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    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    In science, a theory is an idea that has no proof. Some evidence to suggest it, but no solid proof.
    No, what you are describing is a conjecture or possibly a hypothesis.

    I sincerely urge you to do some fact checking before you start pushing your misunderstandings as truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    In science, a theory is an idea that has no proof. Some evidence to suggest it, but no solid proof.
    I would be willing to bet that you believe the theory of gravity.. despite what you may believe this almost universally accepted theory falls in the same category as evolution and the big bang; Despite whatever your local reverend may say..


    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    I sincerely urge you to do some fact checking before you start pushing your misunderstandings as truth.
    And everyone else as well..

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    If you think about it there is no such thing as nothing.
    When you think of nothing you either think of white space or eternal darkness.
    Well arn't those something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazerra
    If you think about it there is no such thing as nothing.
    When you think of nothing you either think of white space or eternal darkness.
    Well arn't those something?
    We do not know the 'true' definition of "nothing" because if we didn't exist, then we would have no conciousness, thus we would not be able to define "nothing" or see "nothing." We imagine non-existence and unconciousness, but we cannot experience "nothing" in the way the topic has asked.

    My conclusion: There is such as "nothing": humanity has yet to witness and define "nothing." We may never be able to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alarix View Post
    Now before you reply with "nothing... duh" (like what the last person I asked said to me), think about it.

    Imagine if nothing existed. No darkness. No space. No emptyness. No pizza.

    Something has to exist, right...?
    Your question dosent make sence. How can something exist if nothing exist. The only logic answer is nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager View Post
    I would be willing to bet that you believe the theory of gravity.. despite what you may believe this almost universally accepted theory falls in the same category as evolution and the big bang; Despite whatever your local reverend may say..
    I'm not Roman Catholic. Agnostic.

    If they had proof of the Big Bang, the church would be out the window by now.

    The Theory of Gravity is in question. It doesn't matter if it's universally accepted, that's just belief, and science doesn't revolve around belief. It revolves around fact.

    For instance, many textbooks claim that the moon revolves around the Earth. This is universally accepted, is it not?
    However, if the Theory of Gravity were true, it would show that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is more powerful than the Earth's gravitational force on the moon, and therefore, the moon should be revolving around the sun, not the Earth.
    [see here for more details]

    But, we have examined the moon very closely and it indeed revolves around the Earth. The theory of Gravity has holes, because it has not been entirely proven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wing Man View Post
    I don't know, god or something like that.
    If god even exists, it isnt relevant here. Because God is not of the phsical plain that we can interact with. If nothing existed it would be complete darkness. Because darkness isn't a "thing" per say, but it is the absence of light.


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    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    I'm not Roman Catholic. Agnostic.

    If they had proof of the Big Bang, the church would be out the window by now.

    The Theory of Gravity is in question. It doesn't matter if it's universally accepted, that's just belief, and science doesn't revolve around belief. It revolves around fact.

    For instance, many textbooks claim that the moon revolves around the Earth. This is universally accepted, is it not?
    However, if the Theory of Gravity were true, it would show that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is more powerful than the Earth's gravitational force on the moon, and therefore, the moon should be revolving around the sun, not the Earth.
    [see here for more details]

    But, we have examined the moon very closely and it indeed revolves around the Earth. The theory of Gravity has holes, because it has not been entirely proven.
    There's a simple reason that the sun doesn't rip the moon away from the Earth. The gravitational force is directly related to the masses of the two (or more, but we'll keep it simpler for now) objects in question, yes, but the force is also inversely proprtional to the distance (the distance squared actually, if I remember right [EDIT: I did.]) between the two objects. So even though the sun has a much greater mass, than the Earth, the moon orbits the Earth because it is much nearer.

    I will add the equation as soon as I find it - my physics book is in the other room right now.
    [EDIT] Here's the simpler equation to describe approximately circular orbits. It's pretty much the same as Newton's equation for any circular motion, but incorporating the objects' masses and seperation distance (as the theory of gravity dictates).
    {F = ((G)(M)(m)(v^2))/(R^2)} where F = gravitational force, G = the universal gravitational constant (=6.673x10^(-11)), M and m = the objects' respective masses, v^2 represents the velocity squared, and R^2 is the objects' seperation distance squared.

    The only was you could ever say the theory of gravity isn't accurate is if you were using some of the older, simpler equations (like the one I used above) to try to predict some of the more eccentric orbits. The theory of gravity, as it is, is sound.
    Try again.
    [EDIT] Reading up a bit, I didn't find "the Theory of Gravity" but, rather, the "Law of Universal Gravitation," implying that one might not have to defend the definition of a scientific theory to defend gravity. A law is something that, over time, observed to be true. The only deduction(s) would be mathematical.

    As for the TOPIC of the thread, we would not see anything, not even darkness. The universe would either be zero dimensional (like a geometric point) or simply cease to exist. Our sensory organs (and brains processing the signals/nerve impulses from them) would not be able to cope with such a radical change in environment, not to mention we'd be long dead seeing as we're three dimensional (four, if you consider time) creatures. We can contemplate nothing, but we can't really observe or experience it (as Leorina said, though it can be defined abstractly).
    God (as in any deity) would also not exist, regardless of it's state now. If God is there now, then it will not be in "nothing," as it is something. If God is a social doctrine, then it will not exist as the societies may not exist. If it is a thought in one's mind, then God will be gone as one may not think absent the necessary tissues and organs, which are invariably composed of matter, and so won't exist. This is not to (any) challenge religion; it is merely what the abstract concept of nothing implies would be (or wouldn't).
    (The only way any god/deity would still exist were if that god were actually defined as the state of existence itself. I don't know of any religion with such a definition for any deity, but that doesn't mean there isn't such a belief system. If there is, would someone be kind enough to let me know what it is called? I'd really appreciate it...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    For instance, many textbooks claim that the moon revolves around the Earth. This is universally accepted, is it not?
    However, if the Theory of Gravity were true, it would show that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is more powerful than the Earth's gravitational force on the moon, and therefore, the moon should be revolving around the sun, not the Earth.
    [see here for more details]
    What the heck? That link you posted is a parody. It mocks people, just like you, who use the "only a theory"-argument. If you carefully examine the background image, you will see it says "Parody! Hoax! Lies!"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    What the heck? That link you posted is a parody. It mocks people, just like you, who use the "only a theory"-argument. If you carefully examine the background image, you will see it says "Parody! Hoax! Lies!"
    I didn't even look at the link..


    I would comment more on this, but it looks as if Eris and TheAsterisk! have this covered..

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    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    I'm surprised you took this as truth. I've never heard about Einstein's Theory of LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    What the heck? That link you posted is a parody. It mocks people, just like you, who use the "only a theory"-argument. If you carefully examine the background image, you will see it says "Parody! Hoax! Lies!"
    I didn't even look at the link to begin with, but I must say it was quite amusing. Whoever wrote that did a pretty good job mocking "arguments" in favor of Intelligent Design, creation-science, and the like.
    I just jumped at akari_aurion based on stuff I knew (mostly) off the top of my head, since I was so annoyed somebody could say something so silly.
    I'd like to add that, if, as akari_aurion believes, the sun has more pull on near-earth bodies, jumping off a cliff should cause one to fall towards the sun and not back towards Earth. See, even if one were silly enough (even at 13 years old) to believe that site to be serious and then credible, the idea could be rendered ridiculous with a 'thought experiment.'
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    ok i dont get it...
    if by nothing you mean everything we see and are used to on earth and around earth and in the milky way galaxy then yes there would be tons more planets and giant rocks and giant balls of ice flying around space...

    if you do mean absolutely nothing anywhere no universe ..then wtf.. your basically asking wot if
    an orange was an apple but that apple was really an orange... theres your answer the orange is an orange(if theres nothing than theres nothing)... so if nothing existed, of course nothing exists nothing is there...
    i think... but then HowTF did our galaxy get here? how did we get here? OH DANG!! then IM WROng if nothing exists something has to exist to make something nothing!? or maybe if there was nothing something might exist without anything or anyone knowing thus making basically non existant since no one is acknowledging it... but then that means if theres nothing theres something ....
    wot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alarix View Post
    Now before you reply with "nothing... duh" (like what the last person I asked said to me), think about it.

    Imagine if nothing existed. No darkness. No space. No emptyness. No pizza.

    Something has to exist, right...?
    I would imagine that "nothing" would be the only exisisting factor. So that's the only thing that exists which is nothing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelxWithin View Post
    What?!?

    No Pizza?!?

    No Food?!?

    Whats The Point Of Existing Without Them?!?
    Exactly!

    And for those who simply claim: "The human mind cannot fully fathom nothingness so the answer is literally nothing"... well space goes on for infinity and we know it's true but the human mind cannot understand infinity either.

    Like numbers. See?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke23 View Post
    Zenx is on drugs. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

    If we are dreaming, then the dream exists as long as we believe in it. Once we disbelieve it(DC 22) we know we're dreaming. However, the dream is still going, and those still dreaming will think you're insane. Or on drugs. Really, they mean it in the nicest possible way, though.
    If anyone in my town actually got to know me, aside from my friends, I would be comitted to an insaine asylum immediatly -_-. My mind think up things like this on the spot, among other strange things <_<. It's fun ^_^.
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    Well, it's like saying, "Over there is an apple. What is over there(same direction as the apple)". The answer would simply be the apple. If nothing existed, then nothing would exist. In this universe, there is something everywhere, but if nothing existed, no atoms, gods(depending on your religion), planets, galaxies, universes, and the other things that we haven't discovered yet(if there is something there), then nothing would exist. Take a piece of paper. Imagen that it is existence itself. Then throw it out. There we go. Now nothing exists.
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    If nothing existed it would be a white galaxy, but then again nothing would be white it would be invisable, but how would it be invisable if nothing existed? The simple explanation is that it couldnt be anything because we wouldnt be there to see so right?

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    When it's all darkness, then what could possibly exist?! ..well, except for darkness, and black lol


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