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    ok see i wouldn't know that because i stop watching it from like the first episode and about the convention thing if you go to talk ask.com or google and type in DBZ covention there are thousands of people dressed up like the characters

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    Ok, do the same for Sailor Moon...youll get much more pictures than you would for DBZ

    Also, I cant understand why youre argueing a show is 'just for little girls' when you havent even seen the show. Go watch some episodes, and then come back and tell me that its still for little girls (the subbed version)
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    actually i agree with Maru the show isn't for "younger viewers" even when it came out i had to sneak to watch it because my mom wouldn't let me watch it untill i was a tad bit older. but the reason why i loved SM was mainly because it took somewhere that was magical and plus it had a killer story line. but even now i wish it still aired on T.V because it gave me something to watch early in the morning
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    ok i don't understand why your mom didn't let you watch it because they weren't really doing any thing

    also I didn't really watch it because the fighting scenes were lame, and they all were just girly girls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    ok i don't understand why your mom didn't let you watch it because they weren't really doing any thing

    also I didn't really watch it because the fighting scenes were lame, and they all were just girly girls
    How can you say its lame when youve never seen it??
    Theres fighting scenes where Sailor Moons being strangled. Theres even episodes where they die. In the R movie Tuxedo Mask is stabbed. How is that lame? How is that for children? Again, go to youtube or something and watch a few episodes, youll see that SM can be pretty violent

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    ok someone gets strangled oh my god and that person got stabbed in a what movie and on the series but in a movie big difference right.....

    and the fighting scenes that i have seen on sailor moon have been lame compared to other fighting scenes from different anime/manga series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    ok someone gets strangled oh my god and that person got stabbed in a what movie and on the series but in a movie big difference right.....

    and the fighting scenes that i have seen on sailor moon have been lame compared to other fighting scenes from different anime/manga series
    you earlier said that youve only seen ONE espiode of SM. How can you possibly compare when you havent watched the series? Like I said, dont toss your opinion in when you have no understanding about what the topic is.
    Ive seen the original DB, Ive seen DBZ, Ive even watched DBGT, and I personally think SM is a better show.

    Dont hate on a show youve never watched.

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    DBZ is a terrible anime in my opinion. I have watched the original version of DBZ and I STILL think it's a terrible anime. Lol. Sailormoon was my first anime when I knew what anime was and it is special to me. Sailormoon has better animation, better character development, better music, better storylines and I could go on and on. I'd like you to watch the subbed version and see if your opinion changes any. :P
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    Dragonball Z, lol. I liked DBZ when I was younger and I still think its a great show, even though I dont watch it anymore. But I do think that between DBZ and Sailor Moon, Sailor Moon is the better show. I'll say right now, its quite a stretch to compare Sailor Moon to Dragonball Z. Sailor Moon has great fightning scenes, but when it all comes down to it DBZ does have more hardcore battles and violence, but DBZ wasnt geared toward young females, now was it? And trying to use that against Sailor Moon is kind of foolish. One of the highlights of Sailor Moon's popularity is that it was aimed for young females, but it gained many fans of both genders of all ages. As a whole, I consider Sailor Moon pretty masculine compared to other magical girl anime, but thats beside the point.

    Sailor Moon was pulled off air because there was a limited number of episodes they could run, and once all the episodes have been shown you can only keep showing reruns for so long before people gradually stop watching and ratings drop. DBZ aired for much longer because it had many more episodes to run. Popularity had nothing to do with it, both DBZ and Sailor Moon were very popular. In fact, Sailor Moon and DBZ were the highest rated shows on Toonami back in the day.

    In speaking of episodes, you should take in consideration the creator. Sailor Moon has 200 episodes because Naoko ended Sailor Moon at the fifth arc, Sailor Stars. The Sailor Moon manga was huge, there was NOTHING stopping Naoko from creating more arcs (and thus, more episodes for Toei to create) but herself. She wanted to end Sailor Moon at Stars, and she did. And the number of episodes really dont matter anyway. The number of episodes do not make a great series. Evangelion has only 26 episodes, and its still very popular. Its the content in a series that matters. Naoko is also the person who decided to add lesbians to Sailor Moon, and it did nothing to reduce Sailor Moon popularity.

    When it comes to cosplay, oh-my-garsh. Dont even go there. Sailor Moon cosplay is absolutely insane, yet impressive at the same time. There are even guys dressing up as the senshi. Ive also seen some guys dressed up as the Starlights (LOL). I am more than convinced that there are more Sailor Moon cosplayers than there are DBZ. I also think the Sailor Moon cosplay is also much better than that of DBZ. Tell me, does DBZ have a live action series? I didnt think so.
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    ok i have sat down and watched one episode for myself but i have also watched some clips of other episode because my little loved to watch it so i had no chose to watch it or i could have went in my room and stared at the walls lol but from what i have seen from this series it was a waste of time toonami took of ( Yu Yu Hakusho) for a while just so sailor moon could air and on this point i think we can all agree on is that Yu Yu Hakusho was HANDS DOWN a better series then sailor moon

    and the guys who were dressing up as girls don't count

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    ok i have sat down and watched one episode for myself but i have also watched some clips of other episode because my little loved to watch it so i had no chose to watch it or i could have went in my room and stared at the walls lol but from what i have seen from this series it was a waste of time toonami took of ( Yu Yu Hakusho) for a while just so sailor moon could air and on this point i think we can all agree on is that Yu Yu Hakusho was HANDS DOWN a better series then sailor moon

    and the guys who were dressing up as girls don't count
    I agree with Maru on all this! e.e/) Sailor Moon isn't just for younger viewers. It's for teens and adults, too. Yu Yu Hakusho and Sailor Moon are my 2 top favorite animes. They are both equally a great series to me. =) And what's even better is that both creators (Naoko Takeuchi, and Yoshiro Togashi) are married! =^__^=

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    ok but if you had to choose one to watch and there will always be new episodes to the series which one would you watch Yu Yu Hakusho or Sailor moon

    you know my answer lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    ok i have sat down and watched one episode for myself
    Oh great! So now you've seen TWO full episodes. Lol. *sigh* Look, I'm going to post some of my favorite clips from various season of the show.

    1 Sailor Moon vs Queen Beryl
    2 Inner Senshi vs Ayakashi Sister & Rubius
    3 Inner Senshi fight against enemies
    4 Moon Revenge
    5 Tragic moment with Sailor Neptune and Uranus
    6 Sailor Saturn, Sailor Moon, and Pharaoh 90
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    10 Sailor Saturn vs Nehelenia
    11 Galaxia kills the four inner senshi
    12 Sailor Uranus and Neptune die
    13 Starlights fight Galaxia once
    14 Starlights fight Galaxia again
    15 Sailor Moon vs Chaos

    What do you think? Many of them having fighting, which I thought you would like. And to answer your question, I'd pick Sailor Moon without a second thought.
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    i have watched on fully and seen clips from other episodes which were not interesting at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post





    ok you call Sailor moon vs Beryl a "fight" no no no that was not a "fight" it was sailor moon and beryl shooting their powers out at each other then holding them for 4 min. and then the rest of the 1min 18sec was just her talking about how she wants to be normal again and like her friends just came out of no where frist she was thinking about them then when the " fight" is over they are just laying down on the ground like they did something and the song in the background did not have anything to do with this "fight". I wasted 5min and 18sec watching this so called "fight"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    ok but if you had to choose one to watch and there will always be new episodes to the series which one would you watch Yu Yu Hakusho or Sailor moon

    you know my answer lol
    Can't say. ^^;; I love them both too much. I'd watch and read them both. =D

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    ok which series is the first one to pop in your head when you are thinking about anime/manga

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    I wasted 5min and 18sec watching this so called "fight"
    You'd probably say this even if a fighting scene from Sailor Moon did manage to impress you. Anyway, I never said that video was a fight. I never pointed out which videos had fighting. I only said "many" of them had fighting, and I do consider that particular video a fight btw. If you want to see some fighting them you should watch videos 3, 9, 13, and 14. And maybe video 2, but it doesnt have much, and video 9 is pretty impressive near the end. There are also many more nice fighting scenes that I was unable to find on Youtube. And btw, having seen two full episodes and some clips from other episodes is still not enough to have a decnt understand of a show that has 200 episode spannning five seasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    ok which series is the first one to pop in your head when you are thinking about anime/manga
    I havnt thought about YuYu Hakusho in a very long time, and if it wasnt for you mentioning it in this thread, it would of been even longer.
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    well if I saw a good fighting scene that Impressed me I would have said so but thankyou for tell me the ones that have some type of "fighting" in them so I wont waste any more of my time

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    Thou DBZ is one of my favorites I prefer Sailor Moon over it.
    It was sailor moon and beryl shooting their powers out at each other then holding them for 4 min. and then the rest of the 1min 18sec was just her talking about how she wants to be normal again and like her friends just came out of no where frist she was thinking about them then when the " fight" is over they are just laying down on the ground like they did something and the song in the background did not have anything to do with this "fight". I wasted 5min and 18sec watching this so called "fight"
    Ok compare to DBZ. Goku took about 10 o more episodes(in total of Veg and Buu Saga) to make a god-damned Genkidama.
    The episodes dragged on WAAAY to far.
    95% of the show was just fighting while in Sailor Moon it included more stuff like regular girl high school days etc.
    DBZ fans wanted to see more than fighting. They wanted to see a bit romance and drama ( and if u think Goku dying and reviving is drama )

    SAILOR MOON CAN BE FOR ANYBODY! JUST LIKE ALL THE ANIMES! SAILOR MOON IS NOT ONLY MADE FOR "LITTLE" GIRLS AND DBZ IS NOT MADE ONLY FOR BOYS.

    Also Sailor Moon is one of the first animes one sees and is, like they have said before, a 'gateway anime'

    well if I saw a good fighting scene that Impressed me I would have said so but thankyou for tell me the ones that have some type of "fighting" in them so I wont waste any more of my time
    And you think listening to people talk whole episodes about their past and why they want revenge isn't wasting your time!


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    Quote Originally Posted by IloveSyaoran View Post
    Thou DBZ is one of my favorites I prefer Sailor Moon over it.


    Ok compare to DBZ. Goku took about 10 o more episodes(in total of Veg and Buu Saga) to make a god-damned Genkidama.
    The episodes dragged on WAAAY to far.
    95% of the show was just fighting while in Sailor Moon it included more stuff like regular girl high school days etc.
    DBZ fans wanted to see more than fighting. They wanted to see a bit romance and drama ( and if u think Goku dying and reviving is drama )

    SAILOR MOON CAN BE FOR ANYBODY! JUST LIKE ALL THE ANIMES! SAILOR MOON IS NOT ONLY MADE FOR "LITTLE" GIRLS AND DBZ IS NOT MADE ONLY FOR BOYS.

    Also Sailor Moon is one of the first animes one sees and is, like they have said before, a 'gateway anime'



    And you think listening to people talk whole episodes about their past and why they want revenge isn't wasting your time!

    Ok I dont think you can speak for every DBZ fan when you say that "we" wanted to see more of their daily lives because honestly we didn't it was a complete waste of time when they would so Goku at home and what they were doing and the town

    Ok and Goku dying and reviving was some of the drama because if you can think back to the show when they made it seem like if Goku died then the whole universe would come to a end.

    Also sailor moon was not my first anime it was DB.

    oh and listening to them was a waste of time but seeing people going to high school and talking about who they like and what they are going to do tomorrow yes that is very interesting

    and as i said before Sailor moon fighting scenes are not fighting scenes it is only them holding their powers until someone gets tired and then they die. yes these are the best fighting scenes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Ok I dont think you can speak for every DBZ fan when you say that "we" wanted to see more of their daily lives because honestly we didn't it was a complete waste of time when they would so Goku at home and what they were doing and the town
    She cant speak for every DBZ fan, but you can? And showing Goku at home and in town wasnt a waste of time. Believe it or not, Goku does have a life outside of fighting. Its nice to seem him and the others actually enjoying life instead of fighting nonstop all of the time. They guys not fighting is not a waste of time.

    Ok and Goku dying and reviving was some of the drama because if you can think back to the show when they made it seem like if Goku died then the whole universe would come to a end.
    That wasnt drama.

    oh and listening to them was a waste of time but seeing people going to high school and talking about who they like and what they are going to do tomorrow yes that is very interesting
    Lets not over exaggerate now. The girls werent shown in school very often, and they rarely gossiped or talked about guys they liked, etc. The last season is the only notable season of them talking about guys they liked (which were the Three Lights, male popstars), but even then it wasnt redundant.

    and as i said before Sailor moon fighting scenes are not fighting scenes it is only them holding their powers until someone gets tired and then they die.
    Firstly, thats not true. And secondly, DBZ fighting scenes are nothing but the guys punching ultra fast and/or blasting energy beams at each other, which is 95% of every saga. How. Very. Repetitive. It gets old, fast. Compare to Sailor Moon, where the girls creatively use elemental powers over water, fire, lighting, light energy, and magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    She cant speak for every DBZ fan, but you can? And showing Goku at home and in town wasnt a waste of time. Believe it or not, Goku does have a life outside of fighting. Its nice to seem him and the others actually enjoying life instead of fighting nonstop all of the time. They guys not fighting is not a waste of time.

    Well on some level because like there was all ways some 30 boys/girls over my house to watch DBZ and it was no point of watching it when they showed Goku at home. we knew he had a life outside of fighting everyone but we did not want to see that we wanted to only see him fighting. to some people it is nice to see their daily lives but to us it was not and when they were not fighting it was a waste of time.

    That wasnt drama.

    Then what is because that sounds like drama to me

    Lets not over exaggerate now. The girls werent shown in school very often, and they rarely gossiped or talked about guys they liked, etc. The last season is the only notable season of them talking about guys they liked (which were the Three Lights, male popstars), but even then it wasnt redundant.

    I am just going off how people describe the show

    Firstly, thats not true. And secondly, DBZ fighting scenes are nothing but the guys punching ultra fast and/or blasting energy beams at each other, which is 95% of every saga. How. Very. Repetitive. It gets old, fast. Compare to Sailor Moon, where the girls creatively use elemental powers over water, fire, lighting, light energy, and magic.
    DBZ fighting scenes werent creative when they changed to different forms or powers levels no that is not creative what is creative is two girls just standing around holding their powers until someone gets weak and dies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    DBZ fighting scenes werent creative when they changed to different forms or powers levels no that is not creative what is creative is two girls just standing around holding their powers until someone gets weak and dies
    Whats creative is the way the girls use elemental powers over water, fire, lighting, light energy, and magic.

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    I'm going to make the assumption based upon your strong view that it is for little girls only, that you only familiar with the hack job that was done to it by DiC and Cloverway when being dubbed into English. That being the case I can fully understand why you would think that Sailormoon is only for little girls, because that is the demograph it was dubbed for, much to my loathing.

    Let's look at the season finale of the first season when Beryl was defeated and compare the original with the dub.

    The dub was a single episode in which Sailor Moon and the Scouts made their way to the Negaverse. The 4 Scouts get captured along the way. Sailor Moon is transported by Beryl to her throne room where after a brief battle Sailor Moon breaks the curse on Prince Darien. Enraged Beryl throws a rock spear at Darien, who in turn shatters the spear with a rose, hitting Beryl with the Rose. The shards of the spear hit Darien and he falls unconscious. Beryl goes to the Negaforce and absorbs it power. Princess Serena and Super Queen Beryl duke it out in a shortened battle, SQB is killed and everyone is returned to their normal life.

    In the original this season finale was two episodes. The first episode was just getting to the Dark Kingdom. During the trek each of the Senshi guarding Sailor Moon sacrifices themselves to kill one of the enemies sent to kill them. Yes they DIE and are giving very touching death scenes. Sailor Moon must be encouraged to go on alone by the spirits of her dead friends. And at the end of that episode she is spirited away by Beryl to the throne room of the Dark Kingdom. In the following episode, Prince Endymion doesn't just attack Sailor Moon, he tries to kill her, at one point actually choking her. All while under the belief that Beryl is his love and master. Not once does Sailor Moon fight back against the man she loves, for she could never bring herself to hurt him, ever. And with the final attack about to come she finally pulls out the music locket she had given him in their past life together on the night before they both died and restored his memories and shattered the curse. Beryl enraged flings a rock spear at them, Endymion shatters it with a red rose. The rose shatters the spear and strikes a fatal blow to Beryl's chest. Endymion is rittled with the rock fragments and dies in Sailor Moon's arms. Meanwhile Beryl is killed by Queen Metallia for her body and becomes a giant, bent on destroying the world. Sailor Moon, with her friends and the man she has loved from lives before all dead and her family and friends from her new life about to die, she finds the determination to take on Metallia and a fierce battle. And only with the sprits of her friends at her side does she destroy the evil being that had killed them all in their past life. And with the full power of the Silver Crystal released they are all restored by Sailor Mon's desire to live a normal life.

    I must admit though, that the DiC dub back in the mid 90's was my gateway to anime and thus holds a nostalgic place in my heart...the Cloverway dub can just burn in hell.

    What has captivated me about Sailormoon are the rich story lines with issues that exist in everyday life and the life of a super heroine. Issues such as love, dreams, fear, uncertainty, and troublesome issues that we in the real world face. With the addition of villains that want to steal hearts, dreams, souls, energy for their own insane ambitions. And they are stopped by the belief in friendship, love, mercy, justice and most of all faith; faith in one's friends, faith in one's family, faith in those one loves, and faith in one's self. It is so uplifting to see such idealism. Idealism this world needs... at this rate our eye for an eye way of living will leave everyone blind. When one really looks at Sailor Moon, one can see that she is in many ways Jesus, advocating that through love, mercy, and understanding we can all live in peace. But like Jesus, she will stand up against those who would ruthlessly and relentlessly, those without any chance of redemption, who would destroy this world and harm the innocent for their own desires.


    Oh and if I’m right about you only familiar with the dub, I would highly recommend that you take a look at Sailor Moon uncut. It’s an official subbing of the first season with every episode and scene intact.


    Also, if Sailormoon wasn't such a good series with such wonderful characters why would I have spent the last 6 yrs working to meticulously craft what I hope to be the relaunch for the series. A bit of modernization here, some retconning there... and I've outlined the basis for 24 seasons over 8 series, the main series being 10 seasons.
    Plus I am a big DBZ fan, so in my stories I've kicked up the viloence a bit. A perfect exapmle: first episode, one block of Tokyo... leveled, dead bodies strewn about the rubble and the Senshi nearly dead... nice welcome for the Fourth War of Existance.

    Edit: Okay, Breezy, you mention throwing powers at each other until the other gets weak. One, those girls haven't trained in martial arts since they were in diapers like the guys on DBZ did. Two, as I recall most of the fights were throwing energy blasts at each other, and punches and kicks, to wear down an enemy. In DBZ powers were an extension of strenght, whereas in Sailormoon the powers were an extension of will and faith. So those final battles of holding power aginast each other were really in fact metaphores for the battle of wills, ideals, ideas, and desires between the pure hearted Sailor Moon and those that wished ill will on others.
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