbit. In this theory scientists belive that a type of matter they call whimps have effects on the gravity in a galaxy although they have no effect physicaly on matter but are detectable through the gravity they produce them selves that effect objects around them.

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    Wait, you mean there's a theory that the largest concentration of mass in the universe, though invisible, could have an effect on gravity?



    I think the OP's answer to my question will be an interesting one, for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotten Show View Post
    Dark matter is the theoretical 'stuff' that comprises the rest of the universe's perceived 'mass'. It's called such because unlike the rest of the mass, we can't see it, even though we can see its effects and infer 'it' exists (whatever 'it' turns out to actually be). It's quite apparent that, regardless of your own description of it, gravity is not enough to keep the universe moving in the way we are viewing it to move. It's not enough to keep things 'tidy'.

    I would love to see what led you to make this statement:



    Apparently you know something the rest of the scientific community doesn't.


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    Here you go.
    It is next to the "dark energy is mearly an illusion?" topic near the bottom.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0508190416.htm
    "The theory is one of those that attribute dark energy to an entirely new field dubbed quintessence. Quintessence is comparable to other basic fields like gravity and electromagnetism, but has some unique properties. For one thing, it is the same strength throughout the universe. Another important feature is that it acts like an antigravity agent, causing objects to move away from each other instead of pulling them together like gravity."
    move away at every level of size and all at the same time everywhere.
    Please try and not talk out of your butt next time. There is a reason why I posted the links on the first post of the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SGI View Post
    The end of the universe will occur when Family Guy wins an Emmy.

    End of thread.
    Enough with the family guy -.-

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercenaryMERC View Post
    Here you go.
    It is next to the "dark energy is mearly an illusion?" topic near the bottom.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0508190416.htm
    "The theory is one of those that attribute dark energy to an entirely new field dubbed quintessence. Quintessence is comparable to other basic fields like gravity and electromagnetism, but has some unique properties. For one thing, it is the same strength throughout the universe. Another important feature is that it acts like an antigravity agent, causing objects to move away from each other instead of pulling them together like gravity."
    move away at every level of size and all at the same time everywhere.
    Please try and not talk out of your butt next time. There is a reason why I posted the links on the first post of the topic.
    Thats what I stated in my post please pay attention to details I just dumbed it down for you -.-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpurple View Post
    Thats what I stated in my post please pay attention to details I just dumbed it down for you -.-
    I alrealy started posting this when you posted yours. -.- idk you posted what you did. Plus I gave a link and a quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MercenaryMERC View Post
    Here you go.
    It is next to the "dark energy is mearly an illusion?" topic near the bottom.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0508190416.htm
    "The theory is one of those that attribute dark energy to an entirely new field dubbed quintessence. Quintessence is comparable to other basic fields like gravity and electromagnetism, but has some unique properties. For one thing, it is the same strength throughout the universe. Another important feature is that it acts like an antigravity agent, causing objects to move away from each other instead of pulling them together like gravity."
    move away at every level of size and all at the same time everywhere.
    Please try and not talk out of your butt next time. There is a reason why I posted the links on the first post of the topic.
    Ignoring your failed parry at my prior post (as my statement is aligned quite well with current views on the nature of 'dark matter', speaking out of my butt I'm definitely not), you provide a link to a theoretical model with no mention whatsoever of the universe tearing itself apart at the sub-atomic level. In fact, your post provides even more examples of a force that may prevent that from occurring (given that quintessence is viewed as a universal constant that might prohibit expansion from becoming 'out of hand'). Way to go, tiger.

    So how is it supposed to tear the universe apart, again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotten Show View Post
    Ignoring your failed parry at my prior post (as my statement is aligned quite well with current views on the nature of 'dark matter', speaking out of my butt I'm definitely not), you provide a link to a theoretical model with no mention whatsoever of the universe tearing itself apart at the sub-atomic level. In fact, your post provides even more examples of a force that may prevent that from occurring (given that quintessence is viewed as a universal constant that might prohibit expansion from becoming 'out of hand'). Way to go, tiger.

    So how is it supposed to tear the universe apart, again?


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    Gravity keeps everything together right? So what will something that does the opposit do? Anti-gravity agent.
    What part of
    "Another important feature is that it acts like an antigravity agent, causing objects to move away from each other instead of pulling them together like gravity."
    Did you not understand?
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    Awesome. Provided this is true (a theoretical model does not prove anything), that does not explain why 'dark matter' would tear apart the universe at the atomic or subatomic level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotten Show View Post
    Awesome. Provided this is true (a theoretical model does not prove anything), that does not explain why 'dark matter' would tear apart the universe at the atomic or subatomic level.


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    Ok one last chance for you to understand.
    Dark energy is makeing the universe expand right? They have already proven this go check some on the related stroies on daily science.
    Now why would Dark energy be pushing or pulling the universe outwards unless it had that property? It would not be doing that unless that is one of the things it dose. Grvaity pulls and Dark energy pushs.
    gravity effects mostly the same things that dark energy dose. Now if Dark energy became stronger then all things that were effected by gravity ( Atoms too ) would be pulled apart.
    We know dark energy is becomeing stronger and stronger because it has been watched by the expanding universe. Not itself but the rate it is pushing the universe apart, and it is getting faster and faster. More speed = more energy/power is pushing it. At some point it will become strong enough to over power gravity.

    Understand? Unclear on anything? Are you just trolling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MercenaryMERC View Post
    Ok one last chance for you to understand.
    Dark energy is makeing the universe expand right? They have already proven this go check some on the related stroies on daily science.
    Now why would Dark energy be pushing or pulling the universe outwards unless it had that property? It would not be doing that unless that is one of the things it dose. Grvaity pulls and Dark energy pushs.
    gravity effects mostly the same things that dark energy dose. Now if Dark energy became stronger then all things that were effected by gravity ( Atoms too ) would be pulled apart.
    We know dark energy is becomeing stronger and stronger because it has been watched by the expanding universe. Not itself but the rate it is pushing the universe apart, and it is getting faster and faster. More speed = more energy/power is pushing it. At some point it will become strong enough to over power gravity.

    Understand? Unclear on anything? Are you just trolling?
    Whoa, slow down there bud. None of this has been 'proven' at all. It's still just theoretical. We know something is out there, and we think we know some of its functions, but nothing's been proven yet. At all. Hell, we can't even formulate consistent theories about the nature of one of those forces (gravity), and you think we as readers ought to immediately accept the models you presented in science news articles as accepted facts? Please. A theoretical model does not make something a fact. Given that you're presuming to understand science, you understand this, right?

    Your entire hypothesis is based on the claim that eventually dark matter will get stronger and stronger, and will pull the universe apart by virtue of its resisting force, gravity. In order for your statement to be true, gravity must also be a continually growing force. Obviously neither 'opposing force' is enough to tear the universe apart right now, and if only one of those forces grows stronger then it's only going to pull the universe along with it (until such a point as when the speed of expansion become absurd). Sure, if the basis of your statement is true, such a time might eventually come. Or it might not. It might be at the levels of absurdity, gravity 'unhinges' and can no longer maintain a hold on the universe as we know it. There isn't a damn shred of evidence to suggest one way or another.

    Oh, and that expanding force is already stronger than gravity. In case you missed the memo about the universe expanding and all.


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    You missed a few things, and I will repeat a few things do may not have.
    Note: the links I gave you are a little outdated maybe. I am too lazy to find better ones.
    1. It is a fact that the universe if growing. They have done studies. This is a proven fact.
    2.The something out there has a name....." dark energy". We know gravity keeps everything together and we know that dark energy has the opposite effect. They stated it as a fact that it is anti-gravity in another artical that is more uptodate then the ones I gave and I think they did too anyways.
    3. We know that gravity keeps everything together. Everything has mass and thus has a pull of somesort that pulls something to it or gets pulled into something. Dark energy pushs everything and gravity is too weak sooner or later to counter it's effects and thus atoms are not help together they split apart.
    4. I am really tired right now.
    5. It is not my hypothesis.
    6. Just because it remains a theory dose not mean it is true. The only reason it is not a fact is that it can not be seen and many other things. We still do not know much about it but for the most part we now it's nature through studies. The theory of evolution.....
    7. damn I will finish this when I can wake the hell up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MercenaryMERC View Post
    1. It is a fact that the universe if growing. They have done studies. This is a proven fact.
    O rly? link link.


    2.The something out there has a name....." dark energy". We know gravity keeps everything together and we know that dark energy has the opposite effect. They stated it as a fact that it is anti-gravity in another artical that is more uptodate then the ones I gave and I think they did too anyways.
    No. We think that dark matter has a role in playing the opposing force of gravity. To know would imply we have confirmed, and as we have not confirmed, we cannot know. Nonetheless, this is only one model of several that exist. If you want to actually point me towards proof, or towards scientific publications instead of internet science news articles, you'll go a lot further in being convincing.


    3. We know that gravity keeps everything together. Everything has mass and thus has a pull of somesort that pulls something to it or gets pulled into something. Dark energy pushs everything and gravity is too weak sooner or later to counter it's effects and thus atoms are not help together they split apart.
    Stating 'thus atoms are not held together' does not show how they are not held together any more than me stating 'money appears in my bank account' actually makes me richer. I ain't from Missouri, but damned if I don't like saying "Show me".


    6. Just because it remains a theory dose not mean it is true. The only reason it is not a fact is that it can not be seen and many other things.
    And even the theory of evolution has a couple significant problems that have been conveniently ignored. It's the most consistent of the theories we've thought up concerning the course of changes among living things with successive generations, but it's hardly perfect. But that's off-topic, because unlike the evidence that suggests the theory of evolution is on the right track, the theoretical models you put forth do not have any evidence to support them.


    Get some sleep. Sounds like you need it.


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    Did you check any of the links I gave you or at the top? Did you check into this matter yourself be4 posting?
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