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    For those of you who don't know, Barack Obama is in fact half white and half black.
    The fact that he is referred to as a black person speaks volumes for the idiot media. Apparently they see see lighter skin pigments as a recessive when what we really see is a hybrid.

    If it's legitimate to say that Obama would be the first black president, it would be legitimate to say that he will be just another white president.

    So anyway, what would you call an Obama?

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    That is exactly what I was saying. If he gets elected, he'll be the first black president. But I think the only reason hes winning right now is because no one wants to elect a woman whos mean, in my own perspective.

    But for the question, I have no clue. I'll say half black, half white.
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    First of all, no human can be a hybrid. A hybrid is an interbreeding between two different species.

    Secondly, the concept of human races are pretty much unfounded in reality. It's politics, not biology. There is not one, but at least three "black" races. There is not one, but what? Five or six "white" races. One of them is Caucasian, which is a very distinct eastern European group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (_YvOnSo_) View Post
    That is exactly what I was saying. If he gets elected, he'll be the first black president. But I think the only reason hes winning right now is because no one wants to elect a woman whos mean, in my own perspective.
    This has nothing to do with Hillary or women. It is about Obama's whiteness and blackitude.

    But for the question, I have no clue. I'll say half black, half white.
    The question designed to be similar to the "half empty/half full" questions, but it already has some cop-outs for those who need it.

    Half black/half white is long winded.

    Also, why do you say half black/half white rather than half white/half black? Does this mean his blackness comes first?

    Hybrid is a safer cop-out.

    First of all, no human can be a hybrid. A hybrid is an interbreeding between two different species.
    In my biology book in the genetics section, it used hybrid to refer to certain gene combinations such as Blond + Black = Brown, where the mixed genes essentially created a mix rather than having patches of each, or having one gene simply dominate.
    I see that as a legitimate use of the word, seeing has how we call car's "hybrid" for simply having two different fuel sources.
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    Okay, it's kinda like saying is grey more black or more white. If I could vote I would choose Obama, because...I really don't like Hillary. And McCain really isn't that much into the voting league.

    Another thing, this might sound a tad bit racist, and please, forgive me if it does--not meant to be racist. Barak Obama doesn't even sound African American, or even Caucasian, but to me, it sounds more or less like an Iraqi name, and both of my parents agree...

    Anyway, if I were forced to choose if he was half-black or half-white, I would say it depends on if his mother was black or white. That's how I've always determined it, and that's how my family has always determined it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocobo View Post
    Anyway, if I were forced to choose if he was half-black or half-white, I would say it depends on if his mother was black or white. That's how I've always determined it, and that's how my family has always determined it.
    His mother is, as Barack puts it, "a typical white woman".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    His mother is, as Barack puts it, "a typical white woman".
    Then I'd say he's Half-White. A lot of people base their looks on their mother, but I guess guys look more like their father...

    If he looks like his dad more than his mom, then he's Half-Black...it just all boils down to which parent he resembles more...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    In my biology book in the genetics section, it used hybrid to refer to certain gene combinations such as Blond + Black = Brown, where the mixed genes essentially created a mix rather than having patches of each, or having one gene simply dominate.
    Either way, you can't be a hybrid between black and white because black and white are not part of a proper taxon. You need to separate between race (biology) and race (politics).

    Applying hybrid to cars is a neologism.
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    Simple - half caste.

    I'm honestly surprised to find out this is pretty much a UK only word, and that the US doesn't have a word for it.

    *EDIT* In fact, how about just mixed race?
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    I would say he's black because it will do a lot of good in restoring America's international image to have a non-white guy as President. Unfortunately though, it seems like the Democrats are going to self destruct themselves since Hillary hasn't given in.

    Roll on McCain. x.x

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    He looks pretty liberal in my opinion.

     
    Yes, I'm aware this topic is about his race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number Six View Post
    Either way, you can't be a hybrid between black and white because black and white are not part of a proper taxon. You need to separate between race (biology) and race (politics).

    Applying hybrid to cars is a neologism.
    There are two meanings for "hybrid" in Biology.
    Like you said, one meaning can be used to refer to hybrid races, like mules.
    It can also be referring to the alleles that make up the genotype and phenotype of an organism.
    White Rose + Red Rose = Pink Rose (Hybrid)
    WW + RR = WR

    In this case, Wio is questioning the alleles that make up the skin colors in humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    If it's legitimate to say that Obama would be the first black president, it would be legitimate to say that he will be just another white president.

    So anyway, what would you call an Obama?
    Good point, but back in the old days (and to a lesser extent, today), if any part of your ancestry was "black," you were in fact "black."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocobo View Post
    Then I'd say he's Half-White. A lot of people base their looks on their mother, but I guess guys look more like their father...

    If he looks like his dad more than his mom, then he's Half-Black...it just all boils down to which parent he resembles more...
    Well, logically a man will always resemble a father more (from my perspective), so that would make him half-black again.

    However it was his mother that truly raised him, and it's said that his father was not around often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenblade
    I would say he's black because it will do a lot of good in restoring America's international image to have a non-white guy as President. Unfortunately though, it seems like the Democrats are going to self destruct themselves since Hillary hasn't given in.

    Roll on McCain. x.x
    That's what makes this a unique case. I think it would be legitimate to call him another white president if one believed so.

    To be honest, McCain and Obama aren't that polarized as logical as it would be to assume. McCain is slowly promising to decrease the amount of time he plans to be in there, and the democrats are become more "realistic" so to speak with how long it would take them to pull the troops out or do whatever they intend to do. Everything other than that is pure liberal politics. McCain isn't actually conservative, in fact the war is the only thing he uses to gain conservative support and the war in itself isn't actually a conservative standpoint (neoconservative or imperialist is more like it).

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    I call him.........."THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!" Why you ask? Well in all those apocalyptic, or end of the world movies that I seen the President was always either a black man or a woman.........AHAHAHAHA!!!!! I guess the same can be said about Hillary too huh? But joking aside I say he's just a normal man that has good intention for the country just like Hillary. Skin color and gender shouldnt really matter it depend on who's got the better character that peOple want in their leader........2012 the year the next Presidents term ends and also the rumored year of the APOCALYPSE!!!!!!!! LOL sorry just couldnt help it since the Presidentcy and the apocalypse coincide too perfectly together LOL. Im surprised I havent heard anybody bring this up yet LOL.

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    He's mulatto.

    I don't know, it seems kind of racist to divide him up into x amount this race and x amount that, and this is greater than that. Not necessarily in this particular thread, to be honest this is an unimportant blip, but in the media and on the campaign trail. By dividing him up into race and which one is more important, it only serves to dehumanize him.

    Same with Hilary, "Oh, she's a WOMAN running for PRESIDENT, how PROGRESSIVE! HEY LOOK EVERYONE, A WOMAN IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!" It starts to be the only thing people recognize, and it overshadows any points they may make, be they good or bad. It's not necessarily a bad thing politically if it gets them votes, but to me it just seems to be as racially or sexually ignorant as not allowing either of them to run by virtue of their race or gender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke23 View Post
    Same with Hilary, "Oh, she's a WOMAN running for PRESIDENT, how PROGRESSIVE! HEY LOOK EVERYONE, A WOMAN IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!" It starts to be the only thing people recognize, and it overshadows any points they may make, be they good or bad. It's not necessarily a bad thing politically if it gets them votes, but to me it just seems to be as racially or sexually ignorant as not allowing either of them to run by virtue of their race or gender.

    Well duh. Who looks at whether or not the president will lead us to the future positively? I would say more about our current president, but it'd just be off-topic.

    I agree though. I find most people (at least where I live) are going to vote for one of the two for the sheer fact of race or gender. I'll vote for some old white guy before even considering those two if I didn't like them. In my opinion, Obama is the lesser of the two evils. A lot of people try to put up the argument that he's a terrorist, but that sounds like a load of BS to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    In my biology book in the genetics section, it used hybrid to refer to certain gene combinations such as Blond + Black = Brown, where the mixed genes essentially created a mix rather than having patches of each, or having one gene simply dominate.
    Pay more attention in biology class. A hybrid is the offspring of two organisms, one of which is homozygous dominant, the other homozygous recessive. The offspring is heterozygous, with one dominant gene and one recessive gene. The concept you are talking about is incomplete dominance. The word "hybrid" would not apply in this context, because even if we simplified the socio-political concept of race into skin color, the phenotype displayed is due to a number of genes- there is no "white" gene vs. "black" gene. Skin color is much more complex then that.

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    who the hell gave me a bad reputation for saying im voting for mccain? way to be biased, liberal bastard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    To be honest, McCain and Obama aren't that polarized as logical as it would be to assume. McCain is slowly promising to decrease the amount of time he plans to be in there, and the democrats are become more "realistic" so to speak with how long it would take them to pull the troops out or do whatever they intend to do. Everything other than that is pure liberal politics. McCain isn't actually conservative, in fact the war is the only thing he uses to gain conservative support and the war in itself isn't actually a conservative standpoint (neoconservative or imperialist is more like it).
    Plus he is extremely anti-abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yujiro Hanma View Post
    who the hell gave me a bad reputation for saying im voting for mccain? way to be biased, liberal bastard.
    Well, you did go into a thread that has little to nothing to do with McCain, and then said "McCain Ftw". It's spam by definition.
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    How to make Hillary's head explode: The Obama and Chelsea Clinton Dream Ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    Pay more attention in biology class.
    It's in my biology book, so shut your irreverent trap before you make another one of your idiotic assumptions for the sake some cheap flame bait. Even MetalKnight understood what I was saying, and when all is said and done the argument is STILL splitting hairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ollie
    Plus he is extremely anti-abortion.
    McCain on Abortion
    This is from an "I'm feeling lucky" search.
    He ended up voting yes on partial birth abortions, he allows exceptions, and he'd only punish the doctors.

    So to say he's extremely anti-abortion is a bit extreme.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke
    I don't know, it seems kind of racist to divide him up into x amount this race and x amount that, and this is greater than that. Not necessarily in this particular thread, to be honest this is an unimportant blip, but in the media and on the campaign trail. By dividing him up into race and which one is more important, it only serves to dehumanize him.
    To be honest, it's really been irritating me that Obama is referred to as a black, but not white, guy. It makes it seem that white heritage it unworthy of mention when black heritage exists. This is also reflected in the fact that there is a Black History Month, but no other ethnic group gets their own month.
    Though that, just like Women's month, can probably be attributed to the fact that NAACP and Feminism are the loudest civil rights groups in America.

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    My two cents on McCain: My friend who went to graduate school in Arizona liked McCain while she lived there, one of the main reasons because at the time he was for abortion. So I'd agree with Wio on that issue.

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    Hm, I heard otherwise. Obviously should have researched it more thoroughly beforehand!
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