AnimeGalleries [dot] NetAnimeWallpapers [dot] ComAnimeLyrics [dot] ComAnimePedia [dot] ComAnimeGlobe [dot] Com

User Tag List

Closed Thread
Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast
Results 51 to 75 of 105

Thread: Religion's role

  1. #51
    Senior Member OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha's Avatar
    Gil
    3,440.00
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    05-24-2009 07:20 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Age
    28
    Threads
    8
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    162

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    Uh, absurdism doesn't say anything about the existence or the non-existence of a god. It somewhat clashes with abrahamic theism, but doesn't exclude the possibility of gods that aren't "architects of fate", like the bulk of those in Greek mythology.
    Ah, it's not my personal philosophy. I just thought you'd like it.

  2. #52
    4: [Classified brah] Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris's Avatar
    Gil
    101,831.15
    Gender
    Gifts Tuxedo Mask Rose Mario Question Block Pen
    Mentioned
    298 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    01-23-2015 04:32 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Tau Ceti V
    Age
    28
    Threads
    617
    Posts
    19,690
    Blog Entries
    620
    Rep Power
    14747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by OmegaAlpha View Post
    Ah, it's not my personal philosophy. I just thought you'd like it.
    Ah, but Absurdism is part of my philosophies. I also adhere to some of the ideas of stoicism (mostly those about overcoming emotion and thinking with a clear and logical mind.)



    Hey look, Japan made a movie about me!

  3. #53
    Senior Member OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha's Avatar
    Gil
    3,440.00
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    05-24-2009 07:20 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Age
    28
    Threads
    8
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    162

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    Ah, but Absurdism is part of my philosophies. I also adhere to some of the ideas of stoicism (mostly those about overcoming emotion and thinking with a clear and logical mind.)
    I draw mainly from Zen.
    Politically I lean Libertarian on social issues.

  4. #54
    4: [Classified brah] Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris's Avatar
    Gil
    101,831.15
    Gender
    Gifts Tuxedo Mask Rose Mario Question Block Pen
    Mentioned
    298 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    01-23-2015 04:32 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Tau Ceti V
    Age
    28
    Threads
    617
    Posts
    19,690
    Blog Entries
    620
    Rep Power
    14747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by OmegaAlpha View Post
    I draw mainly from Zen.
    Politically I lean Libertarian on social issues.
    Buddhism has a lot of similarities with stoicism. The conclusions are a bit different, but basic ideas are pretty much the same -- with desire being the cause of suffering and all that. It's also somewhat related to taoism, with the idea that there is a natural order that one should strive to be one with.

    What sets it apart is the explicit focus on formalized thought and logic.



    Hey look, Japan made a movie about me!

  5. #55
    Senior Member Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian's Avatar
    Gil
    5,051.85
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    03-20-2011 05:22 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Central Coast, California.
    Age
    21
    Threads
    185
    Posts
    5,807
    Blog Entries
    78
    Rep Power
    7310

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    To be fair, science can't say anything about deities existence or non-existence, since there is a complete absence of evidence in either direction. What I believe, Ignosticism (not a typo), is the philosophy that is most compatible with the scientific method, but other convictions are quite compatible as well.
    Quite the concept I must say. Can't say that I can completely understand it, but I get the big picture.

    If I had to put on a survey what I believe in, I would say Deism. I believe that the whole miracle fiasco is a lie. I am however not all read on Deism so saying that I am a Deist would make me sound retarded.

  6. #56
    Member Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai has a reputation beyond repute Ai no nai's Avatar
    Gil
    1,300.00
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    02-16-2009 12:20 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    NJ
    Age
    23
    Threads
    4
    Posts
    65
    Rep Power
    62

    Default ya

    Hey im catholic.Ya religious conflict leads to war but the morale religion teaches makes most people peaceful. I know that two people even of the same religion let alone a different one will argue on simple matters and not speak to each other because of it simply because they perceive readings in different ways. Thats why i like to follow the ethics and how to treat humanity kindly, like the golden rule. basically morale of religions and guidelines are the only thing that can really bring peace.
    This hand of mine glows with an awesome power. Its burning grip tells me to defeat you
    Now here I go. Shining Finger!!!!

  7. #57
    There's nothing new Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000's Avatar
    Gender
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    11-04-2011 12:27 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    AAAAAAAA!
    Age
    28
    Threads
    163
    Posts
    9,496
    Blog Entries
    106
    Rep Power
    5828

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Theocletian View Post
    Quite the concept I must say. Can't say that I can completely understand it, but I get the big picture.

    If I had to put on a survey what I believe in, I would say Deism. I believe that the whole miracle fiasco is a lie. I am however not all read on Deism so saying that I am a Deist would make me sound retarded.
    There's not much to say. Do you believe in a distant god that doesn't manipulate the universe? If so, congratulations you're a deist. It's a rather succinct philosophy, like atheism or agnosticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ai no nai
    Hey im catholic.Ya religious conflict leads to war but the morale religion teaches makes most people peaceful. I know that two people even of the same religion let alone a different one will argue on simple matters and not speak to each other because of it simply because they perceive readings in different ways. Thats why i like to follow the ethics and how to treat humanity kindly, like the golden rule. basically morale of religions and guidelines are the only thing that can really bring peace.
    Excuse me a second while I blow your mind...
    Last edited by Manhattan_Project_2000; 01-16-2009 at 10:28 PM.
    Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.

    The List of Hate, My self-indulgent journal-thing.
    Last Post:
    Video Vomit 05/11/11

  8. #58
    Senior Member Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase's Avatar
    Gil
    6,900.00
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    01-30-2009 11:01 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Some where over the rainbow.
    Age
    24
    Threads
    11
    Posts
    345
    Rep Power
    381

    Default

    People believe what they want. I don't think making it go away will really solve anything...?

    Sorta Kinda Off Topic:
    There are religions devoted to Star Wars and Star Trek.

    I want to join a Harry Potter cult. How fun would it be to go to church called Hogwarts. Harry will be like Jesus. And Voldemort will be Satan (who didn't see that coming?)





  9. #59
    4: [Classified brah] Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris's Avatar
    Gil
    101,831.15
    Gender
    Gifts Tuxedo Mask Rose Mario Question Block Pen
    Mentioned
    298 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    01-23-2015 04:32 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Tau Ceti V
    Age
    28
    Threads
    617
    Posts
    19,690
    Blog Entries
    620
    Rep Power
    14747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Anpan Hayase View Post
    [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]Sorta Kinda Off Topic:
    There are religions devoted to Star Wars and Star Trek.
    They are, alas, not religions. It is a prerequisite for the status "religion" to actually believe in one or several gods. I don't know what Star Trek religion you refer to, but the Star Wars "religion" does not outline any god or gods.



    Hey look, Japan made a movie about me!

  10. #60
    Senior Member Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase has a reputation beyond repute Anpan Hayase's Avatar
    Gil
    6,900.00
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    01-30-2009 11:01 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Some where over the rainbow.
    Age
    24
    Threads
    11
    Posts
    345
    Rep Power
    381

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    They are, alas, not religions. It is a prerequisite for the status "religion" to actually believe in one or several gods. I don't know what Star Trek religion you refer to, but the Star Wars "religion" does not outline any god or gods.

    Oh. Well, it was kinda just a fleeting thought that came to my mind, since I was thinking about religion. I never looked into it or anything. But thanks for clearing that up.



  11. #61
    Ellxeeva's Minion SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD has a reputation beyond repute SigmaSD's Avatar
    Gil
    87,592.99
    Gender
    My Mood
    Sleepy
    Gifts Luna Cake Lie Soras Keyblade
    Mentioned
    82 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    09-12-2014 12:59 AM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    In your dreams. =0
    Threads
    147
    Posts
    5,959
    Blog Entries
    118
    Rep Power
    6148
    Gamer IDs

    Wii Code: 1596-5790-7816-3407

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    I strongly object to this notion. Whatever part of religion that has to do with morality is entirely dogmatic, and is not a property of the theistic aspect of religion (but rather the cultural). You can just as easy construct atheistic moral systems. An example of this would be secular humanism.

    In general, I find that theistic moral systems are weak. They provide no reasoning as to why things are right and wrong, and as such can be broken by anyone who does not believe. Secular moral systems are much more resilient, since they are based on logic and reason, which is not something you can not just decide to stop believing in.
    That is actually a very fine argument, and I really like the way you refuted my argument.

    But you do mention that moralily is an aspect of cultural ideas and values. I have to disagree on this point. Most religions become the foundation of culture, so religion may play an indirect role in morality. Just take a look at Indias "Sacred Cow". Those people would rather endure hunger for long periods of time rather than kill their own cattle.
    If Minecraft had a Japanese intro.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=H5qFZjuKet4

    |Set made by Neukifly|

    Super Saiyan Dango


  12. #62
    4: [Classified brah] Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris's Avatar
    Gil
    101,831.15
    Gender
    Gifts Tuxedo Mask Rose Mario Question Block Pen
    Mentioned
    298 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    01-23-2015 04:32 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Tau Ceti V
    Age
    28
    Threads
    617
    Posts
    19,690
    Blog Entries
    620
    Rep Power
    14747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SigmaSD View Post
    But you do mention that moralily is an aspect of cultural ideas and values. I have to disagree on this point. Most religions become the foundation of culture, so religion may play an indirect role in morality. Just take a look at Indias "Sacred Cow". Those people would rather endure hunger for long periods of time rather than kill their own cattle.
    But the god-part of a religion (what makes it a religion as opposed to just a philosophy) has no connection to this process, as I can see it. Yes religions in general has a profound effect on a society, but it is not because they are religions they have such an effect, but because they are wide spread. You see the same thing with political ideologies.

    I can't find anything that would prevent a philosophy that is not theistic from accomplishing the same. If you do find such an obstacle, please do share it with me.
    Last edited by Eris; 01-17-2009 at 12:52 AM.



    Hey look, Japan made a movie about me!

  13. #63
    Senior Member OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha's Avatar
    Gil
    3,440.00
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    05-24-2009 07:20 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Age
    28
    Threads
    8
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    162

    Default

    I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.

    Name one moral value that is had by religious doctrines that could not be had by non religious people?

    Any takers?

    I think the morality that actually keeps humanity going(not killing, stealing)
    could easily be had without religion.

    If someone can name me one legit great moral or doctrine of kindness that religion holds that a non religious person could not hold I will give you a positive rep.
    Last edited by OmegaAlpha; 01-17-2009 at 01:54 AM.

  14. #64
    Senior Member Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23 has a reputation beyond repute Sanosuke23's Avatar
    Gil
    351.78
    Gender
    My Mood
    Amused
    Gifts Xmas Tree Aquarius Cancer
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    02-10-2011 02:25 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    The Netherword of the Collective Unconscious
    Age
    29
    Threads
    27
    Posts
    3,343
    Blog Entries
    112
    Rep Power
    5660
    Gamer IDs

    Steam ID: shibbidydoowop

    Default

    The more I go about reading this thread, the more I suspect OP just wanted to say "religion sux amirite?"

    It saddens me that there are so many people responding with the basic concept of "lol u r rite" instead of, you know, NOT equating faith with a fatal disease.

    Organized religion in and of itself is no more harmful or detrimental to society than a knife. The problem is when it's used to harm rather than help.
    Visit the Toy Dungeon Studios Store and buy a shirt or zipper pull, damnit!

  15. #65
    Great Witch of Britannia wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90's Avatar
    Gil
    37,489.92
    Gender
    My Mood
    Wicked
    Gifts Eva Penpen Wolf Full Moon
    Mentioned
    52 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    12-21-2014 04:53 AM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, United States
    Age
    24
    Threads
    47
    Posts
    2,029
    Rep Power
    2243
    Gamer IDs

    Gamertag: DisturbedWiccan PSN ID: Wolfdragon63 Steam ID: Wolfgirl90

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke23 View Post
    Organized religion in and of itself is no more harmful or detrimental to society than a knife. The problem is when it's used to harm rather than help.
    Ahhh....exactly. Well done. You will be rewarded with cake.

    In response to OmegaAlpha's question, I think that there are plenty of moral values that can be taught to person without religion being attached to it. You do not have to be Christian to understand that stealing something from someone is bad, because they may need that thing, that its against the law, etc.

    However, a few laws are...complex, enough that some type of spirituality would be involved in their planning. For example, taking the life of another person is against the law but why is that? For a religious person, it is because life is sacred and taking the life of another person can lead to not only punishment in the physical realm (going to jail for the rest of your life or sentenced to death) but also in the spiritual realm (going to Hell, reincarnated into something horrible/hated, etc). But why should an atheist worry about the spiritual consequences of killing someone? Sure, it is against the law, but that does not stop people from doing other things that are illegal. So why is killing someone so bad, so hated, such that it has some of the harshest punishments on a person who commits such a crime?

    *That is just a philosophical question; I am really looking for an answer.*
    This is my war face.

    This is what happens to trolls who mess with me.

  16. #66
    4: [Classified brah] Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris's Avatar
    Gil
    101,831.15
    Gender
    Gifts Tuxedo Mask Rose Mario Question Block Pen
    Mentioned
    298 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    01-23-2015 04:32 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Tau Ceti V
    Age
    28
    Threads
    617
    Posts
    19,690
    Blog Entries
    620
    Rep Power
    14747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    However, a few laws are...complex, enough that some type of spirituality would be involved in their planning. For example, taking the life of another person is against the law but why is that? For a religious person, it is because life is sacred and taking the life of another person can lead to not only punishment in the physical realm (going to jail for the rest of your life or sentenced to death) but also in the spiritual realm (going to Hell, reincarnated into something horrible/hated, etc). But why should an atheist worry about the spiritual consequences of killing someone? Sure, it is against the law, but that does not stop people from doing other things that are illegal. So why is killing someone so bad, so hated, such that it has some of the harshest punishments on a person who commits such a crime?
    On the other hand, since religion teaches us that murderers and other criminals will be punished in the afterlife by God, why should society seek to punish them in life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke23 View Post
    Organized religion in and of itself is no more harmful or detrimental to society than a knife. The problem is when it's used to harm rather than help.
    Centralized power of any sort is incredibly prone towards corruption and misuse. It attracts power grubbing sociopaths like files are attracted to excrement. Any and all organizations that follow this pattern, be they religions, corporations or unions, are inherently detrimental to society.
    Last edited by Eris; 01-17-2009 at 02:13 PM.



    Hey look, Japan made a movie about me!

  17. #67
    There's nothing new Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000 has a reputation beyond repute Manhattan_Project_2000's Avatar
    Gender
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    11-04-2011 12:27 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    AAAAAAAA!
    Age
    28
    Threads
    163
    Posts
    9,496
    Blog Entries
    106
    Rep Power
    5828

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    However, a few laws are...complex, enough that some type of spirituality would be involved in their planning. For example, taking the life of another person is against the law but why is that? For a religious person, it is because life is sacred and taking the life of another person can lead to not only punishment in the physical realm (going to jail for the rest of your life or sentenced to death) but also in the spiritual realm (going to Hell, reincarnated into something horrible/hated, etc). But why should an atheist worry about the spiritual consequences of killing someone? Sure, it is against the law, but that does not stop people from doing other things that are illegal. So why is killing someone so bad, so hated, such that it has some of the harshest punishments on a person who commits such a crime?

    *That is just a philosophical question; I am really looking for an answer.*
    Do I really have to answer that question? Because I'm not sure if I can do it without being condescending.

    Now if you mean "Why would an Atheist disapprove of killing someone," then the answer is enlightened self-interest and/or genuine sentiment. It does not benefit anyone to live a a society where vendetta killings are going on left and right, because society would quickly break down. I think you're confusing Atheism with Nihilism. The ethical code the vast majority of atheists follow is secular humanism, so I suggest you read that article (although keep in mind that humanists have no dogma, so they are likely to disagree over many points).
    Last edited by Manhattan_Project_2000; 01-17-2009 at 02:23 PM.
    Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.

    The List of Hate, My self-indulgent journal-thing.
    Last Post:
    Video Vomit 05/11/11

  18. #68
    Senior Member OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha has a reputation beyond repute OmegaAlpha's Avatar
    Gil
    3,440.00
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    05-24-2009 07:20 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Age
    28
    Threads
    8
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    162

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    Ahhh....exactly. Well done. You will be rewarded with cake.

    In response to OmegaAlpha's question, I think that there are plenty of moral values that can be taught to person without religion being attached to it. You do not have to be Christian to understand that stealing something from someone is bad, because they may need that thing, that its against the law, etc.

    However, a few laws are...complex, enough that some type of spirituality would be involved in their planning. For example, taking the life of another person is against the law but why is that? For a religious person, it is because life is sacred and taking the life of another person can lead to not only punishment in the physical realm (going to jail for the rest of your life or sentenced to death) but also in the spiritual realm (going to Hell, reincarnated into something horrible/hated, etc). But why should an atheist worry about the spiritual consequences of killing someone? Sure, it is against the law, but that does not stop people from doing other things that are illegal. So why is killing someone so bad, so hated, such that it has some of the harshest punishments on a person who commits such a crime?

    *That is just a philosophical question; I am really looking for an answer.*
    That did not quite answer the question I had because you didn't name a moral value that religious people have that non religious people cannot have. I would also add that if religious people are only good and not out killing and robbing people 24/7 because they want to avoid hell... that's pretty scary.

    I'll answer your questions though.

    "Why should an atheist worry about the spiritual consequences of killing someone?"


    They should not worry about the spiritual consequences. They might worry about the legal consequences. Sitting in a jail cell forever is kind of a let down. Many religious people sit in prison for murder too, they are not exempt. If fear of the law isn't working, fear of God isn't working either.

    "So why is killing someone so bad, so hated, such that it has some of the harshest punishments on a person who commits such a crime?"

    Murder is "bad" and "hated". Killing for other reasons is accepted and practiced on all levels of life from the hunter to the military.
    We did not need religion to teach us that murdering people is a bad thing.
    It's "bad" because losing your life is no fun. People desire to live. This might seem simple but it's really not more simple than "we don't murder because God will be angry".

    Humans are not these evil time bombs of terror. We don't generally murder because it's not very nice and it serves us no purpose. We like to be alive and we assume others like being alive too.
    Last edited by OmegaAlpha; 01-17-2009 at 04:33 PM.

  19. #69
    Great Witch of Britannia wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90 has a reputation beyond repute wolfgirl90's Avatar
    Gil
    37,489.92
    Gender
    My Mood
    Wicked
    Gifts Eva Penpen Wolf Full Moon
    Mentioned
    52 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    12-21-2014 04:53 AM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, United States
    Age
    24
    Threads
    47
    Posts
    2,029
    Rep Power
    2243
    Gamer IDs

    Gamertag: DisturbedWiccan PSN ID: Wolfdragon63 Steam ID: Wolfgirl90

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    Do I really have to answer that question? Because I'm not sure if I can do it without being condescending.
    I actually meant to say to say that I wasn't really looking for an answer, since I was just asking a philosophical question.

    However, since I am already seeing some interesting answers, I will just keep my post as it is.
    This is my war face.

    This is what happens to trolls who mess with me.

  20. #70
    4: [Classified brah] Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris has a reputation beyond repute Eris's Avatar
    Gil
    101,831.15
    Gender
    Gifts Tuxedo Mask Rose Mario Question Block Pen
    Mentioned
    298 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    01-23-2015 04:32 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Tau Ceti V
    Age
    28
    Threads
    617
    Posts
    19,690
    Blog Entries
    620
    Rep Power
    14747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    I actually meant to say to say that I wasn't really looking for an answer, since I was just asking a philosophical question.
    Why would you not want an answer to a philosophical question? If there ever was a question that merited an answer, it was philosophical.



    Hey look, Japan made a movie about me!

  21. #71
    Senior Member Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro's Avatar
    Gil
    3,540.00
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    05-19-2009 06:56 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    San Diego, CA, USA, EARTH. WE ARE ALL NEiGHBORS.
    Age
    24
    Threads
    4
    Posts
    177
    Rep Power
    33
    Gamer IDs

    Wii Code: psh **** the wii.

    Default

    In my eyes, religion is no more than an excuse for the weak to remain so. Having the ability to pawn off all of life's hardships, saying it's the will of a higher being, and not taking responsibility for your own errors, is religion to a T. Having an almighty, powerful god(s) or goddess(es) is another way for people to avoid taking ownership of their lives. Personally, I know it's my own doing everything bad or good in my life has happened, as it will be my own doing for anything that WILL happen. It's up to people, not some higher being, to change people. To change the world. To make good. To make bad. It is not "God's Will" that you have cancer. It's because you smoke ten ****ing packs a day. It's not god's will that you are a fatass, it's because you eat unhealthy food and don't go for a walk everyday. Having a "GOD" is a reason for you to say, oh well, out of my control. It's NOT out of your control, you alone have the power to lead your life, don't pawn it off to a non existent being that we thought up one day. "God" as however you feel it exists, is an idea merely meant for taking the blame. Sure, there are a couple religions out there that DO place the blame on ourselves, as it should. And to those FEW religions, if you can call them that, get my respect.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    Why would you not want an answer to a philosophical question? If there ever was a question that merited an answer, it was philosophical.
    I agree with you 100%


    open up your mind
    and let some
    thought inside

  22. #72
    Senior Member Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian has a reputation beyond repute Diocletian's Avatar
    Gil
    5,051.85
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    03-20-2011 05:22 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Central Coast, California.
    Age
    21
    Threads
    185
    Posts
    5,807
    Blog Entries
    78
    Rep Power
    7310

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    There's not much to say. Do you believe in a distant god that doesn't manipulate the universe? If so, congratulations you're a deist. It's a rather succinct philosophy, like atheism or agnosticism.
    I just agree with it more than other ideas. I do disagree that your god tells you your moral stand point. If I remember correctly it's an umbrella term like the multiple god Polytheists.

  23. #73
    ☆Good Lucky☆ BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly has a reputation beyond repute BestFly's Avatar
    Gil
    10,367.59
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    07-07-2012 09:05 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    New York
    Threads
    18
    Posts
    523
    Rep Power
    660

    Default

    In my eyes, religion is no more than an excuse for the weak to remain so. Having the ability to pawn off all of life's hardships, saying it's the will of a higher being, and not taking responsibility for your own errors, is religion to a T.
    I don't know what type of religion you're thinking of, but in Christianity, Islam, Buhhism and such this is very far from true. True, some people will say that "it's God's punishment blahblah" but even if that's true then surely there are rules and guidelines one has to follow, meaning responsibility does exist.
    Having an almighty, powerful god(s) or goddess(es) is another way for people to avoid taking ownership of their lives. Personally, I know it's my own doing everything bad or good in my life has happened, as it will be my own doing for anything that WILL happen. It's up to people, not some higher being, to change people. To change the world.
    So if you sat under a tree and an apple fell on yourhead it's your fault because you sat down? If everyone had control over what happened in their life without restriction the world would be in chaos.

    To make good. To make bad. It is not "God's Will" that you have cancer. It's because you smoke ten ****ing packs a day. It's not god's will that you are a fatass, it's because you eat unhealthy food and don't go for a walk everyday. Having a "GOD" is a reason for you to say, oh well, out of my control.
    True, it would not be in God's will that one would suffer. But while I might be underestimating the number of peple who use god as a scapegoat, you're surely overestimating it.

    It's NOT out of your control, you alone have the power to lead your life, don't pawn it off to a non existent being that we thought up one day.
    What of the person who has terminal cancer or something? What power does he have to lead his life? What of the orphan child wandering the streets? Truth is everyone of us needs help from time to time, we've all been in situations where we are powerless to help ourselves.
    "God" as however you feel it exists, is an idea merely meant for taking the blame.
    This is never the reason for God in any religion. There could be a god of war, or something, or an Omnipotent God, or a God who just created everything and left, but I don't recal there being a God for being a scapegoat.
    Last edited by BestFly; 01-17-2009 at 08:11 PM.

  24. #74
    Senior Member Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro has a reputation beyond repute Saikoro's Avatar
    Gil
    3,540.00
    Gender
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    05-19-2009 06:56 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    San Diego, CA, USA, EARTH. WE ARE ALL NEiGHBORS.
    Age
    24
    Threads
    4
    Posts
    177
    Rep Power
    33
    Gamer IDs

    Wii Code: psh **** the wii.

    Default

    Hmm. I suppose you could look at it that way. And I am somewhat biased, being raised in church. Hell, I'm VERY biased, I know that. I'm also jaded to the fact that I was raised being told that this wonderful being was here to help me with my problems, and to trust myself to him fully. And I did, for about four years. I didn't question anything, I was told to just accept it as fate, that it's god's will, and I have to power to change anything.

    I left the church about three years ago, and my life has never been better. I took the reins of my own life, and never looked back. I didn't need a god to do it for me, he couldn't have.

    Though I suppose I am also cursed with a fighting will. I can't just resign myself to the beliefs of others, without good reason. That he is almighty and awesome is not enough for me, and I assume not enough for the fellow thinkers.

    I saw the giant hypocrisy in the church firsthanded, and several times. It is very easy to say one thing, and do another, as it has been done for a long time. Religion, in it;s infancy was a great thing, it kept people in check, it gave them hope, it woke them up in the morning. Which is good. But people should give people hope.

    D: I'm at a loss for words right now. :P I'll post more once I figure out how to say what I'm thinking.


    open up your mind
    and let some
    thought inside

  25. #75
    Senior Member RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain has a reputation beyond repute RayCaptain's Avatar
    Gil
    181.31
    Gender
    My Mood
    Aggressive
    Gifts Gun
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Latest Post
    05-05-2011 09:20 PM
    User Info Thanks / Tagging Info Gifts / Achievements / Awards vBActivity Stats
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    In the midst of lost souls
    Threads
    4
    Posts
    451
    Rep Power
    92

    Default

    Why does this even have to be brought up? I mean we all have our own beliefs and what not. No one will be able to change my or anyone else's mind. I believe 'just getting an opinion' is a very, VERY risky thing to do since some people are pretty protective of their religion.
    ~The One and Only~

Closed Thread
Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Similar Threads

  1. .hack Role Plaers:IMPORTANT! (please read!)
    By Sanrui in forum Miscellaneous Miscellany
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 12-07-2005, 12:53 AM
  2. Attn: Role Players; Help Needed
    By Lon in forum Video Games
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-09-2005, 05:43 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts