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    I am suprized that this thread hasn't gotten closed yet. Anyway cuz he was lonely and had nothing more to do lol.
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    What a topic for a first post!

    I remember that scene and doing a double take. I thought I had missed something - and I remember actually playing it back and being in shock that it indeed was what I thought it was.

    I don't much insight to offer - I would like to hope it's shinji being a frustrated 14 yr old boy excited by the sight of his target of affections displayed half-nude - and realizing how "messed" up of an act it was.

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    Okay, I really could go on about this but I'll just sum it up.

    During EoE, having no one else to turn to, Shinji ended up begging Asuka for help.
    Even though he knew she was unconscious, he still begged for her.
    Since he was "closest" to Asuka after he learned about Rei, Asuka was his only source of empathy.

    Basically, after pulling loose the vital lines, exposing her breasts, he became roused.
    Shinji, being completely terrified of rejection, saw Asuka as someone who COULDN'T reject him.
    So he gave into himself and afterword he became disgusted.

    This first scene can explain why he feels no sadness or emotion when the JSSDF soldiers tried to kill him.


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    Hi im new to these forums and fairly new to anime, so bare with me. I think personally the scene was a representation of human weakness. Shinji is only human and i think the scene was put in there to absolutly make this clear. Think of the responcibility placed on him throughout the series; i think the scene was added in to emphasise and remind the viewers that at the end of the day, shinji is a scared 14 year old child who is only human and consequently is prone to human weaknesses such as desire. I think the scene also confirms that shinji has an attraction to asuka.The scene tells us alot about shinji's state of mind as well. He is having some kind of mental breakdown; shown through his disgusting actions but he is also not completelly beaten which is shown through the fact that he still felt disgust and remorse at the end of the scene. He is a 14 year old suffering from a metal breakdown of some sort and heres the proof to remind you, is basically what I see the scene as saying. Its quite a brave scene to include to be honest and is one of those scenes that for me sets Evangelion apart from the rest.
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    I'm rather wary of the whole postmodern fad myself. Sometimes wanking off is wanking off and sometimes it's a symbol of the repressed sex drive or some such. You don't know (or you're not supposed to know) for sure, and I've always thought that was actually the point of the thing, that uncertainity on a meta-level.

    By the way, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei had a joke where a guy went to watch the movie with his mother. That would be.... awkward.
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    Ummm.....I never seen Shinji masturbate, when did that happen. Can someone tell me, (I've watched the movie, and I did not see that scene. And I don't think Shinji's that weak.) but from what I know about boys, is they get HORNEY!!. So it was just like looking at a magazine page, with a naked girl on it. He couldn't control himself, and started..........ya' know, ya' know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datenshi View Post
    I'm rather wary of the whole postmodern fad myself. Sometimes wanking off is wanking off and sometimes it's a symbol of the repressed sex drive or some such. You don't know (or you're not supposed to know) for sure, and I've always thought that was actually the point of the thing, that uncertainity on a meta-level.

    By the way, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei had a joke where a guy went to watch the movie with his mother. That would be.... awkward.
    Postmodernism isn't a fad, unless you define all culture as a fad.

    Anno's repeated and heavy use of symbolism (Especially in EoE) is freakishly obvious. To take this scene at face value seems absurd. Cinema, as practiced by artists like Anno isn't about telling a story, but is about communicating feelings through the medium of story. The scene, taken at face value, is so jarring and semi-disturbing that no hack director would leave it in because it interferes with the flow of the story, is pointless, and has development costs like any segment of animation. So there must be some sort of statement in it that justifies it's inclusion. As it is postmodern, you are free to interpret the scene how you wish, but "HE WUZ HORNY" is completely invalid.
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    Feh. I'm going to hate myself later for this.

    I'd say whether postmodernism was a fad or not, although an interesting premise, isn't appropriate for discussion here, as we'd have to define precisely what postmodernism is in the first place. What I can say for certain is that there was a brief and very distinct rise and fall in the popularity of French postmodernist thought among universities in Japan from the eighties to the nineties (cf. Asada Akira, Kojin Karatani, and most recently Azuma Hiroki, the last of which incidentally is known for his postmodernist interpretations of Japanese subculture) which many thinkers label as a fad. Whether the same extends to popular thought abroad I hadn't thought to consider in my earlier post (but from what little I've read of Terry Eagleton it appears it is a similar case in the United States) and I apologize for my sloppish use of terminology.

    As it is postmodern, you are free to interpret the scene how you wish, but "HE WUZ HORNY" is completely invalid.
    Let me rephrase what I said in my previous post. I didn't think anyone would respond and so I see my wording was inadequate. I wasn't saying that the scene in question was included for no reason. If anything I agree with you; I'm saying there is an infinite variety of possible interpretations, and I think one of those interpretations include the possibility that the scene was inserted simply to shock audiences.

    I'm not denying people the pleasure of picking a particular interpretation of their choosing from the myriad of possibilities. However, I simply wanted to point out that were we to attempt a truly postmodern critique of the scene in question, playing a guessing-game with the author's intentions would be self-defeating because as Barthes coined it, "the author is dead". If we were to enjoy Neon Genesis Evangelion as a postmodern work (I want to stress here there are of course other, more popular ways to enjoy it which everybody is perfectly entitled to), then the only choice left to us in my opinion is to purposefully avoid fixing a meaning to the scene, and enjoy the confusion and disruption it causes to our complacent movie-goer sensibilities on a meta-textual level.
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    eeww! does that really happen in the movie. -_- I'm not going to watch that.
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    I think it was just to show his age and how desperate he is. We all know what he is like, evidence of this pops up all over the series.

    And their does not need to be any meaning to that scene, I would have done exactly the same thing as he did!
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    neh he is just mentally disturbed with all the sudden events
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    I watched that episode several times just to understand it and I was still freaked out, especially when the arm turns out looking human and then Ritsuko refers to Unit 01 as if it was female.

    What would happen if I just sat here
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    If I just sat here I would mold
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    This is a strange series that centers around both theological symbolism and psychological points. To try and make sense of them all is a chore and takes away from what is a series that seems to shift between the war with the Angels and the attempts by this boy to live a normal life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saracin View Post
    This is a strange series that centers around both theological and psychological points. To try and make sense of them all is a chore and takes away from what is a series that seems to shift between the war with the Angels and the attempts by this boy to live a normal life.
    Hint: There is no theological meaning in NGE. It has Jewish and Christian Symbolism, no doubt, by the staff admitted that it was used mostly because it looked cool. When the symbolism has meaning, it's a philosophical one.

    Moreover, it's completely possible to ignore the meaning behind NGE. Example: Most of the people in this thread.
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    Do you really need to find the meaning behind something though to enjoy it? Sometimes a story is just a story. The creator could say anything, he could make things up to give meaning to something that to him just looked cool so he used it.

    I bet it irks you to no end watching people discuss the why of something and you know all the answers and yet no one seems to learn. Or maybe the answer is that they would rather find their own motives out of a characters actions. Its not always about what the artist meant when he made something, its about what people gain from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saracin View Post
    Do you really need to find the meaning behind something though to enjoy it? Sometimes a story is just a story. The creator could say anything, he could make things up to give meaning to something that to him just looked cool so he used it.

    I bet it irks you to no end watching people discuss the why of something and you know all the answers and yet no one seems to learn. Or maybe the answer is that they would rather find their own motives out of a characters actions. Its not always about what the artist meant when he made something, its about what people gain from it.

    wow, that deep man.

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    I myself think I need to rewatch the series. I only seen it on Adultswim, and recall nothing like this happening. Course CN does have a tendancy to not show certaint content. As I recalled the ending episodes they showed made the ending of NGE look like a bad acid trip.

    EDIT: Sorry, my bad. I thought this was about the series. I'll see if I can stream the movie and see that. Otherwise just ignore my ignorance.
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