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I agree! Get really attached to a song. (For me it's Days- FLOW) Then figure out what the words mean. Remember the "watashi wa" (meaning I, me, myself) is taken out of most japanese songs since it is already implied that it is the person who is saying it. Confusing but in some way it makes sense. 愛してる!
Also may I suggest that you visit http://www.j-talk.com/nihongo. It allows you to translate kanji and hiragana to romanji. Also, it has a dictionary and a study space. I LOVE ANIME!!!
I don't know.. maybe my sensei too push me.. *I hate that*
I'm also interested in learning this. I think I'd prefer a tutor but don't really know where to find one where I am, and I would commit myself if learning on my own if necessary. I've picked up a few words from anime and have spent some time researching on some sites, although I didn't know where to start so it's probably not useful. I did learn the number system and can pretty much give any number up to 9999 (spoken and written in kanji), but otherwise have low knowledge of anything.
Thanks for the ideas people have given, they will be very helpful. ^_^
uhh there are lots of things you could do.
stuff you could do by yourself: totemo muzukashi na... stuff I did..haha
-self study, buy books, read mangas, watch anime, etc...
-join japanese chatrooms/language exchange sites (www.sharedtalk.com)
-chat with japanese ppl through MSN(you can find ppl willing to chat with you on sharedtalk)
OR to make your life easier
-join a japanese class/school/hire a tutor, whatever floats your boat.
its really simple.
I would be willing to assist anyone wishing to learn Japanese. PM me if you want my help. Be aware that I am learning too.
Learning kana charts should be first priority. You should be able to find some in wikipedia or on google.
I can help with sentence structure, vocabulary, verbs, adjectives, particles and nouns.
Yep ^^ So anyone wanting a little assistance ask. I'm happy to help.
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Greetings
Hello. Konnichiwa.
Good Morning. Ohayou.
Ohayou-gozaimasu. (Polite)
Good afternoon. Konnichiwa.
Good evening. Konbanwa.
Good night. Oyasumi. Oyasuminasai.
Good bye. Sayounara.
See you later. Dewa mata.
See you tomorrow. Mata ashita.
How do you do. Hajimemashite.
I'm glad to see you. Oai-deki-te ureshii-desu.
How are you? Ogenki desu-ka.
I'm fine. Genki-desu.
And you? Anata wa?
I'm fine, too. Watashi-mo genki-desu.
Thank you. Arigatou. /
Arigatou-gozaimasu. (polite)
Expression of thanks & replies
click Japanese and you can hear the voice.
Thanks. Arigatou. /
Doumo.
Arigotou gozai-masu. (polite)
Thanks a lot. Doumo arigatou.
Doumo arigatou gozai-masu. (polite)
You're welcome. Dou-itashimashite.
The pleasure is mine. Kochira koso
Expression of apology
click Japanese and you can hear the voice.
Sorry./ Excuse me./ I'm sorry. Gomen. /
Gomen-nasai. /
Sumimasen. /
Moushiwake-arimasen. /
Moushiwake-gozaimasen.
I'm really sorry.
Hontou-ni gomennasai.
Hontou-ni moushiwake-arimasen.
Hontou-ni moushiwake-gozaimasen.
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That's OK. / Don't worry about it. Ii-desu-yo. /
Goshinpai-naku.
Never mind. / That's all right.Ki-ni shinaide. /
Shinpai shinaide.
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AFFIRMATIVE REPLIES
Yes. Hai.
Yes it is. Hai sou-desu.
I got it. /I see. /I understand. Wakari-masita.
I know. Wakatte-imasu.
I think so. Sou omoi-masu.
Sure./ Of course. Mochiron-desu.
O.K. Ii-desu. /Ii-desu-yo.
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NEGATIVE REPLIES
No. Iie.
I don't understand. Wakari-masen.
I don't know. Shiri-masen.
I didn't know that. Shiri-masen-deshita.
I don't think so. Sou omoi-masen.
uuuh, i got this stuff off of some web site---hope it helps!
In hiragana it would be written as a "u" because it denotes a long vowel. It also does the same by putting an "i" after an "e". When it's written in romanji however, it often gets typed both ways. Just like "ha" is often typed as "wa" because the "wa" is what you say, but the hiragana is still "ha". Romanji isn't for native Japanese speakers, so it's not really standardized. It was created to help non-Japanese speakers, although I'm not sure that it truly helps as much as it hinders but that's is just my opinion. But the long vowel bit is what I was taught and is what I see in the Japanese texts I have used. Perhaps it is because I started in hiragana not romaji? Hehe, I'm not sure why your teacher would say that but maybe it is just as simple as the mindset one is in when typing romanji. If you start with a romanji base, the "oo" might make more sense, but if you started with a hiragana base "ou" would make more sense. I know there are a few exceptions to "ou" and "ei", like ookii, but there aren't very many if I recall.
Last edited by akiko_kalla; 06-13-2007 at 05:38 PM.
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First off. NEVER EVER try to learn through anime. Sure you could learn some phrases here and there but seriously, that's the last way you want to learn. Alot of the time the way they even talk, it would be the same as a Japanese person learning english through hearing Goofy and Donald talking.
But trust me I've been there before. I love anime and manga as much as the next guy and that is how I started with the Japanese language. But the more you really learn traditionally and maturely, the better you'll feel about it.
I've been taking Japanese for almost three years now and it's damn hard. But it's always interesting to me and I've never been bored with it, so hopefully alot of you who wish to do the same can have fun with it. Take as much time as you need.
So yeah, I'd be willing to help anyone out. I'm not a professional but I've got enough experience to properly instruct quite a bit. Plus I've got my own life to attend to so I can't really tutor everything, for every second. PM me if you feel up to it, and like I said before, take your time. =)
What EmeraldGuardian said. Although if you do decide to use an anime or manga to help you learn (nothing wrong with picking up some easy manga for reading practice), make sure it's something which would actually use 'everyday' Japanese. You don't want to learn Japanese from something like Kenshin. Yotsuba is nice and simple actually.
As for the above, I was always taught the 'ou' instead of 'oo' to differentiate between how you actually write it, as the purpose of romajii is to help you learn Japanese, not to replace hiragana.
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I would write it as ou too, because that is technically how it translates directly. It makes writing easier. Ah, the joys of furigana!
As a beginner, I would say to study from a text- not manga and anime. However, both are good once you get the fundamentals down. That's because you can learn casual stuff, slang, feminine/masculine speak, dialects, and the like. Hopefully by that stage you know when it is correct to use it and when it is not. For example, don't break out in Osaka-ben when you are in an important meeting with the boss.
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"Spilt coffee has a sad remembrance of old"- from a plastic bag seen on the train
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Re: Greetings list: Isn't oyasuminasai a good-bye? Like you say it when the person you're talking to is going to sleep or something, and you say "oyasuminasai", isn't it? Also it's surprising how many of those I didn't learn in my Japanese class...I'm taking University-level Japanese 2 (consider that I live in Canada, and University-level Japanese 2 is like preschool for native nihonjin) currently and Japanese 3 next term (in September).
Re: "ou" vs. "oo": In class, they taught us "oo", but when I write, I write "ou" because that's how it translates (although it makes some works look kind of odd)...I don't write romanji often though unless I'm too lazy to switch to Japanese text on my computer since as of somewhere in the middle of Japanese 1 we're expected to write everything in either Hiragana or Katakana (Kanji starts in Japanese 3, although I currently know about 12...numbers 1-10 except I always forget 7 + "hito" + "shiro" + "i" as in "ima", and I can recognize "i" as in "iku", "nan"/"nani", and "go" as in "language" but not draw them) although my Japanese teacher uses a Mac so whenever I e-mail her with a question I have to use Romanji since Windows and Mac don't translate Japanese the same way for some reason...
Re: Learning from anime/manga: Honestly, I don't know how you guys do it...to be honest, the only words I've picked up from anime are swear words (well, ok, and "sekai" and "daijoubu")...the way I find it easiest to learn is to take classes and then try to recognize phrases from class in anime I watch and to listen to Japanese music I like and look up various words in my Jap/Eng dictionary (that's how I learned words like "imi", "itami", and "kotoba"...those 3 in particular I learned from D-tecnolife by UVERworld). Don't *completely* write off anime or manga, but it's best to use it as a supplementary source at best, not a primary.
Last edited by Ertai87; 06-17-2007 at 11:32 AM.
oyasumi is what you say when you or the other person is going to bed. in other words, it translates to "good night"/"sleep well"
Also, since you cannot swear in English on AF, don't swear in Japanese on the site either. Thanks!
I'm going to open a thread discussing anime and manga as a learning tool. Please keep that kind of discussion there; not in this thread. thanks!
Pink is the new Pooky
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"Spilt coffee has a sad remembrance of old"- from a plastic bag seen on the train
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Sry, my bad...post edited
i would love 2 learn japanese i love japan so much its fab so if anyone finds out let me know! xx
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When are people gonna learn that you can't just ask someone "please teach my Japanese" and expect to become a master at it. I've had someone do it to me once and they never remembered a thing If you want to learn it the best method is doing it yourself through the net. There's tons of resources and the don't have to spend one dime. Nor do you have to waste someone else's time
While taking a formal class or learning from someone fluent in Japanese is always the ideal situation, I thought I'd add some resources I use that I didn't see mentioned here for anyone hoping to learn on their own (or these could have been mentioned on page 2...every time I tried to read that page, my computer died on me so, I have no idea. Dx).
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html Jim Breen's WWWJDIC -excellent, EXCELLENT dictionary, both for kanji lookup and for just translating words.
http://www.msu.edu/~lakejess/kanjigame.html Kanji Game -this is something I really don't use anymore, but it helped me when I first started trying to learn kanji on my own. It's helpful not only for learning to read kanji, but also for learning katakana and hiragana for beginners. The only downside to this site is that it helps with reading only.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/index.html Tae Kim's Japanese Guide - Great site for beginners and more advanced learners alike. Lessons are taught in a very different order from conventional textbooks, but it's done in a way that really makes a lot of sense. Also helpful if you're looking for information on a very specific bit of grammar.
Genki: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese Vols. I & II by Eri Banno, Yutaka Ohno, Yoko Sakane, & Chikako Shinagawa -these are the textbooks I used in my college class, and they're really a pretty solid learning tool. It's interesting to note that these textbooks were originally intended for English-speaking students living in Japan. One of the benefits of that are sections that help the student with vocab you'd need to know in specific situations (at the train station, at the post office, health and fitness, etc.).
The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary by Jack Halpern -other than Jim's site, this is the only other kanji dictionary I've used. That said, if you're looking for a paper dictionary, this is a good one. Not as comprehensive as Jim's, but still pretty solid.
How to Tell the Difference Between Japanese Particles by Naoko Chino -while it isn't done in the utmost detail, this can be helpful in understanding the difference between similar functioning particles.
Japanese Street Slang by Peter Constantine -It should be noted that this book uses only romaji and that it's a book about slang written in 1992. With that in consideration though, this is still an interesting read for anyone interested in rough Japanese speech, since there really aren't too many places you can get information of that sort.
Read Real Japanese by Janet Ashby -I've just started reading this very recently. This isn't recommended for beginners, but more for intermediate-advanced students. This book contains 8 essays by Japanese authors written in Japanese, as well as written in romaji with an english translation phrase-by-phrase as well as intensive notes on bits of grammar or cultural references readers may or may not be aware of. I know I'm finding it very helpful right now. ^^
So, that's it. I always found it a bit hard to find truly useful language references (let's face it, most of what's out there is for beginners, and is more or less the same information at the same quality), so I hope that someone hoping to learn the language on there own finds these resources as helpful as I have. <3
I know Japanese.Well not a lot lot. But I understand anime's that only speak Japanese. So you can ask me for words.
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i wish so too, i have so many japanese games, and i can't understand anything about them!
im going to stduy japanese when i get to college
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