People can love anyone they want!...except family

[Hideki Motosuwa.]

I don't know much of the world or anything. And I haven't experienced the REAL part of life, so I can't answer the question in the smartest of ways. Anyways, I think it's okay, just as someone stated above, everyone has freedom, but if it's against the law, then obviously you can't do it. Homosexuality is okay, just as long as nobody of the same gender hits on me. And incest is, well...actually, I have nothing to say on incest. >.>

[Trisseh]

I was thinking whether there was something I could do to change or help the fact that it is illegal. But so far I've got nothing.

[Ridana]

In answer to the OP: There is a reason that these things are debated, because people's ethics and beliefs differ. Some of those beliefs are more grounded in facts and logic... but that's another argument entirely.
When it comes to homosexuality vs. incest, it is an apples vs. oranges argument. On the one hand you have someone who is attracted to members of their own gender (roughly 50% of the world population either way) and they just want to have the freedom to choose their mate from the 50% they are attracted to. On the other hand you have someone who is still attracted to the opposite gender, however they have specifically developed a relationship with one individual from that 50% to whom they are related. They still have potential mates outside of their bloodline that they could be attracted to, that are still legal.

Long story short on that: Since the two relationships (homosexual vs. incestuous) are not similar, I would say that you have no ethical or logical dilemma allowing one and making the other illegal. Not that I'm saying it necessarily should be, and where you draw the line on incest is still contested.

Now, since I just LOVE to muddy-up the ethical waters....

The primary defense of bans on incestuous relationships is the potential for genetic defects in the offspring, as there is a greater likelihood of common recessive alleles pairing between relatives. If two siblings/cousins/whatever have a similar recessive gene that is not displayed because they also carry a healthy dominant gene, then the chances of them producing offspring with the double recessive is 25%.(The possibilities being listed here in paternal/maternal fashion)
25% - dominant/dominant = no genetic issue
25% - dominant/recessive = no genetic issue
25% - recessive/dominant = no genetic issue
25% - recessive/recessive = offspring suffers from genetic defect

Now, let's say you have two NON-related individuals with a genetic disease, Down's Syndrome for example, and they want to get married and have children. Since they both carry the double-recessive, the chances of their offspring suffering from the disease is 100%.

If you have an issue with incest (between legal adults, not parent-child or adult-minor, which are predatory issues) shouldn't you have 4 times the issue with the Down's Syndrome couple? Should they be sterilized? Do they not have the reproductive rights of healthy citizens because they have a disease that they never did anything to contract? Would limiting their reproductive rights be tatamount to instituting a eugenics program? Would that be wrong?

For those ready to flip out, notice that I have not given my opinion on any of these questions, my questions do not lead to a conclusion, and I have no intention of giving my answers to these questions.

[Trisseh]

Does anyone know if it's legal anywhere? @_@

[jakun_kenpachi]

This is very intriguing indeed. Personal i think there is a big reason why people don't want incest, because of birth defects.

[███]

The only real way to solve this issue is to ban sex all together. I am all for that.

[Wio]

Why make this topic if you can't even differentiate between love and sex?


How is love even an appropriate word for the topic? It seems to be more about "Of which romantic relationships should society approve?".


When talking about love, you can love anything. Since humans aren't perfectly logical, the only prerequisite is that it exists.

[Akihiko Yamamoto Hozagaki]

Sure o_O;. They have the right. Everyone has the right to love. I may not agree with it, but who am I to judge? I'm not them. As long as it's consensual, I think it's just fine. I mean there are health problems if a baby were to be born, but that's their decision.

[allaboutyou3678]

I have no problem with gay people. I will admit though due to underexposure to them seeing a gay couple is a little bit awkward at first yet I'm not bothered by it. You can love anyone you want yes. Its true you can. Although if you wanna kiss your cousin then prepare for a special child in need of extra lovin. You know what couples I do have a problem with though, those couples who allow each other to sleep around.

[Eris]

I don't really have an issue with incest as such, so long as proper precaution is taken so that there can't be a child (eg. sterilization). Homosexuality is a victimless "crime", so that I have absolutely no issues with, but I'm having trouble seeing how purposely creating genetically defective children for entertainment can be justifiable.

Ridana: I do have issues with downs syndrome couples as well.

[pyrothunder336]

I believe all nations should allow anyone to love/have sex with anyone they please to. That is their business and we as people have no right to judge. As long as each person in the relationship knows what they are getting into, there shouldn't be a law saying who they can and can't have a relationship with.

[Inactive Account 0061]

Love doesn't exist in my world xD!

[DaSOCOM]

The only real way to solve this issue is to ban sex all together. I am all for that.

Somebody's never gotten laid before...ban sex all together and I will happily join in the sudden uprising of...oh...EVERYBODY against your tyrannical and self-destructive government.

As far as the incest debate it's pretty much all about the genetics issue. However, I know that as recently as the late 1700's-early 1800's incestous relationships were culturally accepted, even in the US. Edgar Allen Poe married his teenage cousin when he was in his mid-twenties.

Me personally? I don't want the incestuous couples reproducing simply because of the chance for physical defects in their offspring as well as the possibility of the rest of the world not accepting the child's origins and causing mental strain to the young retard.

As far as every other relationship, be it gay, Dom/Sub, whatever; go ahead kids. I actually approve of homosexual relationships more than I do most heterosexual relationships, although I am a happy hetero myself. This is due more to the fact that homosexuals have an almost non-existant chance for an accidental pregnancy, thus reducing the chance for more retards to be born. I think we've got enough retards on this planet already, we don't need any more. And if you're offended by that statement then I consider you too a retard.

Peace,
DaSOCOM

[demonplight]

The only real way to solve this issue is to ban sex all together. I am all for that.

Yeah, and what replace it with chocolate? No, just no.

How about if you want to... get "fixed". if you want children adopt?
solve 2 problems.

[Ridana]

Does anyone know if it's legal anywhere? @_@

I am assuming you are speaking of incest, and that depends how you look at it...

Since the "legal" definition of incest defines its very illegality, the answer would be "no". That being said, the common-use of the term to describe an intimate relationship with a blood-relative would have it's legality vary depending on where YOU draw the line of what falls under the term.

Now to put that in english...
If YOU (personallly) only defined incest as brother/sister or parent/child, then I can pretty much guarantee you that YOUR definition of incest is defined as illegal all throughout the U.S.
If YOU (personally) extended that definition to include 1st cousins, then YOUR definition of incest is illegal in MOST of the U.S.
If YOU (personally) extended that definition to further include 2nd cousins and beyond, then YOUR definition of incest includes relationships that are LEGAL in MOST of the U.S.

Your best bet: If someone is closer to you than a 3rd cousin or a "once removed", check your state laws before you go out on a date.

[qG.Shogun]

Ofcourse the most things are good for me Homosexuality,Lesbians,Bisexuality i don't care as long those people are happy its fine right?

But like father and daughter things thats just to disgusting for words those people should just get a life time and other wise Mother and Son.

But if a Homosexuality should try to hit on me i gotta admit i would all go crazy i wouldt accept it but i accept there choice.

[Datenshi]

In Japan marrying your first cousin is and has been perfectly legally and ethically acceptable. The time when you could make knee-jerk ethical assessments going by whatever cultural norms you chanced to be born into is obsolete, I'd think.

So what do I think? In theory homosexuality and incest is equally morally admissible under a democratic state. At least, I see nothing that points to the contrary within the ideology that currently happens to be in fashion.

However, I'd like to point out that incest, as opposed to homosexuality, simply isn't practical. Modern civilization as we know it is still built to revolve around a network of blood-related social cells we call family. In my view, accepting incest-based relationships would clash with the already existing social structure of modern society and the legal system which lays its foundation upon it, such as parental obligation, or succession of property.

So I suppose what I want to say is that our society still isn't ready for change to that extent, idealogically or socially. However, maybe in some Gibson-ian postmodern future where even nuclear families start to break down and disperse altogether (feh, some would maintain it's already coming to happen) such sexual freedom would be plausible, and only then.

On an unrelated note, would anybody be kind enough to tell me how exactly Pay to Post works?

[Hypergraphian]

The only real way to solve this issue is to ban sex all together. I am all for that.

Hahahaha.... We can probably start a new thread for this discussion on a whole different level, a poll perhaps on whether or not people can live without it. That'd be interesting to know, exactly how much self restraint people on AF have.

Ok, way out of topic over here. Anyway, just to provide a bit of insight to incestual relationships, in older cultures, incestual marriage was often practiced to maintain the family genes and wealth. Of course this was before they found out the risks of birth defects and the like, but yes. There was a lot of in-breeding going around and it was viewed as acceptable. The only reason why this is wrong now is because we know what the risks are and the risks are high. My stand is that the love isn't wrong, but producing offspring with birth defects overule the love factor. Hence, I don't support it.

[poison.ivy]

Okay, here I go...
Homosexuality and the likes is okay. There's nothing wrong with two guys or girls in love or with a guy who likes guys and girls or....*gasp* you get my point.
Incest is relative.
Let's say a twin brother and sister fell in love. It actually happens often, cuz of that twin-relationship thing. If it's a platonic love, tho I can't understand it, I don't think it's too bad. But if they're doing it, now that's a problem cuz they could make a baby and all that.
Mother-son or father-daughter and the likes are NOT okay cuz I doubt that a boy or a girl is completely aware of what they're doing, not to mention that they+re probably just admiring their parents. And imagine a 13-year old girl pregnant-with her dad. Not okay.
Point is, people should be allowed to love who ever they want, but when we're talking about incest, we're talking about sex. And that's NOT love.
Sex is not love!

[Trisseh]

But sex usually follows after love (or it should, after I mean) so incestuous couples can't enjoy that?
Again, back to the condom/pill/vasectomy thing

[DaSOCOM]

But sex usually follows after love (or it should, after I mean) so incestuous couples can't enjoy that?

Again, back to the condom/pill/vasectomy thing

First of all, who said anything about love and sex coinciding? It's good to have anonymous, NSA flings. And frequently!! Why does she need to know my name, anyway? If she's screaming it, she's probably faking it. Ugh, if you are in love and having sex...you need to have an affair and quick. You're missing the whole point of the act.

And yes, incestuous couples cannot enjoy that. We've got enough retards on this planet as it is, there are some risks that we should not take. If you want to experiment, buy a hooker. If you're in love with your sister, shoot yourself.

Peace,
DaSOCOM

[Eris]

The only real way to solve this issue is to ban sex all together. I am all for that.

Why? Sex isn't the problem, babies is, so the obvious course of action is to ban babies instead. Once a day, we have some guy drive by the maternal ward at the hospital, throw all babies in a truck, and burn them in a huge pile.

Free sex without consequences!

[jakun_kenpachi]

HEY everyone had their shot at Blasphemous Feind so lets leave it at what is is and continue with the talk as it should be going, ok?
Normally is say let people do as they wish as long as it don't step on others rights, but this can, their children if any, and thus i must say i am against it! End of discussion for me for awhile.

[allaboutyou3678]

Why? Sex isn't the problem, babies is, so the obvious course of action is to ban babies instead. Once a day, we have some guy drive by the maternal ward at the hospital, throw all babies in a truck, and burn them in a huge pile.

Free sex without consequences!

I second this motion we should ban babies. It would be the solution to all of the worlds problem and all the diseaese. dead people can't go to war or have cancer.

[Sanosuke23]

Things are slipping predictably into the childish/inane.

I say go for it, 25% is not a guaranteed handicapped baby, and nobility in numerous countries did it for centuries to preserve their bloodline's purity. They clearly survived.

Honestly, I'm more against the mentally handicapped having children with anyone than siblings having children together.

I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't allow the same for the parent/child case, provided that they're both consenting adults.