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    Now, me and my friends have pretty much been arguing a while now about what's an anime or a simple cartoon.
    I would love it if people cleared the most simple of all questions....if Ben 10 is an anime.
    Ugh, seriously...well I'll leave it to the community to lay down any good facts about what's what and also any good amusing sarcastic remarks also (it's fun).

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    Ben10 would be considered an American Anime [Americ-animation], not a Japanese Anime [Jap-animation].


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    Hehe, thank you. I'll have to print this page though as proof. How could I forget that small difference? I'm losin' it.
    Once again thank you...
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    M'hmm. You're welcome.


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    'Anime' is short for 'Japanese Animation' (to people outside of Japan). If it was made in Japan for Japanese, it's an anime. Otherwise, it's just a cartoon.
    Ben 10 is a cartoon.


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    The cartoon closest to being anime would probably be Avatar, and its creators have said it's not anime but anime-influenced. So I'd say all American (and other non-Japanese) cartoons can't be considered anime if the closest "anime-like" cartoon isn't actually anime.
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    If it is produced by Japan, Directed by Japanese people, and by any means made in Japan altogether then t'is an Anime. If not and was made in American then no it is not, it's a Cartoon.

    In my country the word "Anime" means "Japanese Animation". American nor any other country other than Japan itself can make an Anime. Some American producers seem to think they can pass off a Cartoon for an Anime and then go calling it an "American Anime", but no they cannot.
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    I'm lovin' these answers that I'm seeing so far. Thank you everyone for this, now I have to print all of this out.
    But...I can't help but get the feelin' that this may just end up into a controversial topic....
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    Yeah Ben1o is a cartoon
    And almost every anime character has pretty big eyes
    unlike the cartoons you see on tv
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    Anime is simply the Japanese term used to refer to animation, but has become, more as a slang term than anything else, a means of describing a specific style of animation.

    Where it is made is not as important so much as how well it holds to the general "anime" standards of art form and animation techniques, as well as all the plot qualities which aren't found in other things.

    A cartoon is simply animated drawings, which is undoubtedly what "anime" is. It's just a different word for it.

    Of course, what stirs debate here is more the elitism of people saying "omg it r not anime if et iz nt fm Jap! *proceeds to hump Japan*". If you look at it from a production standpoint, it's the same damn thing.

    Now, does Ben10 itself upload to the general anime standards? Not really. What it does is it mimics the anime style. More or less, it borrows from the art style a bit while maintaining somewhat of the more traditional "American" style. In particular, the motionblur backgrounds which are a common stereotype, spikey hair, pointy noses, strange emoticon style faces, etc.

    On the other hand, a series such as Avatar: The Last Airbender, succeeds in adhereing to the "anime" standards, without "mimicking" it or simply following the stereotypes, per se.

    Oh, and for the record, directed at the post above this, "big eyes" isn't true for all anime, and is more indicative of genre. Anime directed towards older teens and young adults more than likely has somewhat realistic proportions relative to those for younger teenagers, like what you're more likely to see on tv in America or elsewhere.

    Oh, and the general anime style we see today, originating form Osamu Tezuka, was based off of Disney's work anyway.
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    I agree with Chocobo. It has the style of a Japanese anime, so it can't be totally classified as a cartoon. So therefore it is an American anime!

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    Anime and cartoons are the same thing, so I don't think what you and your friends were arguing about. Edit: To everyone saying it has to be from Japan to be anime. LOL@you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Memento Mori View Post
    Anime and cartoons are the same thing, so I don't think what you and your friends were arguing about. Edit: To everyone saying it has to be from Japan to be anime. LOL@you.
    Cartoons usually have a simple and defined plot. And they're usually about the good guys fighting the bad guys. Cartoons rarely go beyond that old cliché. Most Anime series, on the other hand, are also about the same good vs. evil but the plots are rarely simple and rarely predictable. You'll find an element of politics, religion, humanity, and a score of several other abstract concepts within an anime. Whereas cartoons are just about 'evil' cats chasing 'innocent' mice or a hero defending himself and others from a very evil bully. Anime can blur the lines between good and evil so much that you'll be left wondering which side is really right. Look at the plot of Gundam, there aren't any good guys or bad guys. They're both fighting for a cause - a worthy one, and both sides are prepared to do good and evil to achieve their goals. Look at the Wave Country arc of Naruto. Zabuza, evil as he was, had evoked more sympathetic tears than any of the typical Disney antagonists. There are, however, few exceptions to the 'cartoons are simple' rule. There are cartoon series that are far advanced like X-men. In terms of humor, anime goes beyond the slapstick comedy that cartoons offer. There won't be any corny joke about the chicken crossing the road with anime. There won't even be the quintessential banana peal. Anime humor is deep and witty. However, it is to be noted that cartoons are mostly for kids. Anime can be for an adult audience; it mostly is, actually. There are even times when anime plots are hardly suited for children. p.s i didnt write this but its kinda true XP
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    Quote Originally Posted by toibuster View Post
    Cartoons usually have a simple and defined plot. And they're usually about the good guys fighting the bad guys. Cartoons rarely go beyond that old cliché. Most Anime series, on the other hand, are also about the same good vs. evil but the plots are rarely simple and rarely predictable. You'll find an element of politics, religion, humanity, and a score of several other abstract concepts within an anime. Whereas cartoons are just about 'evil' cats chasing 'innocent' mice or a hero defending himself and others from a very evil bully. Anime can blur the lines between good and evil so much that you'll be left wondering which side is really right. Look at the plot of Gundam, there aren't any good guys or bad guys. They're both fighting for a cause - a worthy one, and both sides are prepared to do good and evil to achieve their goals. Look at the Wave Country arc of Naruto. Zabuza, evil as he was, had evoked more sympathetic tears than any of the typical Disney antagonists. There are, however, few exceptions to the 'cartoons are simple' rule. There are cartoon series that are far advanced like X-men. In terms of humor, anime goes beyond the slapstick comedy that cartoons offer. There won't be any corny joke about the chicken crossing the road with anime. There won't even be the quintessential banana peal. Anime humor is deep and witty. However, it is to be noted that cartoons are mostly for kids. Anime can be for an adult audience; it mostly is, actually. There are even times when anime plots are hardly suited for children. p.s i didnt write this but its kinda true XP
    Anime = Animated drawings Cartoons = Animated drawings The fact the plots from both are styled differently doesn't change the fact they are both animated drawings. I've seen cartoons deeper than anime, funnier than anime, more adult than anime. And, Shin Chan is supposed to be an anime, but it's everything you said a cartoon was. O_o;
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    "Anime" means "Animation" in Japanese. But because they call their animations "Anime" in Japan so do we and all other countries. It has just stuck. It is the same story with Hentai. "Hentai" means "Pervert" in Japanese and because they say that it is "Hentai" in Japan, again so do we in other countries. Because if we were to call it its translation name then we would be calling Hentai images "Pervert Images". And how ridiculous would that be?

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    Anime - Japanese for Animated programmes. "Japanese Animation."
    Cartoon - American produced animation. "American Cartoon.

    You cannot call it an American Anime simply because the art looks vaguely similar to a proper Japanese one. If so then I say that it is just a complete rip-off of just trying to follow Japans greatness of animation technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amray View Post
    "Anime" means "Animation" in Japanese. But because they call their animations "Anime" in Japan so do we and all other countries. It has just stuck. It is the same story with Hentai. "Hentai" means "Pervert" in Japanese and because they say that it is "Hentai" in Japan, again so do we in other countries. Because if we were to call it its translation name then we would be calling Hentai images "Pervert Images". And how ridiculous would that be?

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    Anime - Japanese for Animated programmes. "Japanese Animation."
    Cartoon - American produced animation. "American Cartoon.

    You cannot call it an American Anime simply because the art looks vaguely similar to a proper Japanese one. If so then I say that it is just a complete rip-off of just trying to follow Japans greatness of animation technique.
    So, next you're going to say Peach Fuzz isn't a manga because it isn't from Japan. You said it yourself, it's just a different drawing technique! If you look at cartoons today, you can't tell me Popeye and Spongebob have the same drawing technique! So, should we call Popeye something else, rather than a cartoon?!
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    Remember Mori, you an I live in two different countries. Some our words have different meanings.

    And here "Anime" defines "Japanese Animation" and "Cartoon" defines "American Animation". I do not live in the United States therefore you people probably look at it differently because you made Cartoons. I'm going to be honest with you, I have never heard or seen written anywhere the word "American Anime". It's a new one to me and I shall stick by my deffinitions.

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    Anime= Japanese Animation (because Anime stands for "animeshyion"in japanese,while it still has the same pronnounciation as "animation")
    Cartoon= American Animation

    I wanted to type everything out but no....
    It's too long and I don't want people to think that I wrote that.
    I think you all should look at this site.
    I think it explains it quite well.

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    There's a big difference between anime and cartoons. Cartoons do not have much of a story line, the characters feel almost the same two emotions, and you don't get too attached to the characters. There are plenty of other little differences, but those are the main ones. I've never even heard of Ben 10, but if it doesn't have any of those qualifications, then it's an anime.

    I agree with Mori. LOL@those who think anime can only be made in Japan. Anime is a French word, by the way. I actually just started watching Avatar, and that's certainly an anime. Wait, it was made in America, huh?

    I'm going to be honest with you, I have never heard or seen written anywhere the word "American Anime". It's a new one to me and I shall stick by my deffinitions.

    You spell "Favorite", I spell "Favourite". You say "Aluminum", I say "Aluminium". I say "Tomatoe", you say "Tomatoe"......wait that last one doesn't make sense. ^^;
    But we both spell "definition" the same. *HarharhargrammarNazimoment* I actually have family and friends in the UK and um... yeah, they all agree that Americans can make anime o__O;. They also agree that Brits can make anime as well. Everyone can make anime! That's discrimination, saying that only Japanese can make anime. It's like telling African-Americans they can't vote because they have dark skin and dark hair and funny names. You don't want to be discriminatory, do you?

    Oh yeah! Look what I found:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    In Japan, the term does not specify an animation's nation of origin or style; instead, it is used as a blanket term to refer to all forms of animation from around the world.[11][12] In English ((NOT JUST AMERICA)), dictionary sources define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or "a style of animation developed in Japan".[13] Non-Japanese works that borrow stylization from anime is commonly referred to as "anime-influenced animation" but it is not unusual for a viewer who doesn't know the country of origin of such material to refer to it as simply "anime". Some works are co-productions with non-Japanese companies, such as the Cartoon Network and Production I.G series IGPX or Ōban Star-Racers.
    You should actually check out that whole article. It's quite informative. I know some of you love to be like the Japanese, so how about you use the word "anime" as a blanket term :3.
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    Dictionary sources define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or "a style of animation developed in Japan".[13] Non-Japanese works that borrow stylization from anime is commonly referred to as "anime-influenced animation"

    You will never guess where I get most of my definitions from. A good old English Dictionary! Not the internet. And it also clearly states in that little article of yours that;

    "Non-Japanese works that borrow stylization from anime is commonly referred to as "anime-influenced animation".

    Therefore this "Ben10" or whatever and "Avatar" are not Anime's. They are "Anime-Influenced Animation". Just as it clearly states in that paragraph.
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    wow this one heck of a debate too bad i dont have much to add you guys said pretty much everything thats needed to say, well beside this, anime is a very vague word that has too many possibly definition to it so in the end its up to the veiwers own opinion to decide rather it is or not. Me personally Ben10 meerly just mimicks the style but everything else is just american and Ben 10 isnt really that great. The only American animation I find good is Megas XLR though it does use some anime styles it still remain original and funny oh and the old X men and spider man cartoon from the early 90's they were awesome and years ahead of any other american animation all the character had depth and their own unique personality loved how X men didnt focus on just one character. Oh I just realize why many cartoon suck they try way too hard to be hip, tight, cool, or what ever slang you wanna use to attract younger viewer which just make them look very stupid.

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    Most people dont use the word anime for what some of you say is its' literal meaning, they use it to describe japanese made cartoons , just because anime might mean any kind of animation doesnt mean ben 10 and avatar are animes, as amray said, they are anime-influenced cartoons, not animes they look kind of like animes but arent , when this question was asked I highly doubt he meant in its' literal sense but more along the lines of what I said at the beginning
    and pengin, dont bring racism into this, that just screws everything up , it isnt racist to say only japanese can make anime, they started it they're the best at it, so it isn't racist to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amray View Post
    Dictionary sources define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or "a style of animation developed in Japan".[13] Non-Japanese works that borrow stylization from anime is commonly referred to as "anime-influenced animation"

    You will never guess where I get most of my definitions from. A good old English Dictionary! Not the internet. And it also clearly states in that little article of yours that;
    Guess where I get my definitions from? The Internet : D! However, I see that little thirteen there. That's from Wikipedia ^_~! It may be developed in Japan, but that's not the strict rule. That's discrimination... against your own kind! Anyone can make anime, there is no rule against it.

    I've noticed a big gap in the anime community. Those who love Japan and believe that they can only make good stuff, and those who just want their damn anime. Obviously your way of thinking is the former, and I'll respect that completely. I'll continue to watch my Avatar, and you can just limit your possibilities. I'm sure the Japanese don't mind at all when Americans make anime either. I just find it sad to find out that I could never make an anime because I'm American, and I feel sad for those whose dreams are shattered for ever wanting to make an anime. No wonder they want to be Japanese.

    I should mention something like this in the podcast!

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    Ummm, not really sure. >.> It has that style, but it doesn't quite have the charm I get from anime done by Japanese. But if some people like it and want to call it anime, then it really doesn't bother me.
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    penquin, calm down. There's no need to get that worked up over the issue. Also, you're stereotyping those of us who are more strict in our "anime definitions". No, I do not consider Avatar an anime (especially since its CREATORS said it was not, and I'll take their word over anyone else's, obviously), but I still love Avatar. Just because we don't consider something an anime doesn't mean we hate it. My top animation lists would include a ton of cartoons (Simpsons, Batman: TAS, Samurai Jack, Futurama, Avatar, original Rugrats from the early 90's, etc.). Don't lump us all into one mindset.
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