I'd have to say murder.
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I'd have to say murder.
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Rape, causes people to suffer.
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:3 Neither. Both are bad.
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My answer would be is I'd rather be murdered cause I could get murdered say... on a battlefield, upon a hill, with thousands of lying and rotting corpses around me and having my claymore deep into the dirt and me resting upon the handle losing all consciousness and life from fatal battle wounds.
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Than theres getting raped and I don't know but obviously I am having an orgasm while screaming for my life so go figure; Murder.
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Its kinda messed up to compare the two. When you get raped you are basically dead inside and your pride is all messed up. When your dead your dead, no chance of recovery. Of course death is worse, because not only were you hurt(dead) your family and friends were effected aswell... and so the pain spreads.Damn this thread. Makin' me all sad.
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Last edited by Quik; 11-20-2007 at 07:43 PM.
This topic is so touch and go...
I can understand some of the comments people are stating here. I can understand some of the sarcasm also being typed.
I am all for having serious discussions for in this forum. Actually we do not get to many topics that are serious. All I can say is to keep this topic open, users must try to use common sense, and try to be aware of others and how they see things. Some of us are closer to this topic than some realize by knowing people that have been raped or murdered.
One thing I failed to mention or emphasis in my other posts is that not all murderers or murders are the same, and not all rapists or rapes are the same.
Murders can range from BOOM Headshot! to shanked multiple times with a cardboard cutter.
Rapes can range from waking up with a sore butt and a dollar on the nightstand to sexual torture.
Murderes can range from a psycho serial killer or a (usually well-behaved) father getting revenge for what someone did to his daughter.
Rapists can range from a angry Bubba to a some guy who was tricked by a 16 year old.
I suppose if you look at it from a victim's perspective, rape would seem worse. I mean, the effort it would take to rebuild yourself and to live through the constant fear would be horrible to bear. Hence, being murdered would easily seem to be the better option.
But if you look at it from the "nothing's more important than human lives" aspect, then I guess you could say nothing beats murder.
As for my opinion, I'm in suicidal mode. If I get raped, I'd rather be killed in the process, if not then I'd probably kill myself shortly after since I'm a wuss and don't have the guts to carry that amount of mental pressure.
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It's not like I would rather be raped then murdered, I would perfer neither never happen to me, but I think rape is worse. If you are murdered, you aren't around to experience the emotional distress rape would cause. Rape totally devastates the woman or man's life, and they now have to live with the fact they were raped. Also, there is no punishment that says the rapist must be sent to rape. Murder, the killer may be sent to death. The odds will never even out in rape.
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nice point you got there. anyway, i think discussing serious things such as this will help open up those close minded people.
and anyway, i've been getting so many views about this topic.
i still think that both are equally traumatic and horrible. people suffer and sometimes justice don't prevail as it should.
as User_Name here said, there are different ranges in murdering and raping. and really, hearing you talk about torturing someone especially in rapists, gave me the spooks. whew!
what do you guys think about those who murder for revenge? how about those who kill because their mentally abnormal? well?
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I dont really think that's true at all. Have you been raped, or known someone who's been murdered? I can say yes to both, and your giving an inaccurate representation of victims.Its kinda messed up to compare the two. When you get raped you are basically dead inside and your pride is all messed up. When your dead your dead, no chance of recovery. Of course death is worse, because not only were you hurt(dead) your family and friends were effected aswell... and so the pain spreads.
Hmm.... After reading all the posts here i can't help but think maybe i cannot judge between the two... I mean i've never been raped and i obviously havent been murdered. So i guess i dont really know how it feels. Man do i feel stupid now.... I still think murder but now i am not nearly as steadfast.
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I'd say from both sides of gender they are both sinful, no matter what the perspective is, but theres always a side story for any linked to these if there was reason, you'd see many people get away with it from courts for attempting murder, because they where attempting 'justice', like say a wife killed her husband because he raped her and abused her, (can be the other way around just an example) I also think some nations are getting too soft with their policies, like england for example, many stories about gun killing and rapes are going on about everywhere in the streets, why? because they know their just gonna end up in jail for their faith and not getting what they deserve, the consequences should alert anyone who should attempt these sinful things, i personally don't think it's right to have these in every day life and fear of any maniacs on the streets. I mean wouldn't it make life easier if we didn't need to be scared of all these nonsense actions?
They say ignorance is bliss. But i dont think anyone would value life near so much if there werent people taking it away. Everything and everyone exists for a reason... And we have to accept challenges as a way to better ourselves, not sit in a corner and have a pity party because they'll never go away. Like it would be so nice if there werent wars but the genetic traits of our own human ignorance isnt going to let that happen.... It is a nice thought though..
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You have to think of it 2 ways. If your murdered your dead and that's all there is to it.
If your raped you will have a fear in the back of your mind it's going to happen again, you begin to suspect that anyone of the oposite sex (or same sex) will rape you. Then there is the shame of knowing you've been raped. Some women (and men) commit suicide after being raped. Even if you survive the rape you will never be the same again.
I'd rather be murdered then raped...at least then I would live in fear of my own shadow for the rest of my life.
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If I were raped I would kill myself, I just couldnt live with it.
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yeah good point, but things like rape are a bit pitiful when you think about it, it's just another fulfillment of the mentality of a person, so i think it shouldn't be necessary for anyone to fear it, i mean many people get affected when it happens to them and they become corrupted mentally (can happen to many but sometimes it doesn't), however things like murder are very shameful, because here is the nation saying we will always fulfill 'justice' when they don't build a wall away from murder, so why don't they do something for their justice if they have any in them? I'm not saying it's every governments fault, I'm saying it anyones fault for having to be sunk in to think it's 'okay' to attempt murder to increase their status of high rates on crime in their country, sure they have their reasons but is their ignorance not going to be tolerated anyway? oh well it won't make a change of the doings of human anyway, good will go to heaven and bad will go to hell lol
Yes... it SHOULDNT be nessesary for anyone to fear it but it is. It also shouldnt be nessessary for governments to kill off innocents during wars, but they do. I dont believe there is any such thing as justice. I hate that word. you could say justice is punishing those whom have commited a crime but should they not "Justly" have a second chance? And i dont think anyone deserves eternal suffering in hell, no matter their crime. That and if we place the death penelty on someone isnt that saying "Killing is ok if carried out by the right people for the right reason." THat is such twisted logic i cannot cope with it.yeah good point, but things like rape are a bit pitiful when you think about it, it's just another fulfillment of the mentality of a person, so i think it shouldn't be necessary for anyone to fear it, i mean many people get affected when it happens to them and they become corrupted mentally (can happen to many but sometimes it doesn't), however things like murder are very shameful, because here is the nation saying we will always fulfill 'justice' when they don't build a wall away from murder, so why don't they do something for their justice if they have any in them? I'm not saying it's every governments fault, I'm saying it anyones fault for having to be sunk in to think it's 'okay' to attempt murder to increase their status of high rates on crime in their country, sure they have their reasons but is their ignorance not going to be tolerated anyway? oh well it won't make a change of the doings of human anyway, good will go to heaven and bad will go to hell lol
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yes even i hate THAT word too, it's even inhuman when they put in a sentence into thinking it'll do any good at all, I'm also against the governments to killing of innocents in wars, heck i don't think anyone likes it, and where does wars come in? (thats a bit off the topic in the first place XD) i think no one should necessarily go to hell if they have a very good reason for killing that i believe too, but however murder done by general public, have no reason to kill if it was for greed, ignorance and unsympathized reasons, those are the people that i truly despise, like for example the other week when a young boy was shot by a pub from a teenage boy for no reason at all, even if he had a reason why would he kill a young life he had nothing related to? those are the people who are satins causing unforgivable doings of murder, and i do agree with you that people should have second chances from murder but only for a good reason, if you let people with no reason off the hook, it will increase the percentage of murder everyday.
well even in revenge it's wrong. I mean even the death penalty is a form of revenge. At the same time though, a person who seeks a life for revenge, well those feelings are very, very strong, and almost impossible to control. I mean if someone killed the person you love more than anyone else in the world, think of how you would feel. you'd have a burning desire to hurt that person, make them feel how you do. howeveer self-control is what makes us human afterall. I mean, I understand why the person who do it, and I must admit I'd have a hard time veiwing them as bad in their actions, but two wrongs don't make a right. As far as mentally ill I've touched on this topic as well, and it depends. A person who honestly does not know right from wrong, well even they have to endure some form of punishment. You don't lear from people telling you that fire is hot. You learn from putting your hand in the flame and burning the crap out of yourself. Atlast the incurably insane, thoes who murder and murder, and feel no guilt, prison I think, they'll suffer more,
Last edited by Nephthys; 11-21-2007 at 04:32 PM.
Great point. It's funny, this morning I was watching the news, and apparently these three boys (who are eight years old) are being charged of raping an eleven year old girl.
Very, very different situations.
I don't know why this would be a very controversial topic, but I can see what everyone here is trying to say. Of course, everyone has their own opinions. Either way, they are bad, and if possible, I'd want to avoid both. But that's not why we're posting here is it? What I don't get is why people is blaming it on other people like the governments, media, violent games, and the "higher-ups" on what's going on. Eventually, it's our fault, and it's not as if this happened since the government was formed (I'm talking about murder by the way), it's been around since the beginning of time! What's the point of getting teary eyed about what's been going on? To point the fault at someone else to me, is pretty irresponsible. I think if we truly want to prevent such things, we should just simply teach our children so that they can teach their children and so on.
Rape is just another thing and we all want to avoid it as much as murder. This is another thing that we can teach our children. Not like, "Hey little Jimmy, don't rape other kids because it's bad," but more indirectly and leading them into a world where sex isn't so excessive. The reason why there are so many rapes is simply because there aren't enough parents trying to refrain and teach their children about the mysterious ways of sex. Seduction, lust, and all that tempts everyone, and eventually, for those who aren't taught and who are weak won't be able to know what to do. It's also not the parent's fault specifically. It's not also not specifically the media or the games either (however it would be nice if they didn't HAVE to add some sex scenes).
Overall, there's no sense in blaming other people about murder and rape. We just have to be careful. Both are bad, there's no real point in arguing. We just have our opinions of which ones we'd prefer.
I hold rape worse than murder. I'd prefer to be dead instead of surviving rape. Rape sometimes leads to psychological effects, which prevents people from being, well, people. And sometimes the psychological effects can affect a person physically. At least in murder the victims suffering ends.
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Rape.
When you murder someone you create a ripple effect of emotional distress (family members and so on). But if you rape someone you create the same ripple effect but only now, the victim is still breathing and is therefore, also an active part of the ripple (not to mention you break down the individual's pride and self-esteem). It is also a possibility that you'll knock up your victim thus, forcing it to choose whether to have an abortion or not (more psychological distress).
Therefore, rape is worse (and logic ftw).
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