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    I'd still have to say.. Nothing, dur-duh-dur!!

    If nothing existed there cant in any way shape form color place and language be something there unless you're talking about an empty space or a paradox or simply an empty void, but if nothing existed.. Those wouldn't either.

    And the people talking about the definition of nothing..

    If we never existed and same as everything else, then the word nothing wouldn't exist nor have a definition.

    And no offence to any religious beliefs, god isn't proven to really exist. You cant see or touch it either so you cant know it's there. And if nothing is there, the belief of god wouldn't exist either. Fact or fiction wouldn't exist and nor would religion. If nothing existed, the spiritual plain wouldn't exist either. Just looking at the scientific view of it, no offence.
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    I hear a lot of people said "nothing will exist you dummy" (or think). Well aside from agreeing, allowing me to re-word this question.

    Is it possible for nothing to exist?

    Now you're going to say "yes, you dummy".

    So don't. Be more philosophical, instead of skeptical.

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    A white empty space.................

    Of course that couldn't exist either sooooooooooooo

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    Seriously nothing will exist. Everything is made up of atoms. Nothing exist means no atoms. Thus it would be a vacuum with a temperature of 0 Kelvin and no pressure. At least this is according to human understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KP4 View Post
    Seriously nothing will exist. Everything is made up of atoms. Nothing exist means no atoms. Thus it would be a vacuum with a temrature of 0 Kelvin and no pressure. At least this is according to human understanding.

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    If something Happen that possibly mad the world not exist, turn into darkness, etc. I would love my Family as much as I can, until the last Moment, that's all that would be left.


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    After thinking this through what will exist is:

    1) Wozniak making great stuff
    2) Jobs having no one to sell them to
    3) Gates copying them
    4) Ballmer jumping around

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    I'm sure someone already covered this point, but I'm tired, and it's four pages of basically philosophy to read through, late on a Friday night where I'm more likely to doze off watching tv than say anything profound.

    Nothing exists. Spot the missing punctuation in that sentence, and it might make sense.

    Basically, since "nothing" is a concept, it is therefore something, and therefore, the concept of "nothing" is actually paradoxical. Therefore, what we experience everyday includes "nothing" existing.

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    This is right up my street. (I LOVE PHYSICS)

    Right the definition of nothing states that nothing is the absence of all things i.e. Things we see hear feel taste and smell. So hence nothing is a place without something. But b catagorizing calling nothin nothing does that not make it a something as it has a name. Then there is the idea that "is darkness the absence of light or light the absence of dark" if you can figure that out PM me. What I am trying to say is that by being nothing nothing is in fact something.

    Which is more or less what Momokachan said
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    Sorry to disappoint some of you, but 'darkness' and 'white space' count as something.
    Nothing does not include anything.
    So, I guess no existence whatsoever.

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    Confusing questions wouldnt exist....

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    This is a stupid question.

    Nothing will be there to begin with.
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    ok, listen.

    Existence is a product of consciousness. Consider quantum physics. When we observe an electron, its superposition collapses to something we can process in our minds. Now, if we apply that principle to every particle that has a waveform (everything in existence), then we can say that everything we say is only an interpretation of our minds. Take for example, Shroedinger's cats.

    He theoretically placed a cat in a box with a deadly posion, which would be released by the decay of a radioactive compound. Now, when the box is closed, we have no idea whether the cat is dead, alive, or in between. The cat is in a superposition, that is to say it exists as more than one entity at the same moment in time. Now, when we open the box, the superposition collapses, and we see whether the cat is dead or not. We can say that, when we are not observing the cat, it is dead, alive, and in between. This sounds hard to believe, but the trick is, that we cannot observe the cat, without collapsing the superposition. These superpositions and waveforms have been proven to exist. This applies to this nothingness as follows:

    If there was nothingness, we would simply not be perceiving anything, and everything would exist in a state of superposition. So, nothing, is in fact, everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alarix View Post
    Now before you reply with "nothing... duh" (like what the last person I asked said to me), think about it.

    Imagine if nothing existed. No darkness. No space. No emptyness. No pizza.

    Something has to exist, right...?
    A void.

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    Here's another related question which philosophers have debated on: Is it possible for something to "always" exist?

    So did the world always exist or did it go bang and there it is. Then if so it means that it was possible for nothing to exist.

    ie If God made the world, then who made God etc.

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    I used to think about this all the time. I eventually came to this conclusion...

    There would simply be... nothing. If there's nothing, there's no people. If there's no people, there's no consciousness. Therefore.. there's simply nothing.

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    think of this as a limit, with a hole in the line. where as we can tell what is going on until we are very very close, at the point we have no idea, not a clue. that is the math part.
    as for the philosophical part their would be no energy, no time, and no matter. in addition to nothing, their would be no concept of nothing. no idea, nor anyone to create the thought of the form something, and the subsequent nothing. so to be honest a universe of nothing cannot exist, because nothing is a concept like 0 where their has to be someone to give the label nothing, to the concept, or lack their of. savy?

    also something cannot come from nothing, with our current understanding of the universe.
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    think of this as a limit, with a hole in the line. where as we can tell what is going on until we are very very close, at the point we have no idea, not a clue. that is the math part.
    as for the philosophical part their would be no energy, no time, and no matter. in addition to nothing, their would be no concept of nothing. no idea, nor anyone to create the thought of the form something, and the subsequent nothing. so to be honest a universe of nothing cannot exist, because nothing is a concept like 0 where their has to be someone to give the label nothing, to the concept, or lack their of. savy?

    also something cannot come from nothing, with our current understanding of the universe.
    So you're implying that it is possible for something to always exist.

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    yes. because so long as you use always as a standard of measurement there is a possibility. because always refers to time in the reference eternal. and time is a product of movement or kinetic energy. so the less matter their is in the universe the less energy there is, so the less movement. as a result time will shift. and begin to slow down in respect to our relation to time. so at any point unless all matter disappears at once, there will be one sub atomic particle. at that moment time will be so skewed that it could survive for indeterminable amount of time. in addition because of this event either in creation, of destruction intelligent life will no longer exist to give the concept time definition. it is difficult for me to explain, but I hope that I did it right. but it is near absolute, to humane reasoning that something cannot come from nothing. so in this if the universe started at a point where all math breaks down, their has to be some thing out there that introduced matter first, and that then introduced energy as a result and time following. this event is called the big bang. if you take Adam, and Eve out of the Bible, Genesis does hint of this event.
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