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    Default What would exist if nothing existed?

    Now before you reply with "nothing... duh" (like what the last person I asked said to me), think about it.

    Imagine if nothing existed. No darkness. No space. No emptyness. No pizza.

    Something has to exist, right...?

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    Paradoxical. Not to mention a pointless question.
    Literally "nothing" would exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alarix View Post
    Something has to exist, right...?
    No. It doesn't. What you're describing sounds like the universe before the big bang. The big bang was the creation of space-time (matter is a by-product of that), so before the big bang, there was no space-time. Not just no planets, there was no universe for the planets to be in; and no time for the planets to not exist in.

    You can imagine this by gradually removing spacial dimensions. Start with a room, three spacial dimensions and time, move in all directions while you can, walk in circles--jump, move your arms. Then you imagine one dimension collapsing; the world is now two dimensional. You can not move up or down (indeed, nothing exists there), just sideways. Like a drawing on a paper. Then another dimension collapses, and you're one dimensional. You can now only move along one line. But you're fine, since there still is that dimension, you can imagine it as a really long and narrow tube, so you can't walk sideways or turn around in, only backwards and forwards. Then, that dimension collapses as well, you're now zero-dimensional. You can not move at all. There is not nothing all around you, because there is no all around you. But heh, there is still time. So, you sit in your point in space and wait, until time collapses. And hey presto, space and time does not exist. Now ponder on that for a moment. You are in nothingness. Not emptiness, nothingness. The universe itself does not exist (also, feel free to ponder whether it ever did?)

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    Eh? *tilts head to the side*

    If nothing existed, how can anything exist. If there was no oxygen, no living things can exist. . . Basically, if nothing, as in not a speck of dirt or any air, that techinically means, "nothing," will exist. . . O____o

    If there is nothing that exists, there will be nothing that has to exist. . . O______o

    Ugh, now I'm confusing myself.
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    hmm, if nothing exsited, then wouldn't there just be darkness at each corner you run to?i think it's kind of like being in a silent black hole, nowhere to go, just stuck there in a never ending blackness.but i do agree with what Eris had to say, that makes since to, but i do myself see things a bit diffrently from the others, more of a active imagination, like it could turn into alice in wonderland and all of a sudden you see cheshire cat's teeth come out of hiding in the dark, so yeah i guess there is something even if there is nothing in the first place.sorry if that really doesn't click, im speaking in my terms,lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    Paradoxical. Not to mention a pointless question.
    Literally "nothing" would exist.
    I agree. There's really no answer to this.
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    I shall kill you both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    No. It doesn't. What you're describing sounds like the universe before the big bang. The big bang was the creation of space-time (matter is a by-product of that), so before the big bang, there was no space-time. Not just no planets, there was no universe for the planets to be in; and no time for the planets to not exist in.
    If you believe in Christianity [I know bringing religion was a bad idea, but Eris mentioned Big Bang so, I just felt the urge], God created something from nothing. He just said a few words. =3

    If we look at it scientifically though, it contradicts the idea. Science claims nothing can be made without something.
    "Matter from nothing? Preposterous." x3 So in fact, scientists believe that there had to be something that triggered the Big Bang.

    So, actually, no Eris, according to science, there had to be something.

    According to Christianity: If there truly was "nothing" then there would be no God. Because God is something, something "uncomprehendable", but still something. And without God, there would be nothing, because God created something from nothing.

    According to science: There couldn't have been "nothing" if something is created from it.

    So the two contradict eachother, guess it depends on what you believe in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magisha View Post
    Eh? *tilts head to the side*

    If nothing existed, how can anything exist. If there were no oxygen, no living things can exist. . . Basically, if nothing, as in not a speck of dirt or any air, that basically means, "nothing," will exist. . . O____o

    If there is nothing that exists, there will be nothing that has to exist. . . O______o

    Ugh, now I'm confusing myself.
    Hehe, me too. Maybe we should just be glad that something exists! I mean, we're here, aren't we?
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    Aaaahhh! That makes my brain hurt! To me, the question is: What color would nothingness be? When you close your eyes, you see a blend of colors in the black... but if nothing was there, would the color be black? I mean if there is nothingness, then we can't see any color, but there is no such thing as no color because there is always a color?

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    You ask me what would exist if there was a situation where nothing existed - so I reply that there would be nothing at all - because that is the status.
    The pre-big bang and God have nothing to do with this because you have already stated that in the world setting there is nothing - no colour, no dimensions - even time - now that boggles the mind to consider.
    However, many here are taking the line that you mean before the big bang and to that I reply with the line "its all theory today; tomorrow it will be wrong and in a 100 years it will be laughable" such is the way science of what we only scrape at understanding goes

    edit - you say there must be something - why must there be anything? Justify that line to me please as the only answer I can think of is linked to Gods - and in nothing there are no gods/god
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    yeah something has to exist
    but i just don't know what
    so confused

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    If nothing existed, then we would not be here contemplating whether or not anything existed. : D

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    okay, is anyone, other than me, confused here?
    >tilts head to one side< nothing exists...so isn't nothing something???? idk...don't ask me.

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    nope - nothing is nothing - not a single thing at all - not black, not dark, not time, not space, not an atom, not god
    nothing - easy to write down - but not something the human mind can truly imagine

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    If you believe in Christianity [I know bringing religion was a bad idea, but Eris mentioned Big Bang so, I just felt the urge], God created something from nothing. He just said a few words. =3
    It's funny you used christianity and Eris in the same sentence without any negative connotation surrounding "Christianity".

    Anywho, there's nothingness around you, And you can represent that anyway you want. Personally, if I was surrounded by the darkness of space I'd represent it as black. If I was surrounded by nothingness, and not darkness it'd be a dull gray to me. But it is difficult to fathom, maybe impossible. But it's fun to try!
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    The problem is, if nothing exists than nothing exists. The human mind cannot comprehend nothingness, so this question is kind of void.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    If we look at it scientifically though, it contradicts the idea. Science claims nothing can be made without something.
    There was something that caused the Big Bang, but science has not been able to say what it was.. As for people who just dismiss the Big Bang as a theory, I say that gravity is just a theory too..

    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    According to Christianity: If there truly was "nothing" then there would be no God. Because God is something, something "uncomprehendable", but still something. And without God, there would be nothing, because God created something from nothing.
    All religions are just products of man's attempts to understand why things happen, but have never actually been accepted as proof of anything by anyone who is (or was) intelligent..


    If this offends any of you indoctrinated people, please forgive my heretical ramblings.. XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    If we look at it scientifically though, it contradicts the idea. Science claims nothing can be made without something.
    Science does not claim something can be made without something. You're making the fundamental error of thinking that time is linear, and existed before the big bang. Creation of matter requires time; if there is no time, nothing can be added or removed. But in all time, the universe has always existed. What we're discussing is the events before time, so to speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    "Matter from nothing? Preposterous." x3 So in fact, scientists believe that there had to be something that triggered the Big Bang.
    That is an intuitive argument that does not follow from the basic principles of science. Many things in science are intuitively preposterous, never the less correct. Like the fact that the earth is round.

    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    So, actually, no Eris, according to science, there had to be something.
    That is down right wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    According to Christianity: If there truly was "nothing" then there would be no God. Because God is something, something "uncomprehendable", but still something. And without God, there would be nothing, because God created something from nothing.
    That I cannot comment upon.

    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    According to science: There couldn't have been "nothing" if something is created from it.
    That is wrong again.

    Quote Originally Posted by akari_aurion View Post
    So the two contradict eachother, guess it depends on what you believe in.
    How... do they contradict each other? You seem to be making the same argument for both cases.
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    space perhaps? or hell. or maybe heaven.
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    I can't imagine nothing not existing

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    Quote Originally Posted by [unlimited] View Post
    space perhaps? or hell. or maybe heaven.
    Space is something. Hell and Heaven are kind of...ideas. I GUESS ideas are considered something.
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    Nihilism would have a whole new meaning! (Waits for laugh, smiling)
    ...Nothing? Ok...
    People aren't really capable of contemplating true nothingness; many here have been thinking of emptiness or absence of material/matter instead. We can't think of nothingness easily because no human experience truly relates to it.
    I guess if there were nothing, the universe would not exist as it is defined. I suppose a point (as in geometry) would be the closest concept I can compare to nothingness.
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    Nothing would exist. Basically you almost answered your own question, just missing a few words. NOTHING WOULD EXIST. If nothing would exist, it doesn't mean SOMETHING would exist, it would mean NOTHING would exist.

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    asking of there is nothing then there is nothing. Like saying there is no apple in front of me. Is there an apple?

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