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    Vegetarians, the individuals that detest eating meat because they think it is wrong to slaughter animals (well it is in a way). They protest it although their stand will never be recognised as human will never stop eating meat as it is part of a healthy diet. By not eating it they are not stopping the killings of animals but instead are just being silly and becoming weak and pale, for reasons that I do not understand.

    What do you think of this? Vegetarians, the people that diet from animals for certain purposes, that still choose to eat fish. I ask this because my vegetarian Nanny had dinner at my house today and she absolutely adores fish. In fact it is her favourite meal.

    I for one do not understand. Surely eating fish defeats the point of having a vegetarian diet, or any kind of meat for that matter. They still go through the same basic process as chickens or cows, just a little less brutal, but nontheless still slaughtered. Or rather drowned by air. I see eating fish the same as eating any other dead animal. I just thought your average vegetarian excluded all meat from their diet.

    Anyway, if their are any vegetarians out there that still eat one or two different meats, does not just have to be fish, but any, could you explain? I should have really just asked my Nan, although I did not think at the time.

    On a side note, what do you think of vegetarians as a whole?
    *If you are a vegetarian then please take no offense. As you all know my Nanny is one! ^-^
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    You're 18 and have a nanny? Shame on you!


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    No, i'm staying right here. Vegs and Vegans don't know why they eat fish, they don't even know why they are vegs/vegans. They don't care about the principles behind it, or reasons, they just follow a stupid trend, thinking that makes them look smarter.
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    I'm a vegetarian, but its not because I think its cruel to kill animals for food. In fact, I think its normal. Animals kill other animals and eat them. Humans are animals, aren't they? Its natural. I'm a vegetarian because I just think meat tastes terrible.

    But to the point about vegetarians eating fish. Some one told me once that it was because fish don't have as many feelings or brains or nerves or something like that as other animals, so its not as cruel to kill them or something. I'm not an expert on fish, so I don't know if this is true, but its a thought.
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    Well humans kill animals, even when no body will eat them. Over here in Australia a very popular meat is Kangaroo. It's got more taste, it's fat free and it's the best meat out there for you.

    My friend goes off at me all the time for eating it, she's a vegan. I always inform her that Kangaroos are considered a pest and humans kill them off even when we don't eat them. So even if nobody ate the kangaroos they would be getting killed anyway, may as well make use out of their carcasses ay?

    I would presume it would be the same for any type of non endangered animal we eat.
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    Someone who eats fish isn't a vegetarian, plain and simple ;p The trendy term for such people is "flexitarian," or someone who has cut most meat out of their diet. I hate the term, but I am one =/

    I also must correct you on your reasoning. There are lots of reasons someone might become a vegan, vegetarian, or flexitarian. Sometimes it is simply preference, sometimes to meet dietary conditions, and sometimes, yes, due to the belief that it is wrong to consume animals. I cut meat (yes, ALL meat, fish and poultry included ;p) out of my diet when I was in elementary school. I did it for the animal-loving reasons any child that age might come up with, and I would probably still be a vegetarian to this day if not for discovering I'm hypoglycemic. I simply cannot get enough protein in my diet without some meat, so I eat chicken and turkey regularly. Though these days it's all about preference. Its been so long since I've had red meat that I don't have a taste for it anymore. I don't crave it, I don't enjoy smelling it, and in fact it has been known to turn my stomach being around it.

    Growing up this way, though, has been difficult. When people hear I don't touch red meat they scoff and say, "What, are you a vegetarian?" or sometimes simply assume I'm one without asking. Then they grow confused when they see me eating poultry. Until recently I didn't know there was even a name for this particular diet. It's tough, because if I say I'm not a vegetarian people will assume I eat all meats. And if I say I am one (which I don't do ;p), I would have to face the, "But chicken is meat!!!" storm.

    So I usually opt to explain that I'm neither, just don't eat red meat or fish.

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    Wow, i have the opposite thoughts of Vegetarians. i think it is cruel to eat vegetables, and i think it is wrong to kill vegetables. Vegetables are living things. Oh well, most people dont get me. i just dont like taking vegetables from the ground and eating them, i dont want to kill them.

    Vegetarians? They can eat fish? That's a new one for me. i never truly understood why people are vegetarians. there might be cruelty to animal, but that's the food cycle. Predators like sharks slaughter fish, so i dont see the difference... =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratiasu View Post
    Wow, i have the opposite thoughts of Vegetarians. i think it is cruel to eat vegetables, and i think it is wrong to kill vegetables. Vegetables are living things. Oh well, most people dont get me. i just dont like taking vegetables from the ground and eating them, i dont want to kill them.

    Vegetarians? They can eat fish? That's a new one for me. i never truly understood why people are vegetarians. there might be cruelty to animal, but that's the food cycle. Predators like sharks slaughter fish, so i dont see the difference... =P
    Haha, you are a unique individual. The thing about vegetables is that they have no thoughts, feelings, nerves or anything, just like what that other guys said about fish. Not sure about you but I have never seen a carrot breath nor have I seen a depressed turnip. They do not live like other species and have no communication or anything, and luck would have it that they are also good for you. Therefore we eat them. ^^ I think that you have seen that Ribena advertisement too many times.

    Yes I know, and yes some do eat fish. They are just some people that think it wise to change the cycle of nature and eat other animals. We have different types of teeth for a reason. The front ones are for grinding things such as herbs and other vegetables, and the back ones are for ripping and tearing things like tough meat. It is the way we were made and the way that we survive. It's also known as 'life'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratiasu View Post
    Wow, i have the opposite thoughts of Vegetarians. i think it is cruel to eat vegetables, and i think it is wrong to kill vegetables. Vegetables are living things. Oh well, most people dont get me. i just dont like taking vegetables from the ground and eating them, i dont want to kill them.

    Vegetarians? They can eat fish? That's a new one for me. i never truly understood why people are vegetarians. there might be cruelty to animal, but that's the food cycle. Predators like sharks slaughter fish, so i dont see the difference... =P
    O.o ....1st time seeing someone feeling sorry for veges (other than the plant freak Tezuka in the chibi tenipuri which even names them like Marilyn for a banzai?total idiot!)I'm not saying that you're a plant freak...nonono...please don't misunderstand me!>.<" It's just rare to see someone saying that O.o

    Vegetarians cannot eat any form of meat,including seafood and snails(yuck!).They cannot even use food containers which have been used to put meat.That's what my vegetarian roomate said.She has to bring her own container to school for lunch that's specially made for her...sometimes it looks really tasty though XD
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    It can probably be argued that it's more cruel to kill mammals than fish or poultry, since mammals have more complex brains and (probably) can experience pain in a more elaborate way than other less complex animals can.

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    I have seen what a mammal has to go through to be turned into meat, and it was absolutely shocking. When I saw that it all made sense why vegetarians refused to eat them just simply because of the precess they go through.

    They showed this in the UK on normal television, similar to a live documentary at about 8:30PM-9:00PM. it was made to show you how the process worked so that most, if not, all the British citizens could actually see fully the ugly truth of how it all happens, TOTALLY uncut, with a live audience in the studio. I can assure you that young children were still awake to watch this too. I watched it for about 10 minutes before turning it off discusted and ill.

    Basically they got a cow, shot bolts of electricity in it's head so that it was useless and in a kind of seizure. Then after it started to stop it's extreme struggling they tied it upside down from a rope on the ceiling. Then he got a gigantic knife. I remember thinking "Ha, their is no way they will show this part on national Teley". and was I wrong. The man just slashed the cows neck so that it's head was basically hanging off and the most ridiculous amount of blood just poured out of it all over the floor. I sat their in absolute shock and horror. Then he cut the rest of it's head off and started peeling the skin off it's head so that it was just a skull. People in the audience were crying and everything and I was gobsmacked.

    Absolutely Horrific. I never want to see something like that again. Films then fine, but real life broadcasts of slaughter, then forget it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amray View Post
    Haha, you are a unique individual. The thing about vegetables is that they have no thoughts, feelings, nerves or anything, just like what that other guys said about fish. Not sure about you but I have never seen a carrot breath nor have I seen a depressed turnip. They do not live like other species and have no communication or anything, and luck would have it that they are also good for you. Therefore we eat them. ^^ I think that you have seen that Ribena advertisement too many times.

    Yes I know, and yes some do eat fish. They are just some people that think it wise to change the cycle of nature and eat other animals. We have different types of teeth for a reason. The front ones are for grinding things such as herbs and other vegetables, and the back ones are for ripping and tearing things like tough meat. It is the way we were made and the way that we survive. It's also known as 'life'.
    Lol, Unique? Maybe different or even random. Well im the kind of person who watches clouds on my spare time, xD. To tell you the truth, that is my only reason to not eat vegetables. i personally hate them. But it is a great excuse no to eat them, ok maybe not great. Overall i guess you could say i have a phobia of vegetables, so if you think im the kind of person who love them, Nope. i Just have different perspectives than most people. =P

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    Fish/seafood are meat.

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    so long as sheīs eating fish, sheīs not a vegetarian. then sheīs called a pescetarian. There are diffrents between lacto-vegetarian, ovo-vetarian, pescetarian, vegan and ovo-lacto-vegetarian..you canīt sum up this all as only "vegetarian". there are huge diffrents in believes and views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsh View Post
    so long as sheīs eating fish, sheīs not a vegetarian. then sheīs called a pescetarian. There are diffrents between lacto-vegetarian, ovo-vetarian, pescetarian, vegan and ovo-lacto-vegetarian..you canīt sum up this all as only "vegetarian". there are huge diffrents in believes and views.
    Yes that makes more sense. Thankyou.
    I was never particularly interested in vegetarians and thought nothing of it, I suppose I was just curious to know.

    So, their are many different types? I would have thought as much. I only knew that vegetarians and vegens existed. Vegens are the most pickiest though because they even refuse to eat dairy products just because they come from cows and such. 'Picky Picky'! XP
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    For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
    From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
    For Making Them Beneficial to The Public

    By Jonathan Swift (1729)
    It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

    I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

    But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

    ”I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...”

    As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of other projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in the computation. It is true, a child just dropped from its dam may be supported by her milk for a solar year, with little other nourishment; at most not above the value of 2s., which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

    There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us! sacrificing the poor innocent babes I doubt more to avoid the expense than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

    The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couples who are able to maintain their own children, although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom; but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remains one hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, how this number shall be reared and provided for, which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing, till they arrive at six years old, except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier, during which time, they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers, as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

    I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old is no salable commodity; and even when they come to this age they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half-a-crown at most on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriment and rags having been at least four times that value.

    I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

    I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

    I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

    I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.

    I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

    Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.

    I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar's child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, laborers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants; the mother will have eight shillings net profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

    Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which artificially dressed will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

    As to our city of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

    A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service; and these to be disposed of by their parents, if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me, from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable; and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission be a loss to the public, because they soon would become breeders themselves; and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice (although indeed very unjustly), as a little bordering upon cruelty; which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, however so well intended.

    But in order to justify my friend, he confessed that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality as a prime dainty; and that in his time the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty's prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court, in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

    Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed, and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken to ease the nation of so grievous an encumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known that they are every day dying and rotting by cold and famine, and filth and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young laborers, they are now in as hopeful a condition; they cannot get work, and consequently pine away for want of nourishment, to a degree that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labor, they have not strength to perform it; and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

    I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.

    For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation as well as our most dangerous enemies; and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

    Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to distress and help to pay their landlord's rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

    Thirdly, Whereas the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old and upward, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a-piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, beside the profit of a new dish introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among ourselves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

    Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

    Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns; where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection, and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating: and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

    Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards or enforced by laws and penalties. It would increase the care and tenderness of mothers toward their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the public, to their annual profit instead of expense. We should see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives during the time of their pregnancy as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, their sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

    Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barreled beef, the propagation of swine's flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well-grown, fat, yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a lord mayor's feast or any other public entertainment. But this and many others I omit, being studious of brevity.

    Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

    I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and 'twas indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither cloaths, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

    Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, 'till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

    But, as to my self, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

    After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, as things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for an hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, there being a round million of creatures in human figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock would leave them in debt two millions of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession to the bulk of farmers, cottagers, and laborers, with their wives and children who are beggars in effect: I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold as to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food, at a year old in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes as they have since gone through by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of entailing the like or greater miseries upon their breed for ever.

    I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavoring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the public good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I
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    I once knew of a goth boy in my school told me that he is a vegan. Then one day, he went to the snack bar to get a chicken sandwich. And now he is a hypocrite for saying he is a vegan(hates animal/animal products) and eating a chicken sandwich.

    Now to point out the MOST OBVIOUS fact in this topic *points* Fish are meat! plain and simple


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    Quote Originally Posted by iRevo View Post
    I once knew of a goth boy in my school told me that he is a vegan. Then one day, he went to the snack bar to get a chicken sandwich. And now he is a hypocrite for saying he is a vegan(hates animal/animal products) and eating a chicken sandwich.

    Now to point out the MOST OBVIOUS fact in this topic *points* Fish are meat! plain and simple
    Yes, I've heard that one before. Once my Sister said she was turning Vegetarian. This lasted less than a week before she took a trip to McDonald's 'secretly' to get a beef burger. -__- I knew for a fact that she would not hold out long. My Mum was quite angry about that too because of all the meat that she cooked for her the past 5 days that she ended up throwing away because she was "vegetarian". Liar.

    And yes, fish are meat, even if they cannot think properly and may or may not have nerves. They are still living things nontheless and a vegetarian eating any kind of meat kind of defeats the point of.....well not eating meat.
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    Vegetarians refuse to eat meat and fish because of many reasons. some only recognize that an animal has to suffer a painful dead. Some of them donīt want to be guilty for the dead of milions of animals each day only because some people arenīt hungry but want to eat something. Humans often kill animals because they donīt recognize that they are animals too. Radical vegetarians and vegans and so on say someone who eat meat can eat human meat too. To kill an animal is like killing a human. Thereīs no diffrence.
    Pescetarian are really aparted vegetarians. Vegetarians donīt like to be called with pescetarians as the same because they donīt accept them by reason that they eat fish. fish is an animal. fish is like a human.
    I can understand the statement of Vegetarians and Vegans. Itīs important to know some facts about all of this.
    Meat abreviate your life.
    Some people say itīs unhealthy to donīt eat meat but
    the science has proven that meat makes sick.
    Thatīs a fact. Itīs your choice if you want to die a few years before or not.
    Another reason for vegetarians are ethically.

    Those which gives his approval to killing an animal, that which cuts it in pieces, that which kills it, the buyer and the shop assistant, that which prepares it, that which serves it and eats that, - they are named as a butcher of an animal. Since. Where no inquiry exists, there is also no offer.

    If you are willing to let someone die and eat his body, do it. Thatīs the choice everyone has to do.

    An American investigation has shown that only one single person who renounces products from animaly saves 37 animals of unworthy captivity, maltreatment and death in the year. On a whole life distributed make the on an average 2700 animals.

    Why should animals have to die for me if I can live without her death, even considerably healthier?
    Thatīs some of the thoughts vegetarians have.
    Calamity befalls oneself. Like Icarus who fell to earth when his wings were burned by the sun.

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    Yes, and I somewhat agree with them. I am against animal testing and cruelty and those are some words that go through my head. Killing other animals just so that our stupid and selfish human race can live is, the way I see it, pretty sad. Ofcourse I speak of testing drugs on them and such. They suffer for us and get nothing from it, exept death, injected eyes, and a life stuck in a cage. What a waste of nature. Humans live to cause destruction on the environment and other living organisms so I am sure if the animals had the choice they would not choose to die for us, nor would they care if we ceased to exist.

    I am no vegetarian but those are my thoughts, and I think I am now starting to understand why they refuse to eat other species.
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    As far as i'm concerned vegetarians who eat fish are not vegetarian...if you go abroad and ask if stuff is vegetarian you will have to make clear theres also no fish of any kind.

    Once my momz ordered a salad in dubai or something and asked if its vegetarian they said yes but it had crab in it...its not nice


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