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    I think it's unkind how people hate Shinji and call him a wuss. I mean, the poor guy has lots of issues. For one his dad abandoned him as a child. He's afraid of getting close to others for fear that he'll end up hurt even more, probably because his own father left him. The list goes on. I personally really sympathize for poor Shinji. Of course that may be because I too have monumental issues including inner turmoil, paranoia, a childhood of being picked on and bullied, many mental disorders, constant psychological warfare, low self-esteem, over-emotional sensitivity, I could go on for hours about my personal despair. I sympathize with him because I am like him. Believe me it's not fun to go through life scarred and tormented. In fact it can be down right scary and depressing almost to the point of possible suicide or wishing you never existed. I think it's cruel that people look at Shinji with annoyance and call him a wimp. In fact it makes them almost as bad as a bully. People have no idea what it's like for people like him. It can be a life of personal hell. So what are people thinking when they put down such a person. I don't understand how some people can be so cruel to others. Come on, aren't there other people out there who sympathize with him like I do.

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    I'm sorry but I can't feel sorry for Shinji. His constant whining got on my nearves while watching the anime. I mean we all have problems and breaking down once in a while is ok, but every episode. I guess thats why I like Asuska more. I mean she was more of man than Shinji was.

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    its the end of the world as we know it, there are bigger problems than him being liked.

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    People hate him becuase sometime he reminds people of themselves and they refuse to admit it. Me I've can relate sometimes such as being forced to grow up to fast and this was when I was only 14 but as I got older I didnt really care for what other think anymore and looking back, even I hate the young me for being so pathetic, so its easy to see why many people hate him, that or he seems to become more of wimp after he does something cool every now and then but moslty wimpy.

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    I would say to some people, try the manga Angelic Days. Shinji is actually kinda likable in it.
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    I dunno... I was really young when I watched the anime and he still struck me as the "whiny main character"...

    [EDIT]: So you say he has issues... ALL main characters have issues... But it's how they deal with these issues that make us like them or hate them. I guess he's just not made to be that likeable.
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    Knowing why a person being a whiny little b-och doesn't change the fact that they're still damn annoying.

    If he started out as one, went though a Heroic BSOD early in the series, and then started to get is act together then I probably would have actually liked the guy.Annoyingly, that never happens. He just keeps on complain with that high pitched I-got-no-balls voice of his line after line after line.

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    Alot of people have pain in there lives, but they learn to deal with it as the grow up, some in positive ways and others in negative, but shinji let people get hurt because he was to afraid to do anything alot of lives could have been saved if he just manned up a little

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutisticOtakuGirl View Post
    I think it's unkind how people hate Shinji and call him a wuss. I mean, the poor guy has lots of issues. For one his dad abandoned him as a child. He's afraid of getting close to others for fear that he'll end up hurt even more, probably because his own father left him. The list goes on. I personally really sympathize for poor Shinji. Of course that may be because I too have monumental issues including inner turmoil, paranoia, a childhood of being picked on and bullied, many mental disorders, constant psychological warfare, low self-esteem, over-emotional sensitivity, I could go on for hours about my personal despair. I sympathize with him because I am like him. Believe me it's not fun to go through life scarred and tormented. In fact it can be down right scary and depressing almost to the point of possible suicide or wishing you never existed. I think it's cruel that people look at Shinji with annoyance and call him a wimp. In fact it makes them almost as bad as a bully. People have no idea what it's like for people like him. It can be a life of personal hell. So what are people thinking when they put down such a person. I don't understand how some people can be so cruel to others. Come on, aren't there other people out there who sympathize with him like I do.
    Sympathizing with the character of Shinji Ikari doesn't change the irrefutable truth that, in the original Evangelion, he pretty much went on a downwards spiral from a young boy with some confidence issues to a failure of what most identify with as the 'hero' figure in anime. I mean, even come the end of the series with "End of Evangelion," all he did was sit in the cockpit of EVA 01 and pretty much go into mental shock after mental shock while the rest of our cast did all the fighting.

    This isn't to say that Shinji doesn't have his appeal from time to time. As a matter of fact, I was actually growing to like him come the end of the actual anime series. At least then he was actually beginning to realize the worth of his own existence for the pure simple sake of being alive rather than being a tool for his father as an EVA pilot. However, the movie, quite plainly and simply, shattered that small bit of hope that I had for Shinji. Come the end, I lost all expectation for the small boy upon whose shoulders the fate of the world would manage to overcome at least a significant portion of his own weakness and turn into a somewhat respectable man.
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    I guess people hate him because he thought he was the only one with problems. He was just going through things that every teenager his age goes through.
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    I think all the people blaming Shinji and going "we all have problems" are complete imbeciles.

    Try having the weight of saving of all of existence put on your shoulders as a tween, forced to fight to the death by your abusive father with an equally depressing childhood.

    What are your issues compared to that? The guy is essentially a child soldier going under immense amounts of psychological trauma and stress.
    And people find him whiny and cowardly? He's just a poor kid, I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did sanity-wise, it proves he's stronger than your average person if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OtakuGal View Post
    I think all the people blaming Shinji and going "we all have problems" are complete imbeciles.

    Try having the weight of saving of all of existence put on your shoulders as a tween, forced to fight to the death by your abusive father with an equally depressing childhood.

    What are your issues compared to that? The guy is essentially a child soldier going under immense amounts of psychological trauma and stress.
    And people find him whiny and cowardly? He's just a poor kid, I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did sanity-wise, it proves he's stronger than your average person if you ask me.
    thats exactly it he has to save the world there is no time to feel sorry for yourself, yes I get he has pain and problems, but cry about it in your own time not when lives are at stake, and I think its an honour to be chosen to save the world.

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    I think its a failure from the part of the people that hate him, to realize the magnitude of what shinji goes through.

    To start, he's a sensitive guy. He lives in a post-apocalyptic world that is reaching another apocalypse. No one loves him, and that is a fact. Katsuragi is the only person that gets somewhat close to him, and she is herself pretty mentally unreliable as a grown up.

    His job is to rip angels appart, angels who shed a liquid that looksvery much like blood. going through the events of the evas is enough to make anyone go insane. Some people would go into denial, some would force themselves to enjoy it, others would quit, etc.

    Even Asuka, who is stronger as a person than shinji becomes insane. But she is so selfish and arrogant that she is able to become psychotic instead of melancholic. We love her all the same.

    People hate Shinji because they think that his emotions are solely based on him being forced to do something, and him not being loved. But the fact of the matter is that his emotions are magnified times 100 by a circumstance that none of us could ever even reach. He's an annoying person, but I understand why he becomes like that. He's not emo, his feelings are very justified.

    If his feelings were the same in modern times, then yes.. he would be an extremely insufferable and self-centered person. But due to the circumstances, it's a whole different stories. And if you say that you could handle his life better, then you are just too childish. There is no way of knowing how you will react to such a far-fetched scenario. This is for the same reason it's impossible for humans to understand a 4th dimension, or for blind people to understand colors. The only thing we can do is put what we DO understand, and manipulate that to help us understand what is impossible otherwise. In the case of evangelion, all we can do is get human feelings of everyday life and magnify them to what we think the magnitude of said emotions would be in those scenarios. It's not something everyone can do effectively.

    And this is something the creators wanted the viewer to understand. All the people in evangelion go insane, it's something that is inevitable. And each character develops different coping mechanisms and personalities according to who they are... Teenagers are specially affected. Asuka and Shinji are both insane... they had the short end of the straw.
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    Maybe because he's a whiny wuss who masturbates to comatose redheads?

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    Yeah, but you put him at the same level as any other kid. And it is clear that that's not the case here. I explained extensively why on my other post.

    About the masturbation thing... I probably would never do that, but there's no way in hell you wouldn't get extremely turned on. She is supposed to be an extremely hot chick. And she was not dead.. she was sleeping, so it's not messed up in any way, it's normal (Getting turned on that is). Masturbating is a little less normal, but we all make mistakes. Much more so when we are kids.

    Being concise is good, but unless you are an excellent writer, it makes your response look half-assed. No one wants answers that had 2 seconds of thought into it, unless it's a youtube comment.

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    I don't post for the sake of others, so why would I care about what everyone wants? If you wish for me to elaborate, just ask. That tends to be how conversation works, and we are on a discussion board. Besides.. unless they sound like an illiterate idiot, it would be decidedly arrogant to dismiss someone because their post wasn't as detailed as yours was. It isn't as if I had said "HUR HUR! CUSE HE'S GAY!".

    I also disagree to a degree with your opinion on the masturbation scene. Getting turned on is one thing, but if your friend is in the hospital.. you close their shirt if it falls open, you don't "wank like the wind". That shows very little character.
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    I disagree with your attitude towards answering questions. But I agree with the fact that I was wrong to expect a more detailed answer, since you weren't answering directly to me. But since my answer refutes your point unless you provide an argument to support the contrary... it feels like a pointless comment. And if you don't care about providing pointless comments, then that's fine. I just like to be as respectable as possible, even if it is in a virtual environment. But that's just me.

    Regardless, I don't see how anyone could put shinji at the same level as a normal kid. If you don't see ravaging angels, and living in a post-apocalyptic world who's fate is in his hands; as being extremely harsh and unthinkable circumstances.. then there's no point in arguing because it means you need some growing up to do before you can come to a sensitive point of view.

    On the other hand.. if you do understand, then I would like to hear how you see him as what you described previously. Tell me how a "normal" person would react.

    Looking at personal observation on other people, I've come to the conclusion that even though a lot of people talk big, they actually have no idea how they would really react. And I believe (as do the creators of Evangelion), that it would be very similar (to a bigger or lesser degree) to either Shinji or Asuka unless they are chemically imbalanced. Such conditions would make F^*& you up, and as I said before.. your way of coping with it would be defined based on who you are.. but the person you'd become would not be one that you would consider "normal". And I wouldn't be surprised if you turned up very similar to Shinji, without the masturbation maybe.

    And I don't exactly see where we disagree on the masturbation thing. We disagree overall because you believe it's shinji's fault real life people hate him... I believe it's in part his character, but mostly his circumstances.. and anyone would be hated if they were in his shoes. I also believe it's somewhat unfair of people to hate him, since they fail to put him under the right lens.
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    I understand your points, and agree with you assessment to a degree... but my answer was to the title question. "Why do people hate Shinji so much?". I've never really had a problem with him, although I do think he's a bit of a wuss in general. People are a sum of their parts.. Our genetics, environment, experiences.. they all go together to make us who we are, and that's where Shinji ended up based on his particular "brew". It's very easy for someone to say that they'd man it up a bit more if they were in his shoes, and quite a few of them would just be beating their chests. I just personally feel that regardless of how he got there, and where he was.. He's a bit weak. I don't hate him, but there are other characters I prefer. I will admit that he is perfect for his role in the story, and that the show would be completely different if the character was different, or absent altogether.
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    I really dont feel bad for him, yet I don't hate him. I think if he would of gotten a few more hugs or at less a girlfriend he would of been fine. Yet that wasn't the case.

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    Fair enough... good to see a reasonable person :P I thought i was going to have to keep arguing. I do agree that he is sensitive, and he does annoy me. But I also don't like people talking bullcrap, thinking that they would be totally fine in his situation. And as if he has no reason to act the way he does.

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    Well... I feel bad for everyone in the evangelion world.. and specially for the pilots. Hence, I feel bad for Shinji. Now, do I feel worse for him than Asuka... no, I don't feel worse just because he is more sensitive. But I also think that if you don't feel bad for them, then you don't really understand the situation very well. Mind you though, I'm not saying you should feel sad literally or depressed, since it's an anime. But you should at least think: "that position they are in really sucks, no wonder they are all so screwed up :/."

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    Although I think I might do a bit better in his position. Only because if I were allowed to pilot an EVA.... mmmm.

    I also hate it when people knock the ending of the TV series. I thought it was absolutely fantastic.

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    I think I would have to, but I still believe it would have screwed with my head. It would be a traumatic experience for anyone who isn't psychotic.

    I liked the ending, although I wish they would have done the movie ending in the anime. I thought it was better, as it explored their psychis. And I don't like having different endings in stories. Like in clannad.. the alternate stories, I don't really like them too much. Which also scares me about the Rebuild of evangelion. Although the animation in those makes up for anything else... That thing was a treat to watch, it was insane.

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