Gay Marriage Legalized in Iowa

[Capernicus]

It makes a huge difference in terms of legal benefits whether you are legitimately married or not. For example, many companies offer tax benefits to the spouse of legitimately married couples, married couples have a wider range of insurance plans to choose from, and enjoy more freedom in terms of inheritance rights or visiting rights to hospitals in case a partner becomes seriously ill. It's just not a matter of feeling good about yourself.

Very well said, thank you.

Xero nailed it right on the head. I brought this up partly because it surprised me so very much that Iowa (of all places! no offense >...>) legalized it. And, as the article says, Cali's officials will be looking at other states' rulings on the matter come June (I think it's June anyway...) when the state gets to decide whether to declare Prop 8 illegitamite.

Here's hoping!

[Ollie]

Wow.
Never expected THAT to happen.

It's a little unnerving how it has to go slowly, state by state, rather than federal. A marriage shouldn't be null if you go on vacation to the next state over just because it isn't legal there. *sigh*

Wouldn't you want to keep your relationship to be spontaneous?

Soooo you oppose marriage altogether, then?

[suzumi]

Woot!! Go Iowa!! Show those other states!!

[Gjallarhorn]

Wow.
Never expected THAT to happen.

It's a little unnerving how it has to go slowly, state by state, rather than federal. A marriage shouldn't be null if you go on vacation to the next state over just because it isn't legal there. *sigh*

Soooo you oppose marriage altogether, then?

Well look at every other major civil rights issue we had.

Slavery was abolished state-by-state...until...well...the Civil War.
Women could originally vote out west, and that movement spread east, and there was the whole sufferage thing.
I'm not too sure about interracial marriage, but I believe it started in the northeast and spread from there.

While we'd all agree today that those are inalienable rights, people didn't see it that way at the time. Gay marriage will end up being the same. 100 years from now people will be saying our current government and society's position on the issue was immoral.

[Capernicus]

Gay marriage will end up being the same. 100 years from now people will be saying our current government and society's position on the issue was immoral.

I sure hope so. Do you think we'll get reparations too?

[Memento Mori]

It's funny how the first three states, Vermont, Massachusetts, and Conneticut, all had some of the highest average IQs in the United States.

If Iowa's is fairly high, that would be the lulz.

Oh, it doesn't mean anything. It just means they're smart.

[Prince Sapphire]

I do believe they will... Even if it takes a long time.

I know my state and all of it's close-mindedness will be one of the last.

And yes, I am ashamed to be a part of such a state.

Ugh, you and me. In Oklahoma's favor though, Oklahoma City and Tulsa are kind of like islands in an oasis so it's not nearly so bad in these cities.

[Diocletian]

Soooo you oppose marriage altogether, then?

It's people's choice to get married, not mine. If I opposed it you'd see me in front of the capital shouting "Stop ruining your relationships because you'll end up divorced in 2 years once you realized you made a mistake, you dopes!".

Otherwise if it works out, Godspeed You Black Emperor.

[Rem Nightfall]

It's people's choice to get married, not mine. If I opposed it you'd see me in front of the capital shouting "Stop ruining your relationships because you'll end up divorced in 2 years once you realized you made a mistake, you dopes!".

Well actually it doesn't quite work that way. Most marriages that end in that way are the kind of people I know who think they are in love and who think they can get married. Most of the time they are also people who do not want to commit to a relationship either, then they have kids, and then they are stuck.

[Archaic Devices]

But Iowa isn't as near as cool as Massachusetts, Xero.

I beg to differ! Iowa is plenty cool as it is my home state >:{ I feel that this a great step for Iowa. Although the mean people here are all "No we never wanted this! Ban it! Ban it!" -_- I'm glad though =)

[Ayame_Sohma]

I know what im going to say is going to upset a lot of people on here.but its what i believe in. i believe gay marriage is wrong and i don't believe they should be allowed to get married.

And Go Miss California for standing up for what you believe in.

[Diocletian]

I know what im going to say is going to upset a lot of people on here.but its what i believe in. i believe gay marriage is wrong and i don't believe they should be allowed to get married.

And Go Miss California for standing up for what you believe in.

You believe what you believe, I suppose. As long as you don't make a group that kills homosexuals late at night with razorblades, or you go around shouting slurs at homosexuals, I suppose it is acceptable.

I'm sure someone will flame you Ayame_Sohma. Good luck?

On a sidenote, the reason that I'm still disturbed my homosexuality (not neccessarily girl on girl, heh) is because of were I was brought up. I've never seen a guyxguy (with the exception of the two gentlemen having borderline sex while crossing through a gay pride parade) or girlxgirl relation. At this point I've become open minded to anyone marrying anyone or anything. Eiffel Tower, go right ahead!

[Señor Nobody]

I know what im going to say is going to upset a lot of people on here.but its what i believe in. i believe gay marriage is wrong and i don't believe they should be allowed to get married.

And Go Miss California for standing up for what you believe in.

Meh, you believe what you believe. I may not agree, but I'll respect your opinion enough not to flame you.

Good luck.

[Ayame_Sohma]

You believe what you believe, I suppose. As long as you don't make a group that kills homosexuals late at night with razorblades, or you go around shouting slurs at homosexuals, I suppose it is acceptable.
I'm sure someone will flame you Ayame_Sohma. Good luck?

Just to make it clear to people, i don't wanna to go around killing them or anything like that.

I just believe what they are doing is wrong and i don't wanna to see it,hear about it or anything like that. and nothing they can do/say that will change my mind.

Yeah i know someone will flame me about this but you know what its truly what i believe in.

[Rem Nightfall]

I know what im going to say is going to upset a lot of people on here.but its what i believe in. i believe gay marriage is wrong and i don't believe they should be allowed to get married.

And Go Miss California for standing up for what you believe in.

So, you want them to not feel the happiness everyone else gets to feel. You want to take from the pursuit of happiness. I'll go with Itachi, believe what you want to believe. Before this turns into an ugly debate.

[Ayame_Sohma]

So, you want them to not feel the happiness everyone else gets to feel. You want to take from the pursuit of happiness. I'll go with Itachi, believe what you want to believe. Before this turns into an ugly debate.

I didn't say that i didn't want them to be happy. You can be with someone and not get married.

I just don't think its right And i don't want this to turn into an ugly debate but i do have to the right to believe in what i believe in.

[Heinekenrana]

You do, indeed. As it is, I have a lot of gay friends who have wanted to get married for a long time because they believe that not only the legal benefits of marriage should be allowed to them, but because since society puts a high premium on marriage being the ultimate expression of love and devotion, they feel it's fair for them to be able to do the same without prejudice. I support them in that.

[Capernicus]

I didn't say that i didn't want them to be happy. You can be with someone and not get married.

I just don't think its right And i don't want this to turn into an ugly debate but i do have to the right to believe in what i believe in.

People are only going to flame you if you behave like this in a thread.

[Miss Moonlight]

I didn't say that i didn't want them to be happy. You can be with someone and not get married.

I just don't think its right And i don't want this to turn into an ugly debate but i do have to the right to believe in what i believe in.

Well, it isn't wrong to simply believe it's wrong. You may have your own reasons for believing that, whatever they may be, but as long as you're not hateful or intolerant, then that's just your opinion and it's fine to believe that.

[Ayame_Sohma]

I thought this was America where people have the right to speak their opinions if anybody is wrong its the people that are so narrow minded that don't respect other peoples opinions.

[Diocletian]

Actually this is AF (Anime Forum, not American forum). You can be as intolerant as you want as long as it doesn't break the rules.

[Ayame_Sohma]

Actually this is AF (Anime Forum, not American forum). You can be as intolerant as you want as long as it doesn't break the rules.

So if i don't believe in what you believe that makes me intolerant?

[Datenshi]

I thought this was America where people have the right to speak their opinions if anybody is wrong its the people that are so narrow minded that don't respect other peoples opinions.

Relax. Yes, you have a right to your opinion, and if you'll notice, nobody in this thread has yet to state otherwise.

[Eris]

If this was slashdot, I'd tag it suddenoutbreakofcommonsense.

[Señor Nobody]

*Sigh*

You are intolerant because you think homosexuals don't deserve the right to marry one another. You won't tolerate the idea of them being married.

Can we stop this now before this explodes into a giant flame war? She/he is entitled to his/her opinion.

T . T