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    Do you believe in luck, in fate or chance?

    It's a weird topic cos a lot of people call it by many names... And yet, if you admit that you were born under the right circumstances, was in the right moment, said the right words, then you would also have to admit you were LED there by some unknown cosmic force that (apparently) really really likes you.

    Some people say that luck is hard work + opportunity (but that kind of destroys the whole point of the word "luck" dont you think?)

    Do you think you're lucky?




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    i dont really think about things when it happes i just say thank you to whoever and do it..i mean i almost got hit by a car when i was crossing the street(wasnt looking) and when i crossed i noticed how i almost got hit but i didnt feel any emotions toward it(kind wanted to get hit) but i dont know if u would call that luck or wat

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    lol, I believe in Karma good things happen to those who do good to others and fate well there are some circumstance where fate was more present then karma, but mostley I believe in the power of God.
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    In luck I believe it a little. In fate you can have the power to change it. In chance it is given to you.

    But God is greater than anything.

    I couldn't say that I'm lucky. Bad stuff usually happens to me. But I do have good luck on my side.
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    I do believe in chance. But I don't consider myself as a lucky one lol. Not much atleast.

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    I wonder if those "lucky" people actually exist? Or are they only a figment of imagination? hahaha

    Quote Originally Posted by Return of Ryushin View Post
    lol, I believe in Karma good things happen to those who do good to others and fate well there are some circumstance where fate was more present then karma, but mostley I believe in the power God.
    Karma... hm... For me Karma is a bit like the adult-version of Santa Claus... but that's just me hehe
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    people make thier own luck,fate,destiny and happiness in life so its all up to the choices you make in this world

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    I wouldn't say I'm lucky or unlucky. I think people change things for themselves, but I also think that everything always works out in the end.

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    i think its fun to believe in it, but i dont actually believe in it ya know?

    fate and chance i dont particularly believe in because i think that were on our own religously and such, i just dont believe in predetermined events, except for stuff like reservations and parties xD
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    When it comes to this sort of thing, it really depends for me.

    But I do have a question for all of you in pertinence to that.

    Since those words are used in many different phrases, if you did not believe in them, and you did not feel like using them in the sentence that you may be using at the time, what word or words, would you replace them with?

    e.g. instead of saying something along the lines of, "fate must have brought us together!" What in the bloody world would you say?

    or...

    "Good luck!" What would you say instead of that one?

    also...

    "It must have happened by chance!"

    Would you say, "It must have happened by snipe hunt!"

    Nah, I would not say that but still...

    Those were all just examples. But I thought that it would be interesting to see what phrases others may use instead of the usual coined phrases and/or terminology in pertinence to those three words (fate, luck, and chance).


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    Luck...ah luck...
    I've gotta say...not a believer.
    It seems illogical for something to be lucky, and something else that could just as easy be classified as "lucky" or "fate" be easily explained...
    If you think about it, luck doesn't really make any sense at all. There's usually an explanation for "lucky" things, even if you can't figure it out.
    If you roll a six sided die 20 times and get six 20 times, it's not lucky, it's simply improbable. You have a 1 in 6 chance of hitting six every time you roll (granted there are other variables that factor in, such as gravity).
    Luck is typically used for situations that seem to lack a reasonable explanation.
    I think it's a useful idea though.

    Chance is somewhat different. Chance would refer to the probability of obtaining a particular result. It tends to be used in the context of an unlikely result, as "good chance" is usually conveyed as "good luck". Rolling the die 20 times and getting six 20 times is absurd. It's merely chance. Luck fits this instance as well, however it is confined to the result, while chance can refer to the probability of the result and the result itself.

    Fate....fate's never quite clicked either. Though I find it ironic that fate's bunched in with these. Fate implies the lack of chance/luck, and the lack of choice. I believe in the freedom of choice. Thus, not only do I believe it's a God-given right, but I also believe it holds validity. Fate would sort of poke holes in that...
    Fate implies that an individual has a set course. Therefore, being able to change/make your own fate would be illogical. It would completely defeat the purpose of fate.
    At this very moment I am going to be a senior in high school. Currently, part of my fate (as this does not encompass my entire life) is to finish high school (I'm assuming). If I were to drop out, that would instantaneously change.
    One could make the argument that, for some reason, I may not finish high school, in which case my fate would not change. Really the only way to disprove this is to actually finish high school.
    Fate can also be interpreted as, instead of/not just as the path one follows, but the ending result they face. In which case, unless your religion proves otherwise, death is a pretty universal fate. Yeah, I would say that one's just about impossible to disprove (For example, I'm a Christian. If Jesus were to comeback, techincally I wouldn't "die").

    The last thing (yeah, believe it or not, my rant is almost over XD hang in there) is in regard to karma. I don't mean to offend anyone, but Karma is simply logic. If you do something good to your neighbor, their return of the good deed is more likely, and vice versa.
    At the same time, if it's concerning events that aren't person to person, such as giving money to charity and obtaining "good karma", all I have to say is this:
    People tend to be rather close-minded. They tend to concentrate their focus on particular things. If you expect good things as a result of good karma, you're far more likely to concentrate on more of the good things that happen to you.
    A kid lives a wonderful life. He grows up in a religious home with loving parents. His family does very well for themselves. He does great in school, is very athletic, has tons of friends, and pays great attention to his family. You could say he's close to the ideal individual. He dies at the age of 16 from a car wreck. It wasn't even caused by him. Where was karma then? Was it because he snuck into that movie a few hours earlier? I would expect good/bad deeds to be weighted.
    The way that this disproves karma is that you cannot argue that this situation is impossible. Improbable, sure, but not impossible. I'm sure it's happened before.
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    In case you were wondering, yes, I did just overcomplicate simple concepts and probably took it too seriously.
    In all fairness, though, I was asked my opinions...
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    I don't know...

    But, I think you can have lucky situations. Like, finding a £10 note on the floor- that was lucky! But I don't think you can alter how lucky you are, like with charms and stuff.

    As for karma, well I think if you do a good deed you feel good and if you feel good you can deal with the bad stuff better and the good seems even more awesome... so yeah :/






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    Quote Originally Posted by i_say_sabotage View Post
    I wonder if those "lucky" people actually exist? Or are they only a figment of imagination? hahaha



    Karma... hm... For me Karma is a bit like the adult-version of Santa Claus... but that's just me hehe
    you could call it what you want, but I believe if you do good things for others because you wan't to not because your forced to, then good things will happen to you, guess its a little like santa clause with his naughty and nice list, but its worked for me so far.

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    I dont believe in it, I think we make our own destiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Return of Ryushin View Post
    you could call it what you want, but I believe if you do good things for others because you wan't to not because your forced to, then good things will happen to you, guess its a little like santa clause with his naughty and nice list, but its worked for me so far.
    My POV here was already touched on a bit by Divine_Flame's long rant (yeah, I read it the whole thing dude hehe). It's something like a good person (like the boy for example) getting something he doesn't "deserve" (getting hit by a car).

    For me, Karma is like Santa Claus, as it can be considered more of a motivational "idea", rather than an precise (or even existent) rule. It's nice to believe that you'll get rewarded for your good deeds, but that doesn't make it true. I don't believe in Karma in the sense that good people don't necessarily get the good things in life, and justice don't really get served (at least, not all the time.. sometimes, even if they do, the victim isn't around to witness that act of justice.. and honestly, what's the point in that?). This is, of course, not taking into consideration Divine Intervention/Judgment/Punishment etc., which people might argue on with. I'm just talking about our time in our world as humans. Anyway, what is good and bad anyway? Isn't this definition constrained to a subjective POV? And if person gets bad karma for one thing he's done wrong, how does he know the Karma has ended? What about good people who suffer indignity, pain, hardships and die in this state? To stretch it further, how about those miscarried babies that have never done anything wrong in their lives and yet died without even getting a chance to redeem themselves? Is that bad karma too?

    It would be nice if the world was Black and White, only then may Karma be somewhat "true". But as it turns out, we live in a vast and multi-shaded world of gray... so it's like uhm... we live with what we get...

    I just think it's better to be a good person by choice, without being scared of "bad karma" or wanting to be rewarded by "good karma" s'all.

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    Back to the topic, sometimes the lot gets confusing because if you argue that you "make" your destiny/fate, how sure are you that that change was part of the course you were "destined" to take?

    If it's true that we control our own destiny, then isn't that a bit uhm.. self-centered? Surely, if I had control of my life, I wouldn't have chosen to move out of a country and leave my family and friends behind cos my father's company got bankcrupt. I didn't choose that. But there I was thinking it was my FATE to graduate from highschool, go to college and live a normal life. Instead, I got a plane ticket and a slap from a great dismal hand that said "Here's your life. Live it." I was affected by outside forces, by people, both active and passive, decisions, etc that were out of my control. Is that what people call fate? Hm... I wonder...

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    The Flow is an interesting concept... How does that work? Does reading "the patterns" change anything? Hehe


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    OMG, IT'S SHORTER!
    Well, again, I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in freedom of choice. So while I do believe one chooses the path they take, there are obviously forces outside their control. That's always going to be a factor, and there's nothing you can do about it.
    You were just profoundly unfortunate i_say_sabotage
    As for the others, I get the feeling from reading posts that mine wasn't read (frown or laughing face?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine_Flame View Post
    OMG, IT'S SHORTER!
    Well, again, I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in freedom of choice. So while I do believe one chooses the path they take, there are obviously forces outside their control. That's always going to be a factor, and there's nothing you can do about it.
    You were just profoundly unfortunate i_say_sabotage
    As for the others, I get the feeling from reading posts that mine wasn't read (frown or laughing face?).

    Naw, I don't believe I was unfortunate! That's the funny thing. Moving into another country was actually therapeutic. At first, I was devastated, of course, thought Life was picking on me... but it turns out to be better than I thought. In retrospect, I actually liked how my plans got derailed like that and was presented with an alternative... Or maybe I'm just optimistic? haha

    About the freedom of choice thing, I guess it's all gone down to: Life hands you a menu where you choose how you're going to react to a certain situation (which, btw, Life put you in the first place), and you take a step to that path and so on...

    In the end, the choices are still limited... hm..


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    I don't believe in luck. I believe in awesomeness. I excel in everything I do because I'm awesome. If you thoroughly believe you will succeed in everything, you will. I have never failed an exam in my life. In fact, I'm so awesome, I've been known to perform incredible, nearly superhuman feats by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anger Bag! View Post
    I don't believe in luck. I believe in awesomeness. I excel in everything I do because I'm awesome. If you thoroughly believe you will succeed in everything, you will. I have never failed an exam in my life. In fact, I'm so awesome, I've been known to perform incredible, nearly superhuman feats by accident.
    Believe me when we all know your awesomeness is off the charts and that one day you shall destroy the world.

    Topic: Me, I believe we make our own luck.
    I now know what hell sounds like; I recommend a tactical nuclear strike on my position. Tell my family I love them.

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    hmm . . . I consider myself lucky.
    I have a great family, and amazing friends,
    lots of loving pets, and a home to call my own.
    Yea, I'm lucky.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anger Bag! View Post
    I don't believe in luck. I believe in awesomeness. I excel in everything I do because I'm awesome. If you thoroughly believe you will succeed in everything, you will. I have never failed an exam in my life. In fact, I'm so awesome, I've been known to perform incredible, nearly superhuman feats by accident.
    I don't see you excelling in humility.
    Besides, if you performed incredible, nearly superhuman feats by accident, then they weren't your initial intentions. If that's the case, you failed to excel in meeting those goals. I suppose you could say you excelled in failing due to your awesomness, but that just seems like a contradiction....
    = D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine_Flame View Post
    I don't see you excelling in humility.
    I only excel in things I want to excel in. Humility is a silly virtue.

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    Naturally.
    However if that were the case, you would lack any aspirations whatsoever. I doubt that's the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine_Flame View Post
    Naturally.
    However if that were the case, you would lack any aspirations whatsoever. I doubt that's the case.
    I have no aspirations. I just surf down the path of least resistance, and watch people work their butts off and fail at what I accidentally succeed in.

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