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    Default Suicide - What is your opinion?

    What is your opinion about suicide?

    Celeste is neutral to this topic.
    There are times in our lives where you can not see any other way than to suicide. I am currently in this phase. Therefore I won't be against suicide. But on the other hand, it seems to be just unfair to those people who are close to you or who mean alot to you/whom you mean alot. In other words, it is just selfish.
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    Suicide is the most selfish thing any human being could ever do.
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    suicide hmmmm

    i personally dont see the effectigveness of nding your own life to make yourself feel some sort of release

    and yes it is selfish

    i also see it as the cowards way out, ending it rather tan resolving your problems, on the flip side some people see this as thier only option and feel trapped

    and in other cases like with a disablitiy or a degenerative disease (like parkinsons) i support euthanasia/suicide



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    Quote Originally Posted by Memento Mori View Post
    Suicide is the most selfish thing any human being could ever do.
    I've really never understood that argument. Everything we do is selfish.

    My feelings are as such: Suicide in general is a bit meaningless. It isn't wrong, since after all, you alone are master of your own body. But it is still meaningless, since you only get to live once, and you will die naturally in the future. There's no point in pushing it.

    BUT! Suicide can be merited. If you are afflicted by some horrible terminal illness and your remaining days will including agonizing pain, then go ahead: There's no meaning in clinging to such an existence.



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    Suicide is the cowards way out when life gets tough.


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    I really feel like I wanna commit suicide. But no, my wafers are preventing me from doing so. So is AF community and my family. GO AF!
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    I was always brought up to believe suicide was wrong because life is sacred, and ending your life prematurely is a great offense to nature.

    I think suicide is unnecessary and cowardly and quite selfish. I don't want to offend anyone here who has a friend or a relative commit suicide (I myself had an old friend who killed himself), but taking your own life really is the easy way out. Manning up and dealing with your problems is what you ought to do.
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    A few folks mention it being the easy way out, but nobody has addressed the argument brought up by Eris. Interesting.


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    Suicide is the most selfish thing i have ever seen. I know this because three of my friends have committed suicide. Eris, the reason why it is selfish is because the person committing suicide does not understand the fact that they are creating hell for everyone else they know. I went into depression when each of my friends killed themselves.
    I never felt suicide was necessary. It is just, for the lack of better words, retarded.

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    Well technically speaking, it IS the easy way out right? Even if you were terminally sick (like what eris said), It's still easier to die than cling on to a hope that after all the agonizing pain, you'll somehow get better. (that's more painful that the sickness.)

    I don't think suicide is selfish. You can't let yourself think you're living for other people's sake. That, to me, is the real selfishness. You're entrusting them with your burden which should be yours alone. You can't live for other people... Your life, is your business.

    YOU HAVE TO LIVE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO. It's as simple as that. If you don't, then you don't deserve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_say_sabotage View Post

    I don't think suicide is selfish. You can't let yourself think you're living for other people's sake. That, to me, is the real selfishness. You're entrusting them with your burden which should be yours alone. You can't live for other people... Your life, is your business.

    YOU HAVE TO LIVE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO. It's as simple as that. If you don't, then you don't deserve it.
    this statement in itself is a manifestation of the selfishness mentioned. your right about not living for anyone else, but by taking "the easy way out" it will burden the people that care about you. so for you it may be "easy" but i guarantee it wont be "easy" for your family and friends. ive lost a friend to suicide and i can tell you, she wasnt thinking about anyone's pain but her own.

    whether you like it or not, your burdens are never just YOUR burdens. the bonds you have with other people connect you to them, and them to you; emotionally or otherwise. whatever decisions you make in life, no matter how insignificant they may seem to you, will always affect more than just you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anger Bag! View Post
    I've really never understood that argument. Everything we do is selfish.

    My feelings are as such: Suicide in general is a bit meaningless. It isn't wrong, since after all, you alone are master of your own body. But it is still meaningless, since you only get to live once, and you will die naturally in the future. There's no point in pushing it.

    BUT! Suicide can be merited. If you are afflicted by some horrible terminal illness and your remaining days will including agonizing pain, then go ahead: There's no meaning in clinging to such an existence.
    Everything we do is selfish. But suicide is something far worse then that. You're basically telling the people who cared about. Who are worried you, who you haven't talked to feel guilty and feel terrible.You're basically saying...f-you...you can't help me. You leave people who want to understand and want help you. You only wallow in your self pity when you try and or even commit suicide. Most people who commit suicide don't even talk to people around them and then they go off and hack themselves. No, you don't do that.

    But for medical reasons I could see that. If you are going to die by a disease, but it will take another year. If the pain is so much and you're suffering sometimes that's the best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polaris1 View Post
    this statement in itself is a manifestation of the selfishness mentioned. your right about not living for anyone else, but by taking "the easy way out" it will burden the people that care about you. so for you it may be "easy" but i guarantee it wont be "easy" for your family and friends. ive lost a friend to suicide and i can tell you, she wasnt thinking about anyone's pain but her own.

    whether you like it or not, your burdens are never just YOUR burdens. the bonds you have with other people connect you to them, and them to you; emotionally or otherwise. whatever decisions you make in life, no matter how insignificant they may seem to you, will always affect more than just you.
    What I mean is this: If your typically living your life because of other people, with no other purpose just because you're afraid of hurting them, then that is an empty existence all on its own.

    I never said suicide is a good thing. I meant to say that for you to continue living, you have to muster up strength to find reasons on your own, not because of other people's reasons. A person has to be aware of reasons why he wants to live, apart of being scared he'll hurt the people he'll leave behind.. Cos in the point of view of a a suicidal, you can't ask him to live for you just because you'll be devastated if he doesn't. You're not helping him that way... What will drive him is GUILT... not hope.

    Most people here are approaching it from a point of view where you're the "other" people affected by suicide. I'm approaching it in a point of view of a suicidal person. Intra-personal, somehow... It's just cos most people here are judging suicidals, flat-out saying they're selfish and cowardly for thinking about it. I wonder if they have ever felt that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_say_sabotage View Post
    What I mean is this: If your typically living your life because of other people, with no other purpose just because you're afraid of hurting them, then that is an empty existence all on its own.

    I never said suicide is a good thing. I meant to say that for you to continue living, you have to muster up strength to find reasons on your own, not because of other people's reasons. A person has to be aware of reasons why he wants to live, apart of being scared he'll hurt the people he'll leave behind.. Cos in the point of view of a a suicidal, you can't ask him to live for you just because you'll be devastated if he does. You're not helping him that way... What will drive him is GUILT... not hope.

    Most people here are approaching it from a point of view where you're the "other" people affected by suicide. I'm approaching it in a point of view of a suicidal person. Intra-personal, somehow... It's just cos most people here are judging suicidals, flat-out saying they're selfish and cowardly for thinking about it. I wonder if they have ever felt that way?
    I agree you have to muster up the strength to live. And suicide is heavy. It effects external factors family, friends, teachers, etc. It effects internally as well. I have been through a bout of suicide once when I was a kid. I was bullied and I just couldn't take the stress. If if I didn't exist then no one would have a problem. But I found my confidence through the people who cared about me. How people deal with suicide is different from another. But I still think it's selfish not only on your family part, but you're part too. You'll be known as the person who decided to hide all your secrets from everyone and then kill yourself. You have to gain strength from not just yourself, but people around you.
    If you are in emotionally distress you should tell someone and you should talk to someone. You can't hide how you feel about something. Or even better yet write a story. Find some to input these dark memories somewhere. Don't act upon them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by International 4-8818 View Post
    Eris, the reason why it is selfish is because the person committing suicide does not understand the fact that they are creating hell for everyone else they know.
    Quite the contrary; those with suicidal ideation are usually well aware of the pain committing suicide would cause others. It's usually a measure of how much they care about this versus how much anguish they feel they are in. Allow me to turn the tables a moment: if someone is in a serious depression, and they truly can see no way out, you would ask them to live and to continue suffering... so as not to hurt you? To prevent you from feeling pain, perhaps the same pain they are already in? That's quite selfish itself, is it not? Should someone always determine the course of their life by what others feel? i_say_sabotage is dead on; that's not helping someone, that's guilting them.

    Where does one draw the line about what others can do based on how they feel? Do we ask our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, kids and grandkids, and even our friends not to fight in wars? Not to patrol our streets? Not to take risks for their jobs? All of these things cause stress for those around them, and these sorts of jobs all entail the greater risk of death (not so different than what's being discussed here).

    Or, perhaps the individual with suicidal ideation is weighing more heavily the feelings of those around them. Maybe they view themselves as a burden, as so many disabled and elderly persons do. Maybe they feel that the pain of grief is preferable to the pain of watching a loved one continue to suffer with no apparent way out (remember, suicidal ideation means essential loss of hope, so while you might see hope, they won't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rem Nightfall View Post
    I agree you have to muster up the strength to live. And suicide is heavy. It effects external factors family, friends, teachers, etc. It effects internally as well. I have been through a bout of suicide once when I was a kid. I was bullied and I just couldn't take the stress. If if I didn't exist then no one would have a problem. But I found my confidence through the people who cared about me. How people deal with suicide is different from another. But I still think it's selfish not only on your family part, but you're part too. You'll be known as the person who decided to hide all your secrets from everyone and then kill yourself. You have to gain strength from not just yourself, but people around you.
    If you are in emotionally distress you should tell someone and you should talk to someone. You can't hide how you feel about something. Or even better yet write a story. Find some to input these dark memories somewhere. Don't act upon them.
    Point taken Rem! ^_^ I'd have to admit the selfishness of suicide... After all, suicidals only focus on themselves and their pain... It might be their fault for not allowing themselves to see reasons to live.

    I wonder why I thought of it as un-selfish... Ah, I remember! It's because it's normal for humans to act selfish at times... And as much as I try, I really really really can't say that a suicidal person is selfish.... I really can't. Cos I'm not that person... I can judge him all I want but his life is different from mine, his pain is different from mine. And I can think hate him for ending his life and not thinking of other people, but.... I just can't. I cannot grasp the whle concept of what he was feeling cos I'm not him/her.

    I will choose to fight to live... but this other person didn't. I thought of ways, of reasons... I wanted to live.. Why didnt he? I have no idea. It hurts... but should I really label him as selfish, when after all, I have no idea what he/she went through? Who am I to judge him? How can I justify my strength against his weakness?

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    There are selfish reasons one can use to commit suicide, but the act of suicide has mant reasons that would bring a person to this point.

    Suicide out of failure, yeah very selfish. Not thinking much about the people left behind.

    Suicide out of depression or mental anguish I wouldn't rule as being selfish, just these types of people need serious help.

    If the person leaves a note, it's suicide to spite the people that were around them. This is not selfish but plain stupid. Bigger lol's on the dead person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotten Show View Post

    Good God, I'm forever grateful that we have men and women in the world who can do what they do despite the worry of others. Our soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen would be awful damn useless if they never fought for fear that their deaths would cause pain to others.

    suicide and what youve explained above are apples and oranges. although a soldier's death would affect their friends and families in a negative way, it would be for a greater cause, meaning their death wouldnt be in vain. soldiers do what they do beacause they DO care about others, mainly their country and all those who reside within it. suicide, however, serves no greater good.

    as spock said in star trek II; "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

    ...suicide is the exact opposite of this ideal.
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    I expanded it a bit; reread the revised post.


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    I don't think it's the most selfish thing anyone can do. We are selfish beings, so it's just one of the selfish things we can do.

    If you're a crappy parent who doesn't care about your children, killing yourself instead of taking "care" of them is probably not a selfish thing to do because your kids can probably have a better life elsewhere with someone else. Not that i'd ever recommend or condone that, but it happens.

    Also, people who contemplate committing suicide are usually thinking of themselves (and sometimes of the people they may care about.) So, although the act is regarded as selfish, it may not always be. It's a choice. Not always a smart one, though, depending on the circumstance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Aker View Post
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    if u all say only cowards suicide ..... then how do they get the will and courage to do so ?

    i mean ... whY??? life is so hard for u that u have to kill urself.

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    For the sake of this argument let us assume I am talking about a depressed/lonely person.

    If suicide is so selfish and would hurt the people around said suicidal person, why are these people not helping? You're calling a person selfish for being depressed and wanting to kill themselves, yet you never did anything to help this person and only say that you wanted to help them... you wanted to help them but they never asked for help. And now they are dead, how dare they?! Let's keep blaming this person because obviously we can't blame ourselves for anything.

    You asked this person if everything was alright but they didn't want to talk about it so you dropped the subject. So you never bothered to help them but oh yeah, you wanted to help. Of course, you didn't help them out of your own fear. Why couldn't you have dropped the subject and perhaps taken them out somewhere, maybe go for a walk? Or force them to seek the help that they need. But you didn't, because you were scared or maybe just too busy.

    If this person felt some sort of friendship from anyone, or that at least someone really, truly, cared about them do you honestly think they would have killed themselves? Most likely not.

    I'm failing to see who the selfish one is here. You, the one who wanted to help them but failed to do so out of your own fears (and are now cursing this poor soul for killing themselves and making POOR LITTLE YOU sad), or the person who committed suicide out of their own fears and depression, with no one actually extending a hand and truly helping.

    Curse them for not thinking about YOUR feelings!

    In essence, you never owed them anything but in return they never owed you anything either. You never had to help this person out, but as it goes, they never owed you their life.

    In my opinion, both parties are selfish in the same way that both parties are not selfish. Our own personal needs will always be above the needs of others. This person obviously needed your support and you never gave it to them. If you had given them a sufficient amount of support I am relatively sure they would think twice about suicide, unless the person is a complete idiot or a mental case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High Risk View Post
    For the sake of this argument let us assume I am talking about a depressed/lonely person.

    If suicide is so selfish and would hurt the people around said suicidal person, why are these people not helping? You're calling a person selfish for being depressed and wanting to kill themselves, yet you never did anything to help this person and only say that you wanted to help them... you wanted to help them but they never asked for help. And now they are dead, how dare they?! Let's keep blaming this person because obviously we can't blame ourselves for anything.

    You asked this person if everything was alright but they didn't want to talk about it so you dropped the subject. So you never bothered to help them but oh yeah, you wanted to help. Of course, you didn't help them out of your own fear. Why couldn't you have dropped the subject and perhaps taken them out somewhere, maybe go for a walk? Or force them to seek the help that they need. But you didn't, because you were scared or maybe just too busy.

    If this person felt some sort of friendship from anyone, or that at least someone really, truly, cared about them do you honestly think they would have killed themselves? Most likely not.

    I'm failing to see who the selfish one is here. You, the one who wanted to help them but failed to do so out of your own fears (and are now cursing this poor soul for killing themselves and making POOR LITTLE YOU sad), or the person who committed suicide out of their own fears and depression, with no one actually extending a hand and truly helping.

    Curse them for not thinking about YOUR feelings!

    In essence, you never owed them anything but in return they never owed you anything either. You never had to help this person out, but as it goes, they never owed you their life.

    In my opinion, both parties are selfish in the same way that both parties are not selfish. Our own personal needs will always be above the needs of others. This person obviously needed your support and you never gave it to them. If you had given them a sufficient amount of support I am relatively sure they would think twice about suicide, unless the person is a complete idiot or a mental case.

    I understand where you're getting at this, but sometimes that isn't true. I tried to help a friend who committed suicide...and he's dead now. I always asked him what was wrong, he tried to make me ignore it. I continued to ask him until he stopped talking to me, I always told him I was here to listen and wouldn't judge. And for the most part I don't judge. I just think if you aren't going to willingly except someone's help and someone's wanting to listen. Then you are far more selfish then the person who couldn't help. In most cases they push you away so much that you have no other choice, but to drop it. You tell your family, or someone that you think they are going to commit suicide and they push you much farther away because of that act of getting help. And then in most cases they go through with it and either survive or die.

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    suicide is useless
    what do you gain from killing yourself?
    oh yay i ended my life oh wait, i cant say yay cause im dead in fact i cant be think ing right now
    suicide should be banned

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