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    Lets get this straight. Religion does not = Philosophy
    Even if they share a few common traits they are different.
    Thus, it is acceptable to say Philosophy>Religion.

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    Religion is useful for easing the minds of those who are incapable of dealing with the idea that this life is all they get. Some people need a promise of something after death.

    Being a religion also exempts you from tax, does it not? That's very useful.

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    i do see religion as a cancer, all religions think that god belongs to them and that the absolute truth belongs to them as well. BS
    I think god exists, or a higher being, no necessarily called "god" but i dont believe in religions. I dont think if a person is bad he or she will go to hell thats BS as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Seiya View Post
    i do see religion as a cancer, all religions think that god belongs to them and that the absolute truth belongs to them as well. BS
    I think god exists, or a higher being, no necessarily called "god" but i dont believe in religions. I dont think if a person is bad he or she will go to hell thats BS as well.
    Religion is not a cancer. It's more like type 2 diabetes. It's avoidable.

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    i guess, if you dont wanna pay attention to the millions of ignorants that based their lives on religion you could say its avoidable lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Seiya View Post
    i guess, if you dont wanna pay attention to the millions of ignorants that based their lives on religion you could say its avoidable lol

    Like diabetes you choose to eat all the sugary food.
    You choose to "accept" religion in your heart.

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    I recently gave up on religion after remembering that my mother was harrassed by a Catholic priest when he was asking her very personal things about sex. All we wanted to do was get my little brother baptised. I still believe in God and all that, but just don't label myself with any one religion.

    But religion itself isn't a bad idea. Bringing together family, and coming together as a community with common a belief sounds harmless.

    It's the religious maniacs who scream at you and tell you you'll burn in Hell if you don't do such and such or you do so and so. And burn people alive if they don't follow their own religion. It's utterly ridiculous.

    And the large number of dirty priests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmegaAlpha View Post
    Like diabetes you choose to eat all the sugary food.
    You choose to "accept" religion in your heart.

    Well -- this might sound slightly off topic, but I just need to say (since my dad has it):

    You can get diabetes even without eating sugary food.

    Also, alot of people are brought up in religious families, where religion is the norm. Although they may choose to believe in the same thing as their parents, it's really more of a natural thing to believe when you are brought up in in a religious family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonlightkisu View Post

    Well -- this might sound slightly off topic, but I just need to say (since my dad has it):

    You can get diabetes even without eating sugary food.

    Also, alot of people are brought up in religious families, where religion is the norm. Although they may choose to believe in the same thing as their parents, it's really more of a natural thing to believe when you are brought up in in a religious family.
    Hhaha okay I give up on this one! Religion is cancer, not diabetes.

    On your second point, I agree but it does not change the point that at some point you have to decide what works for you. I was Catholic too.
    As Catholic as an 11 year old kid can be. At some point your beliefs are your own and not something forced on you. The idea that religious people brainwash is not beyond me. I agree that happens. In the western world though the more common case is a kid is brought up religious and either chooses to pass that on or like me, gives it up.
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    in connection with your drug thread. you can rid the world of religion or drugs. there WILL always be ones that slip by and go against the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamaaina ^_^ View Post
    in connection with your drug thread. you can rid the world of religion or drugs. there WILL always be ones that slip by and go against the norm.

    This is a matter of fact. I agree. Banning either thing is no use and probably more trouble than it's worth. We can feel warm and comfy by banning things but it does not stop the problem. Supply and demand. If people want to believe, they will. If people want to use drugs, they will. We can deny this and fight against religion and drugs until we are blue in the face until the end of time. It's a losing fight.

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    Religion is intergrated into the very fabric of society. To get rid of it, means to get rid of much more than just a "belief" system; it would be to get rid of people's own "support" and "hope" system, as well.

    There would be no real way to get rid of it completely. Besides, i'm not entirely sure how you'd go about abolishing religion, anyway. In many ways it would be unethical since although I do not follow or believe in any religion, I do believe people do have the right to believe in what they want.

    It wouldn't really be that easy, and so, we can't assume the world will be better off without it. There would always be something else to fill in the blank space religion left.

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    I wouldn't say that religion is the cancer of society. I'm sure there are instances in which religion does become a pain, especially when the hardcore conservatives try to incorporate more people withing their sect, or when they're out to dehumanize those that go against their religion. But religion does have some good aspects as well.

    For one, religion is the basis for society. People tend to center themselves around people with the same ideas and beliefs, which aids to the building of communities. It helps bring a sense of unification to people and strengthens the bond between humans.

    Religion is also the basis of morality. Without religion, we would never be able to tell right from wrong. People would be able to do as they please, which would bring chaos to society. It's very possible to create regulations and laws to prohibit people from going into chaos, but the foundations for those rules will always be derrived from religion.

    I'm not saying that religion is the answer to everything, but it's wrong to completely dismiss it just because of some aspects which make it destructive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmaSD View Post
    I wouldn't say that religion is the cancer of society. I'm sure there are instances in which religion does become a pain, especially when the hardcore conservatives try to incorporate more people withing their sect, or when they're out to dehumanize those that go against their religion. But religion does have some good aspects as well.

    For one, religion is the basis for society. People tend to center themselves around people with the same ideas and beliefs, which aids to the building of communities. It helps bring a sense of unification to people and strengthens the bond between humans.

    Religion is also the basis of morality. Without religion, we would never be able to tell right from wrong. People would be able to do as they please, which would bring chaos to society. It's very possible to create regulations and laws to prohibit people from going into chaos, but the foundations for those rules will always be derrived from religion.

    I'm not saying that religion is the answer to everything, but it's wrong to completely dismiss it just because of some aspects which make it destructive.
    I like this post. Good ideas.

    I agree with you on some points, disagree on others.
    I think religion is always going to be around. I would not even WANT to ban it because what replaced it would probably be worse. I agree with you up to here. I also think religion filled a hole that humanity would fill without it with something else. You can't defeat human nature, so you can't defeat religion. Where I disagree with you is that I think it is a cancer is some aspects. For every good it has done we can cite equal amounts of bad. I think the hope and comfort it provides comes at a high price sometimes. The "moderates" In religion are swept under the carpet by extremists.

    I totally disagree with your idea that morality comes from Religion. I won't get into that here because I'd have to type out a book. If you're curious, PM me. Either way I liked this post. Great ideas.
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    Join the Catholics or Judaism for lower suicide rate.
    You're always part of some dumb interpretable statistic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmaSD View Post
    Religion is also the basis of morality. Without religion, we would never be able to tell right from wrong. People would be able to do as they please, which would bring chaos to society. It's very possible to create regulations and laws to prohibit people from going into chaos, but the foundations for those rules will always be derrived from religion.
    I strongly object to this notion. Whatever part of religion that has to do with morality is entirely dogmatic, and is not a property of the theistic aspect of religion (but rather the cultural). You can just as easy construct atheistic moral systems. An example of this would be secular humanism.

    In general, I find that theistic moral systems are weak. They provide no reasoning as to why things are right and wrong, and as such can be broken by anyone who does not believe. Secular moral systems are much more resilient, since they are based on logic and reason, which is not something you can not just decide to stop believing in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    I strongly object to this notion. Whatever part of religion that has to do with morality is entirely dogmatic, and is not a property of the theistic aspect of religion (but rather the cultural). You can just as easy construct atheistic moral systems. An example of this would be secular humanism.

    In general, I find that theistic moral systems are weak. They provide no reasoning as to why things are right and wrong, and as such can be broken by anyone who does not believe. Secular moral systems are much more resilient, since they are based on logic and reason, which is not something you can not just decide to stop believing in.
    I would also add this challenge for anyone who thinks that Religion is the basis for morality.: Name a moral value that is kept by Religion that could not be had without Religion.

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    Why would I care what other people practice? Sure it's full of hypocrisy, but who am I to judge? I can judge you based on how you act, but not by what your pastor preaches. As long as you don't come to my house every Saturday knocking on my door & telling me about your god (Seriously Jehova's Witnesses never come to my house again unless you want to stay alive), I have no problem with your religion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Theocletian View Post
    Why would I care what other people practice? Sure it's full of hypocrisy, but who am I to judge? I can judge you based on how you act, but not by what your pastor preaches. As long as you don't come to my house every Saturday knocking on my door & telling me about your god (Seriously Jehova's Witnesses never come to my house again unless you want to stay alive), I have no problem with your religion.
    If people kept their faiths to themselves, there would not be a problem. But that is not the situation today. Religion has a large influence in society, in a way that is detrimental to the liberties and interests of secular people.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    If people kept their faiths to themselves, there would not be a problem. But that is not the situation today. Religion has a large influence in society, in a way that is detrimental to the liberties and interests of secular people.
    That is true, but belief and pride in what you believe in will never be taken away. Even if religion was taken out all together and people started believing in the theory of evolution then there would be debates on whether a mollusk or a jellyfish was our descendant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theocletian View Post
    That is true, but belief and pride in what you believe in will never be taken away. Even if religion was taken out all together and people started believing in the theory of evolution then there would be debates on whether a mollusk or a jellyfish was our descendant.
    Ah, but the beauty of science is that it encourages skepticism and continuous re-evaluation, even towards your own standpoint. Religion on the other hand encourages you to cling onto what you believe is true, even in the face of contradictory evidence.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Waverly View Post
    Ah, but the beauty of science is that it encourages skepticism and continuous re-evaluation, even towards your own standpoint. Religion on the other hand encourages you to cling onto what you believe is true, even in the face of contradictory evidence.
    All true. However I find it more entertaining to see Jesus and Buddha arguments.

    Science also has something that religion doesn't. Evidence. All there is is a book on a man who destroyed towns and cured people. To be fair we humans can do that all on our own. Hell doctors help blindness, we burn cities. It makes a god look a bit less cooler.

    Despite all this I believe in a god. I don't stick myself to one religion, rather take in stuff from all of them as well as believing in evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theocletian View Post
    Despite all this I believe in a god. I don't stick myself to one religion, rather take in stuff from all of them as well as believing in evolution.
    To be fair, science can't say anything about deities existence or non-existence, since there is a complete absence of evidence in either direction. What I believe, Ignosticism (not a typo), is the philosophy that is most compatible with the scientific method, but other convictions are quite compatible as well.



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    Absurdism, look into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmegaAlpha View Post
    Absurdism, look into it.
    Uh, absurdism doesn't say anything about the existence or the non-existence of a god. It somewhat clashes with abrahamic theism, but doesn't exclude the possibility of gods that aren't "architects of fate", like the bulk of those in Greek mythology.



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