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    Someone explain to me how uploading RB/GH videos to Youtube is copyright infringement, because I honestly don't see how it is. =/

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    Are you showing copyrighted games featuring copyrighted characters playing copyrighted music with copyrighted instruments? Then what's there left to grasp? In 'Mercia, it's considered copyright infringement, although in some countries you may get away with it if you call it fair use.
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    Well, they still let you put up DDR videos on there. And if that's the case, shouldn't they take all games off Youtube too? They're copyrighted also...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Ellipsis View Post
    Well, they still let you put up DDR videos on there. And if that's the case, shouldn't they take all games off Youtube too? They're copyrighted also...
    Actually, they should.

    And the anime.

    And the AMVs.

    And anything else that isn't user-created content.
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    Well, one guy named Craigss, his channel was taken down because of copyright reasons. To me, this seems to be the end of Youtube as we know it. With GH/RB videos disappearing, a majority of users that are heavly dependent on GH/RB videos won't use Youtube for a quiet a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke23 View Post
    And the AMVs.

    And anything else that isn't user-created content.
    AMVS are user created.
    People take their time to take clips of anime, put them music, make them kind of funny.

    That is called movie editing.
    It's what we do in hollywood when the film is to long and we just have to cram everything in into a few hours.



    Youtube has turned to crap now that they have issues this whole entire copyright crud.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenBabyDoll View Post
    AMVS are user created.
    People take their time to take clips of anime, put them music, make them kind of funny.

    It's still copyright. They didn't actually draw out the show featured, nor did they write the song they used.

    Coming from an AMV artist :[
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Coming from an AMV artist :[
    **Currently being attacked by copyright by youtube**


    Oh my gosh, me too!! D: I've had two of my best AMVs taken down, and it makes me so sad. I can't post them anywhere else either because of copyright... it seems like the effort put into the vids are useless, since no one will ever watch them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post

    It's still copyright. They didn't actually draw out the show featured, nor did they write the song they used.

    Coming from an AMV artist :[
    **Currently being attacked by copyright by youtube**

    No, but they did make it their own.
    And they used their own creativity to make a video.




    I am an AMV artist as well.
    I have made a lot of my AMVs and they are being taken down by copyright.
    I think it's bull.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenBabyDoll View Post
    AMVS are user created.
    People take their time to take clips of anime, put them music, make them kind of funny.
    Based on YouTube's policy and copyright policy, a video has to be ENTIRELY created by the user. A person made the video but they did not make the anime that was in it nor (with the exception of very few cases) did they make the song. So, an AMV technically violates couple of copyright laws:
    1. Japanese copyright laws (the anime came from Japan and is therefore protected both outside and inside Japan)
    2. American copyright laws (the United States is part of the Berne Convention [almost all countries are] and therefore most protect the copyright of all works used within their country from another country in the Berne Convertion [namely Japan])
    3. The copyright of the song used in the video (depending on whether it is a foreign or domestic song, this could break 1-3 laws on its own).

    Fair use may come into play here for the anime clips, since it was only a few minutes worth of a whole series but the entire use of a copyrighted song may not. By the way, fair use is a defence; it does not stop you from being sued.

    YouTube does not self-police. They do not watch the videos to see if they are copyrighted material and do not take them down if they do (unless the video has been flagged). A user is given quite a bit of warning before uploading a video, but other than that, a user is left with the knowledge of the laws and some common sence to figure out whether or not their video is okay to upload. However, while YouTube does not self-police, they are required by LAW to take down videos if the copyright holder has told them that a video violates their copyright.

    When it comes to the Rockband videos being taken down, that does not surprise me AT ALL. Viacom (who owns Harmonix, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon, Paramount, Dreamworks and a BUTT-LOAD of other stuff) does not play around when it comes to their copyrighted property. They are pretty much watching the site (no, I am not exagerrating when I say this) and do not play around.
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    Or how about they took down my videos because the music was copyrighted, but I made everything else.
    Like the 3D animation and everything.
    That is a little unfair, the animation was used for the music.
    Everything I make is moved by music, that is why I put songs to the animation because they fit.
    They were made when I felt the mood.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenBabyDoll View Post
    Or how about they took down my videos because the music was copyrighted, but I made everything else.
    They've taken a lot of videos down because of that. I've seen many of my favorite SSBB videos go down. =/

    Youtube's not as cool anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenBabyDoll View Post
    Or how about they took down my videos because the music was copyrighted, but I made everything else.
    Like the 3D animation and everything.
    That is a little unfair, the animation was used for the music.
    Everything I make is moved by music, that is why I put songs to the animation because they fit.
    They were made when I felt the mood.
    Usually in a case like that, the audio is muted so that no one can hear it. However, the reaction of the company depends on the company itself. Some companies such as Turner Broadcasting react only to certain videos while Viacom will take down virtually anything that uses copyrighted material without their permission. And they own a lot of properties, from everything MTV to Neopets.

    Like I said before, the folks at YouTube probably do not care about your little video with Naruto and Sasuke fighting to Down with the Sickness (there are a lot of those actually), but if a company complains that it is violating their copyright, YouTube has to take it down as required by LAW.
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    AMV's usually stay when they don't have copyrighted music or the anime is ripped from the DVD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    Usually in a case like that, the audio is muted so that no one can hear it. However, the reaction of the company depends on the company itself. Some companies such as Turner Broadcasting react only to certain videos while Viacom will take down virtually anything that uses copyrighted material without their permission. And they own a lot of properties, from everything MTV to Neopets.

    Like I said before, the folks at YouTube probably do not care about your little video with Naruto and Sasuke fighting to Down with the Sickness (there are a lot of those actually), but if a company complains that it is violating their copyright, YouTube has to take it down as required by LAW.
    I don't do Down With the Sickness by Disturbed.
    Ugh to cliche. I like to use songs no one uses before.
    A lot of them are Indian songs.


    Anyway it's ridiculous to take down everything someone creates or mutes their music just because it somehow infringes on something.

    This is going to be an extreme exaggeration, but that is like stopping music artist from taking sounds of other musical pieces.


    Everything in this world is some form of mix of another original. So to say it infringes, it breaks copyright is ridiculous.


    Art stems off of others art.
    Musics stems off of others music.
    Writings stem off of other writings.
    And in some cases paintings give off to music.
    Music gives off to writing.

    Everything in art is a remix of something.
    And AMV is the remix of anime mixed with a song.
    My 3D animation videos were stemmed off of the music I was listening to at the time.
    My 3D images stemmed off of the music I was listening to at the time.


    Art is universal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaya View Post
    @Blue Stone: Tried it. And failed. T^T
    You couldn't click on a link. Well.....that is new....


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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenBabyDoll View Post
    You couldn't click on a link. Well.....that is new....
    Whaaat?
    I mean I tried to upload it and it got taken down by copyright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaya View Post
    Whaaat?
    I mean I tried to upload it and it got taken down by copyright.
    Oh....lol!
    And I wasn't say anything to be like sarcastic or anything.

    I am tired of youtube right now.
    They make me hate them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenBabyDoll View Post
    I don't do Down With the Sickness by Disturbed.
    Ugh to cliche. I like to use songs no one uses before.
    A lot of them are Indian songs.


    Anyway it's ridiculous to take down everything someone creates or mutes their music just because it somehow infringes on something.

    This is going to be an extreme exaggeration, but that is like stopping music artist from taking sounds of other musical pieces.


    Everything in this world is some form of mix of another original. So to say it infringes, it breaks copyright is ridiculous.


    Art stems off of others art.
    Musics stems off of others music.
    Writings stem off of other writings.
    And in some cases paintings give off to music.
    Music gives off to writing.

    Everything in art is a remix of something.
    And AMV is the remix of anime mixed with a song.
    My 3D animation videos were stemmed off of the music I was listening to at the time.
    My 3D images stemmed off of the music I was listening to at the time.


    Art is universal.
    You have a problem with it? Convince your senator to widen the legal definition of Fair Use. Getting angry with YouTube is useless, because they're just the middleman.

    Also, your example is faulty since Bach (although not necessarily every recording of Bach, since the artist plying Bach still has rights to their recording) has long since become Public Domain. If you want to sample someone that isn't Public Domain, you are either going to have to try to get away with it with out anyone finding out or obtain rights like anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    You have a problem with it? Convince your senator to widen the legal definition of Fair Use. Getting angry with YouTube is useless, because they're just the middleman.

    Also, your example is faulty since Bach (although not necessarily every recording of Bach, since the artist plying Bach still has rights to their recording) has long since become Public Domain. If you want to sample someone, you are either going to have to try to get away with it with out anyone finding out or obtain rights like anyone else.
    Well my words were saying to everything...not just to Youtube.
    And I said that it was an extreme form of exaggeration and that was just an example to make my point.
    Every piece of art is a remix of something else.

    A lot of the Rap songs and RNB and Hip Hop you know where they get their bases and their beats.
    From African tribal music [I've listened to enough to know].
    I don't think they go to African tribes and say, "Hey can I use your African ritual beat in my song"
    No.
    So why do I have to go over and say, "Rob Zombie your song inspired can I use it"
    [Rob Zombie is another example...okay]


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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenBabyDoll View Post
    Well my words were saying to everything...not just to Youtube.
    And I said that it was an extreme form of exaggeration and that was just an example to make my point.
    Every piece of art is a remix of something else.

    A lot of the Rap songs and RNB and Hip Hop you know where they get their bases and their beats.
    From African tribal music [I've listened to enough to know].
    I don't think they go to African tribes and say, "Hey can I use your African ritual beat in my song"
    No.
    So why do I have to go over and say, "Rob Zombie your song inspired can I use it"
    [Rob Zombie is another example...okay]
    That's because Africa it's just way too dangerous.

    What's the point of asking when they are gonna end up dead?

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