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    Default Debate: Do people have the right to suicided?

    (Not sure if is the right section -.-")

    So do people have the right to suicide?
    It is every person's right to do whatever he/she wants to do with their life, even end it. But on the other hand isn't committing suicide actually committing a murder therefore it must be stopped by law?

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    I don't know..I think it's weird that people consider suicide murder..I mean yeah you're taking a life...but you're taking YOUR life. I consider murder to be taking someone else's life. Homicide. It's not like they can sentence you to jail for killing yourself after you...are dead. So really..it's something that goes unpunished, and something that usually can not be stopped.

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    I think that people can do it if they want. It's their life...soon to be taken by their own hand, which is kind of.....(for a lack of a better/harsher word) the easy way out, its their choice.
    Last edited by Gizoku; 10-04-2008 at 11:47 PM.
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    No. Obvious no. When someone kills themselves, it not only affects one person, it affects everyone who knew the person. And it is the most selfish crap to do.

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    Suicide is very selfish. People who kill themselves are incredibly inconsiderate of everyone they know (grief, trauma, burial fees, etc.). So no, I do not think people have the right to suicide.

    Confound it, International 4-8818 beat me to it.
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    i think someone has the right to suicide,but they should get help to get over there problems. but if that isn't enough and the preson is in so much pain that they can't see to live anymore, or that people will love them in the after life. sometimes when people do comment suicide they aren't thinking shright,it's more of an impluse mistake really.>in my opion<




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    If a person wants to kill them self then let them do that. Its there life they can do what they want.Yeah it might affect other people but once again they can do what they want it's there choice.

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    Whether they have the right to or not is irrelevant - if someone wants to die they will do it anyway at which time the point is moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagat View Post
    Whether they have the right to or not is irrelevant - if someone wants to die they will do it anyway at which time the point is moot.
    you're right...people will do it either way.

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    Guys who said they should and that they have the right. are you kidding me? do you have any rational thoughts? So far it is constant bullcrap with a dash or irrationality and teenage angst.

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    If one actually has desire to take his own life,then let it be...
    But I see no morality in a person who takes ones life,even if it's it's own...
    People like that are mainly persons who are not just yet aware what life really is,how hard it can be sometimes,and they go on - oooooh,I'm gonna kill myself...that will end up my misery...
    Then shut up and let me help you with that...
    Life is hard in most of the time,especially when you're mature enough to accept that fact and actually understand the meaning of it...
    And if it's sooooooo hard for someone (boooo-hoooo) to bring up the suicide idea,then let it be...It's ones own life after all...
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    I believe there is always a way to prevent suicide, there is always something the person holds on to and doesn't want to loose. And I think it is the most selfish thing. Yet people have to decie for their own.

    Edit: Something else I have in mind is theese little 12-16 yearold posers that are like "I will never find love I hate my life and Ill commit suicide tomorrow if you dont tell me I'm pretty in this picture" I feel embarrased over those things. Theyre just SCREAMING for attention. They could try living without a computer to post their complaining blogs at, food every day, clothes to wear and see someone explode in their face. Then I could feel for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagat View Post
    Whether they have the right to or not is irrelevant - if someone wants to die they will do it anyway at which time the point is moot.
    The question then becomes "Do people have a right to assisted suicide?" which was implied from the get go man.

    There are 2 legitimate points against it.
    1. The suicide negatively affects all those who depend upon or have an investment in the suicidal person.
    2. A person might not be with a healthy enough mind to decide to commit suicide.

    I think that if someone is willing to have an assisted suicide, but isn't willing to carry it out in another way, should just stay alive. You've got to really want to commit suicide if you're going to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by International 4-8818 View Post
    Guys who said they should and that they have the right. are you kidding me? do you have any rational thoughts? So far it is constant bullcrap with a dash or irrationality and teenage angst.

    It's not bull crap that they have the right to do so. Everyone has rights to do whatever they want to their own body, It's Bull crap because they are being selfish to do something as stupid as suicide! That would be the dumbest choice of their lives!

    People have choices, if they want to die and run away from their problems, it's their choice. People who suicide don't really think it over that well, no matter how bad their lives are, they can always make it better.

    But you know...Suicide can also be counted as murder to some extent....Say if one person treated another one so bad that the one who got treated bad commited suicide, And who was the cause of death? The person who treated the other one bad. From previous laws it still is treated as murder in these types of situations.

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    The RIGHT? Yes. They have every right to do so if they so choose.

    Is it RESPONSIBLE? Not especially, if there are people that depend on them being alive. Otherwise I don't see it as either responsible or irresponsible.

    Oh no, people will be sad! So instead they should live with these suicidal urges and, say, go through life with a self-destructive mindset that may cause them to lash out at their loved ones?

    To those that say they DON'T have the right, which is worse: A man killing himself because he genuinely hates living his life and doesn't want to go on, or that same man alive, drinking heavily, beating his wife and children, and losing his job? See, now his family isn't being supported AND he's replaced life insurance money with bruises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke23 View Post
    To those that say they DON'T have the right, which is worse: A man killing himself because he genuinely hates living his life and doesn't want to go on, or that same man alive, drinking heavily, beating his wife and children, and losing his job? See, now his family isn't being supported AND he's replaced life insurance money with bruises.
    To those that say cops should enforce the law, which is worse: a criminal breaking a law and killing a cop trying enforce the law, or a criminal simply breaking a law? See, the crime still happens anyway AND the cops are still alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    To those that say cops should enforce the law, which is worse: a criminal breaking a law and killing a cop trying enforce the law, or a criminal simply breaking a law? See, the crime still happens anyway AND the cops are still alive.
    Hmm, okay, so the crime represents emotional suffering and financial trouble. Breaking the law represents what, self loathing? Okay, let's say self-loathing. That leaves the cop dying as representative of the hypothetical man's suicide.

    That's not nearly the same thing. Unless, of course, you think that a single event causes at most an equivalent amount of emotional suffering and financial trouble to the family as years of abuse and general unemployment.
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    Suicide is fine by me so long as your method of choice doesn't affect too many people. I can't stand noobs who choose suicide by cop, jumping in front of a car [train is ok unless you are in a car], blowing up a military checkpoint etc.

    Yeah it's selfish but you have to be the most naive person on earth to say you aren't selfish. If you aren't selfish please die right now so I can have your air and that's one less person to feed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke23 View Post
    Hmm, okay, so the crime represents emotional suffering and financial trouble. Breaking the law represents what, self loathing? Okay, let's say self-loathing. That leaves the cop dying as representative of the hypothetical man's suicide.
    It's actually easier than that. In the analogy, not enforcing the law represent suicide.


    That's not nearly the same thing. Unless, of course, you think that a single event causes at most an equivalent amount of emotional suffering and financial trouble to the family as years of abuse and general unemployment.
    I think it is a fair analogy. You came up with one instance where suicide looked good. I came up with one instance where not enforcing the law looked good.

    It's not that your wrong, it's just that the logic you're using isn't sound since it can be used to justify not having a police force.

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    Well then, congratulations on greatly oversimplifying things. Let's continue on that line of thought, shall we?

    Well, if not enforcing the law is suicide, I suppose that means that enforcing the law is not suicide. So cops, who are paid and duty-bound to enforce the law, forfeit the right to not do so willingly. I suppose the law enforcement profession in this case is marriage? So what you're saying is, then, that because a police officer took an oath to enforce the law, the average person on the street does not have the right to walk away from a crime being committed?

    Ah but Sano, you say, YOU brought the husband part into this! Now you're twisting things up!

    Well then, new question: That kid getting the crap beaten out of them, do THEY somehow not have the right to kill themselves if they don't see any other way out of the situation?

    Let's use your analogy's theme for a second. Say the crime being committed is a hostage situation. Are you now going to stick by what your analogy implied your position is and say that the hostage now MUST attempt to disable their assailant and place them under citizen's arrest?

    You see, now we're getting into sketchy territory. Sure, they CAN if they so choose. Nobody's telling them no. However, in a situation like that nobody can really pass judgment on them for sitting on the floor blindfolded hoping they just make it out alive, either. Taking the analogy's theme away, sure someone might have it tougher than the kid, but that kid as an individual has reached a breaking point. It really isn't my place or yours to say they don't have the right to break at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by International 4-8818 View Post
    No. Obvious no. When someone kills themselves, it not only affects one person, it affects everyone who knew the person. And it is the most selfish crap to do.
    Your surroundings do not own you, it is their privilege to know you -- not their right. Arguably, it is reckless to commit suicide without consideration to your surroundings, but in the end it is your privilege to do what you want with your life. If you are going to off yourself, you should certainly discuss it with your surroundings before you do it, instead of doing it behind their backs.

    The number of cases where it truly is a good idea is pretty small though, you shouldn't off yourself because you're feeling down and the other kids are mean in school. Why? You will graduate. You will have a life after school. And it will rock. On the other hand, if you are faced with a slow, horribly disfiguring and painful illness with 100% lethality, it is completely justified.

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    People should have the right to do whatever they want to themselves so long as it doesn't effect others. I think laws against suicide (and assisted suicide, not that the OP implied that was the topic in the least) are silly.
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    Once the decision to die has been made that's it. If people don't want to live their life, why keep them around? Sure a reason to do it might be impulsive, but to take the freedom away from suicide is just not right in way possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriciaRose~ View Post
    I would actually have to agree. I believe it's selfish as well. The little emo teens who think they have it so bad...think that their life is so horrible.. but they don't realize that it could be SO much worse than it actually is. I understand feeling pain, and lonliness. But you should NOT kill yourself just to 'have an easy way out'. deal with your problems. you can't always turn to a razor to solve your problems. I think suicide is pretty stupid, and a very stupid excuse.
    I agree. I don't know what's going on, what's tha reason behind for example you wanted to kill yourself. problems? pain? Oh plz, try to solve it, don't run away. Life is an amaizing experience!
    For me only cowards commit suicide. Everything has solution, the only exception is death.


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    I think they have the right to. It`s their life.

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