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    Default Would you say that man is inherently good or evil?

    I was curious as to what you guys thought about man being inherently good or evil. I'd start by saying that by default, things as well as mankind are indeed good. Its society and the things around us that makes man bad.

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    Since there can be no definition of good and evil that doesn't call upon dogmatic statements, evil is subjective. Man is neither good, nor evil; but rather acts out of more complex motivations that can not be deduced into these crude categories.
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    Evil. Everything the human nature does seems to have a dramatically terrible impact on the world and/or nature.
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    Well, I've had this with philosophy on school and we came to the conclusion that man isn't good or evil. Man is influenced by his surroundings to become either good or evil.

    Although there still is the question if good and evil even exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    Since there can be no definition of good and evil that doesn't call upon dogmatic statements, evil is subjective. Man is neither good, nor evil; but rather acts out of more complex motivations that can not be deduced into these crude categories.


    Basically what I was going to say....just more fancy and all nice like.

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    Well at the start when we are babies I'd say we are neutral, I mean the only thing we know how to do then is survive and, by doing that, want things. As we grow older it's the enviornment around us that turns people to more negative or more posotive things, but I wouldn't necissarily say good or evil, the words are too extreme and no one in this world is just good or just evil.

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    While this subject has crossed my mind a number of times over the past few years, I would have to say, in conjunction with what some others have already said, that humanity is neither inherently good nor evil. Trying to label it at such would, as has been my experience, laying out the framework for a near intolerable argument that rarely experiences any fruitful outcomes.

    And, while this falls onto something of a personal note, even if humanity could be defined as either good or evil, I would prefer it not to be. Surely, as has been my experience, humans are strange and near intolerable creatures at times; however, it strikes me with interest the way they lay out their futures for themselves and how they grasp their own individual possiblities. So, while I cannot lay out an explanatory reason as to why I feel this way, it rings a more charming bell to live within a world with humans as they are rather than have them classified into such subjective categories as good or evil.

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    This is indeed a subjective topic. I guess you could say in stead of labeling someone good or evil, we could say its their actions instead which can be labeled.

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    Well, if you are a sadist then that makes you evil. But if you are a Doctor or vet then that can make you good. It all depends on an individuals actions. But alas, no one is perfect. At one moment a person can seem the nicest you have ever met, but then they could be going home and beating their children for no reason, and no one would be any the wiser. It's how the world works.
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    mmhh, I don't think we inherent good or evil.. I think that it depends on how someone's life has been...

    Man is influenced by his surroundings

    completely agree



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    Quote Originally Posted by Amray View Post
    Well, if you are a sadist then that makes you evil. But if you are a Doctor or vet then that can make you good. It all depends on an individuals actions. But alas, no one is perfect. At one moment a person can seem the nicest you have ever met, but then they could be going home and beating their children for no reason, and no one would be any the wiser. It's how the world works.
    Ha, exactly what I just said

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    I agree with Amray. Some men are good, some are evil, and some are both. Even a "good" man may act evil at times. An "evil" man may do a good deed every now-and-then. Another thing to look at is that the definitions of "good" and "evil" change for different people. I would label terrorists as "evil" people, but they would label themselves as doing a "good" deed for their God.

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    I don't think mankind in general is really 'good' or 'evil' for about the same reason that Eris stated. Actually, I think it's more like 'neutral'. However, I do think that certain individuals who have done extraordinarily good or bad deeds can fit into the good or evil category though.
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    Call me optimistic, but i would like to believe that man is inherantly good, obviously with the potential to do evil.
    But i think when you use the word 'inherent', that means regardless of what his actions are- and some, well most, believe that goodness and evil are both determined by actions. That's why people say "neither"
    Gosh i think i'm confusing myself.

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    I think man is inherently always looking out for numero uno, and if this involves stepping on some toes along the way, or treating others with compassion in the hopes of the same being done for you, so be it.

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    I don't know...
    I suppose I would say that man just makes choices based on his morals, and they can either be identified as good or bad by our standards in society.

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    well, judging by the concept of men about good and evil, then every living being on the Earth is evil by nature. every animal is a killing machine in it's own way, and men is not different from that. think that just for living we have to kill a lot of animals, we have to destroy a lot of trees, we almost destroyed the nature that surrounds us, as if a revenge for making us the perfect weapons against everything that nature created

    maybe there are a few individuals that succeeded in suppressing this instincts, but anyway we are evil by nature, we have to be evil in order to survive, and it's a normal thing amongst all the living beings, so, maybe in the end being evil is not that bad
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    I was going to make a topic similar to this, but used the search feature and decided to just post here!


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    This morning, or 45 minutes before I posted this, I was thinking about my life. At 12:15 am I spontaneously went out on my back porch, and after looking at the moon, the sky, listening to the birds and crickets, smelling the air and feeling the humidity, I got on the railing and climbed onto the roof of my house.


    I thought about want I wanted to do with my life. I posed myself a simple question.

    Would I rather focus on school, take up a normal career, and have a normal life with a wife and kids?

    Would I rather live however I wanted? Be spontaneous and follow my own rules? Be free and enjoy an exciting life, travel the world, do anything, maybe even Kill another person?

    Would I rather follow the law to achieve a greater purpose? Dedicate my life to something, show my resolve, and even if just a little, make the world a better place?

    Then it hit me, what I had just thought about, and what it meant. Did I want to be neutral? Nothing? Did I want to be good, or evil?

    Do I want to be good or evil?!

    I was amazed, my heart skipped a beat. I always thought a person was inclined to do good or evil, had a personality suited for one or the other! However, here, it was just a simple choice. A decision! I didn't really care!

    It's not like being left or right handed, it isn't something you are born with or have an affinity for, it is just another decision.

    So I thought, what would make me happier... no... what would give me a greater euphoria? To kill another person, or to save a persons life?

    I came to the unbiased, logical conclusion that it was the same thing. I mean the acts are different but, the intent is indistinguishable!

    Like given the choice between being a pitcher, or a batter in baseball. First you think, they are different! But when you think about it, the pitcher simply wants to strike a batter out, and the batter wants to make a home run. If you view if from two separate points, they appear opposites, but from a single view, you just want to win the game! There is no difference!

    I still don't know what I want to do with my life... nothing calls out to me. No voice in my head telling me to do this or that.

    I'm just here. There is no reason for it.

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    Well, I think it mostly depends on your point of view in the world, and the certain actions that all of man does. It's too complicated for me...

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    Well, I'm sorry, but I do think man is evil :[ Just look at what we've done to the world, and I mean all of us. You may not of had a choice but to follow the rules of society, and society in general is evil for many reasons

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    Honestly, as pertains to this... There are people who are meant to be evil. Others, are born into a world not fit for them. There are many people who aren't evil, but do think evil thoughts without actually committing to them. Everyone has their share of issues, and in this world, there seems to be a lot of evil committed. I can't actually say that mankind is good or evil, but every evil person has a bit of good in them, and every good person has an impulse to act up. There's a variation between what kind of evil, and what kind of good.
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    Good and evil are opinions. Of course there are things that the vast majority think are evil eg. murder. But the person committing the murder might think that he is serving justice and doing a good thing by killing the person. Every human can do bad things, also they can do good things. So I think that we are neither- we are neither good nor evil, we just do good or bad things.






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    The idea was good, but we messed it up. And now... we're not that evil or that good, we're just stupid. As I wrote somewhere here recently, there are few "evil" and few "good" people, and many many of those that don't really care, which makes it easy for someone to lead them. Unfortunately, mostly "evil" ones lead nowadays. But I agree, good and evil are relatively relative terms that can't really be defined that precisely. So the conclusion is, neutral. Because the world is neutral, it depends on the external circumstances.

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