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    Default I have a question

    When holy books tell us to kill people for working on the wrong day (Exodus 31:15), or saying the wrong words (Leviticus 24:17) or because they are homosexual (Leviticus 20:13), and millions of people believe these are the words of God, is it possible that religions inherently breed violence, or do they only do so if people really take their religions seriously? And if people would condemn a man or woman who preached these things, why do they worship gods who say them? WHY?

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    Oh Hi Yellow 7!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 久里寿 View Post
    Oh, Hi Yellow 7!!

    Run for the hills!!!!

    These threads will end up being locked since it usually leads to flaming wars.

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    You've got yerself a FUBAR'd view of religion and spirituality, but I somehow suspect that this is not the appropriate venue for this kind of discussion. I'll play ball if the mods clear it.


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    because deep down its sort of an excuse for people to fufill there desires which is....violence and control...i do believ that god did say those things...but i believe he did it becauses hes so lonly..and he has so much madness in him that its the only way for him to feel ..good...it doesnt mak since to others but...so wat

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    Pshh, the bible says a lot of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmaSD View Post
    Pshh, the bible says a lot of things.
    u mean it says a lot of crap

    "Dark light come shine in her lost heart tonight
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    well first of all the bible was created by people. and as you are aware people are violent, egotistical, inimical, uneven and so on so they find in the bible and religion in general away to channel those emotions.

    though religion is not bad if not taken completly literal and only focusing on the good side of it but very few people have the time patience and will power to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmaSD View Post
    Pshh, the bible says a lot of things.
    Quote Originally Posted by myoujou View Post
    u mean it says a lot of contradicting things
    Your talking about hypocrisy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraphimAriaRhapsody View Post
    Your talking about hypocrisy?
    no I think they're talking about common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaaraanimelover View Post
    When holy books tell us to kill people for working on the wrong day (Exodus 31:15), or saying the wrong words (Leviticus 24:17) or because they are homosexual (Leviticus 20:13), and millions of people believe these are the words of God, is it possible that religions inherently breed violence, or do they only do so if people really take their religions seriously? And if people would condemn a man or woman who preached these things, why do they worship gods who say them? WHY?
    Exodus 31:15 says for anyone who attacks the Sabbath aka tries to destroy the day entirely should be put to death.
    Now i have no idea where you are getting leviticus from for it says "If a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death" which we all know is that eye for an eye principal. As for the part of Homosexuality, that is just a part of Christianity. We believe that God has created us as sexual beings meant for the opposite sex. But we have to see that this is in the Old testament. The testament without Jesus Christ. Jesus set a new standard, if you will, for relieving the whole death and punishment for sin. instead of being killed for you sin's, you have a chance to repent and ask for forgiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by International 4-8818 View Post
    Exodus 31:15 says for anyone who attacks the Sabbath aka tries to destroy the day entirely should be put to death.
    Now i have no idea where you are getting leviticus from for it says "If a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death" which we all know is that eye for an eye principal. As for the part of Homosexuality, that is just a part of Christianity. We believe that God has created us as sexual beings meant for the opposite sex. But we have to see that this is in the Old testament. The testament without Jesus Christ. Jesus set a new standard, if you will, for relieving the whole death and punishment for sin. instead of being killed for you sin's, you have a chance to repent and ask for forgiveness.
    well isn't that generous of him/her/it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoryureppa View Post
    well isn't that generous of him/her/it.
    yep repent from every though, bad action and flaw that you were born with as a human being, and you won't burn in the fiery pits of hell for All eternity.
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    Good comeback. I see the knee-jerk reflexes are strong.

    gaaraanimelover, have you considered consulting a forum (online or not) that focuses more on religious issues? A Jewish synagogue or temple would be a good place to start, since Judaism is based on the Old Testament. Unless you were simply hoping to air your opinions and find agreement with them, I somehow doubt you'll find many serious answers from knowledgeable folks here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfuerte View Post
    yep repent from every though, bad action and flaw that you were born with as a human being, and you won't burn in the fiery pits of hell for All eternity.
    a great deal if you ask me.
    That is the point. You don't repent from what flaws you were born with; you repent from the sins you have committed. It is the act of sinning that drives people away from Christ. Repentance is the way to come back. I have no idea where this crap about Hell being a pit of fire and brimstone. Hell is just a place where you live for an eternity being away from God. That is truly being in Hell.

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    yeah I think we better slow down before this blows to high hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoryureppa View Post
    yeah I think we better slow down before this blows to high hell.
    -no pun intended.
    Why? This is a good conversation

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    Quote Originally Posted by International 4-8818 View Post
    Why? This is a good conversation
    I know man but pretty soon people will come people with far more atachment to this subject than you and me and every one else and they start getting violent and people start shouting and getting irritated and finally call the snipe.

    and my response well acording to various passages in the bible they do discrive hell as a fiery pit with lots of kicking and screaming and shouting and burning and suffering and I remember something they said in sunday school about a rich guy who treated bad a poor guy then when they died the rich guy wanted the poor guy to soak his finger in the foundtain of heaven and puting it on his toungue (which no matter how you look at it it has some homo erotism to it) but the poor guy couldn't because those are the rules and if god loves people so much why didn't he let the poor guy (lasaruz I think was his name or something) help the rich guy in such agony well I don't think that's really a god but an einvention of man to scare the crap out of people into beign good.
    but that's just my opinion not to be taking seriously not as seriously as the bible at least.

    ps sorry I don't punctuate I really can't not a native speaker make the best out of it thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfuerte View Post
    I know man but pretty soon people will come people with far more atachment to this subject than you and me and every one else and they start getting violent and people start shouting and getting irritated and finally call the snipe.

    and my response well acording to various passages in the bible they do discrive hell as a fiery pit with lots of kicking and screaming and shouting and burning and suffering and I remember something they said in sunday school about a rich guy who treated bad a poor guy then when they died the rich guy wanted the poor guy to soak his finger in the foundtain of heaven and puting it on his toungue (which no matter how you look at it it has some homo erotism to it) but the poor guy couldn't because those are the rules and if god loves people so much why didn't he let the poor guy (lasaruz I think was his name or something) help the rich guy in such agony well I don't think that's really a god but an einvention of man to scare the crap out of people into beign good.
    but that's just my opinion not to be taking seriously not as seriously as the bible at least.

    ps sorry I don't punctuate I really can't not a native speaker make the best out of it thank you.
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    Dude you are gonna make people mad.

    Quote Originally Posted by International 4-8818 View Post
    Why? This is a good conversation
    this is exactly why. you might be reasonable enought to make sense out of this, and not get offended. but as I said before people will blow this out of proportion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoryureppa View Post
    and here comes Elfuerte trampling trough the rules self-control like a wild rinoserous after sitting in a ant colony.
    Dude you are gonna make people mad.


    this is exactly why. you might be reasonable enought to make sense out of this, and not get offended. but as I said before people will blow this out of proportion.
    yeah well that was my last point and I made as laconic, clear and inclusive as I can is not by any way meant to be insulting. so if people get mad is because of their own surmise.
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    religion again!?
    this is all you guys speak of
    religon religion religion
    jesus

    THESE THREADS SHOULD BE BANNED SO THERE ARE NO PEOPLE WHO WILL START AGRUEMENTS THAT ARE INSANELY USELESS

    thanx
    ps. dont go ape on me now thanx
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    Quote Originally Posted by wowzabunny View Post
    THESE THREADS SHOULD BE BANNED SO THERE ARE NO PEOPLE WHO WILL START AGRUEMENTS THAT ARE INSANELY USELESS
    Isnt this starting an argument thats insanly useless?

    Anyway I like reading these kind of threads because its a subject that intrests me and I like to look at others views. Sorry but Im just not that big on 'whats your favorite shampoo colour' threads.
    This is a Sig. It's horribly out of date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniPhil View Post
    Isnt this starting an argument thats insanly useless?

    Anyway I like reading these kind of threads because its a subject that intrests me and I like to look at others views. Sorry but Im just not that big on 'whats your favorite shampoo colour' threads.
    yes altough posting in this threads is not going to solve anything, or give way to any conclusions. is better then to be talking about what you had for dinner last night. because this subject affects the whole human race as a force in the universe. cuz time and again religion has stoped or made it difficult, to make significant advancements in science.
    Introspection is the name of the game.
    play it!!!!!!


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    Your post is kind of confusing. It seems to contradict itself, but Ill try and address it anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by shoryureppa View Post
    yes altough posting in this threads is not going to solve anything, or give way to any conclusions. is better then to be talking about what you had for dinner last night.
    I'm not trying to solve anything, I just like the discussion. People who discuss sport don't expect to solve their teams problems but will still debate solutions or causes for the enjoyment.

    because this subject affects the whole human race as a force in the universe. cuz time and again religion has stoped or made it difficult, to make significant advancements in science.
    And a dam good reason to discuss it.
    This is a Sig. It's horribly out of date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniPhil View Post
    Your post is kind of confusing. It seems to contradict itself, but Ill try and address it anyway.

    I'm not trying to solve anything, I just like the discussion. People who discuss sport don't expect to solve their teams problems but will still debate solutions or causes for the enjoyment.


    And a dam good reason to discuss it.
    I think he actually wants to continue the conversation
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