Bleach - Official Discussion Thread MK2

[Wio]

281 went by fast. Not a whole lot actually happened.

Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshouu showed no effect though. Ichigo is either screwed or he is going to come up with a new attack.

I still think that his inner hollow could fight better than Ichigo. His hollow is always in his 'killing intent' mode while Ichigo is worried about Orihime's safety.

[Hitsugaya389]

His inner hollow could prob wipe out an entire state

[Wio]

At this stage in Bleach, wiping out an entire state is not that difficult. The reason why Aizen wouldn't allow Karakura town to be destoyed is because he needs it.

[Hitsugaya389]

Ah yes, forgot about that

[Chris-san]

Hmmm...so 282 shows that Ichigo's Vizard for is lasting longer. Does that mean his Hollow is getting closer to coming out, or that he's just getting stronger? It seems to me that he's got some traces of humanity left after how fast he protected Orihime, but...somehow, this fight doesn't look like it'll get resolved without something bad happening to someone.

[Gjallarhorn]

It means that Ichigo is gaining more control over his Hollow and that he is become stronger. If the Hollow were closer to coming out, Ichigo wouldn't be able to use his powers for such a duration of time.

I'm still waiting for the obvious, yet-to-come moment when Ichigo needs to let "the Horse" take control, be it soon or later, it will happen.

[Pernan]

Xero XIII, thanks for the thought. At least my ignorance is justified then lol.

[Hollow Ichigo]

I may have come upon something good.

Kaien Shiba maybe the brother of ichigo. Im not sure but what if Issun left because his son died. Because of this hollow. Also Byakuya called Shiba his senior. Maybe he is older then byakuya. This could be. That could explain somethings in my book. Also if this inst ture then why do they look just alike. This is something that well be reverled later in the serios. Ichigo and Shiba.But also if that was ture ganju and his sister would have noticed that right. Right. Also put a goatee on Ganju and given him issun's hair look alike. yeah to me they do. Also Karin and Kukaku Shiba. they look alike also just a youger verion of her.

Please tell me what you think.

Could they be part of the noble Shiba family

[Mugetsu]

...OMG....strangely enough that almost makes sense. But would that mean that Ganju and Ichigo are brothers? Hmmmmm. That would be kind of weird lol. But I choose not to feed the flames of speculation at this time.

Some interesting chapters. Looks like all the focus lately has been on Ichigo & Grimm. Even other Espada & Arrancar are taking notice, and are actually fearful. And Ichigo has obviously gotten stronger. But there is a huge gap in amount of time he can keep the mask on in his fight with Ulquiorra and this fight with Grimmjow.

Ichigo is my favorite type of hero. He is the type that gets stronger to protect others. It seems like the mask will last only as long as his resolve does. The more he feels he needs to protect, the longer he can keep it on.

Sorry Xero, as much as we all want to see the horse ride the king I don't think it will happen anymore. It seems like they got rid of Zangetsu (sort of) and it looks like they are getting rid of Whichigo. No more voices in his head.

[Wio]

Hmmm...so 282 shows that Ichigo's Vizard for is lasting longer. Does that mean his Hollow is getting closer to coming out, or that he's just getting stronger? It seems to me that he's got some traces of humanity left after how fast he protected Orihime, but...somehow, this fight doesn't look like it'll get resolved without something bad happening to someone.

Well, if you look at the other vizards, you see that they have the ability to control their hollow for almost an endless amount of time. I think it's possible that gaining the ability to be hollow for a long time is something you achieve in great leaps, rather than slow and steadily.


As for Kaien being Ichigo's brother, it is far-fetched. I mean as much as Isshin loves his daughters, he sure as hell ditched his other daughter and Ganju.

[Hollow Ichigo]

Kaien is ichigo little sister.

[Mugetsu]

Kaien is ichigo little sister.

WTH??? Kaien is a DUDE. A former vice captain with Rukias squad. The guy who looks just like Ichigo, only with black hair.

Your probably thinking of Karen. Please pay closer attention...lol.

So has anyone else noticed that Ichigos mask seems to look a little different just about every time he puts it on? Seems like it gets more black.

[Gjallarhorn]

Yeah, I noticed that. I've started to think that the longer he can use he mask or the more control he gets over it, the more black appears on it. But, they haven't really said anything about it, and not enough has happened to solidify my theory.

[Mugetsu]

Thats exactly what I was thinking. At first the mask only had a few stripes, now it's almost half black. So maybe when Ichigo gets full control of his (no time limit) the mask will be half or even all black. Also, all of the Vaizards mask seem to be white. Maybe there is more of a significance to Ichigos mask becoming black. Maybe it means that instead of controlling his inner hollow, he's merging with it. Making it a part of himself.

I believe that the more Ichigo begins to trust himself and his hollow powers, the longer he will be able to keep the mask on. Once he gets rid of his hesitation, he won't have to worry about it disappearing. With Ulquiorra, he didn't do that. He was worried about the time limit and trying to defeat him quickly. He was angry. But now with Grimmjow I think he has been able to keep it on so long because he is protecting Orohime and has more inner resolve and determination.

Just a thought.

[Wio]

I want Ichigo to start growing a Fro once his mask is completely black. Then I want him to walk up to Aizen with a comb in his hair and a basketball by his side saying "Let me show you how it's done"

[Hollow Ichigo]

Yeah and Aizen make alot of fake himself to play. Then ichigo uses the flash steps to make alot of him to play. Gin and Tousen wear Cheerleader uniformed. Renji and Byakuya do the same.

[Wio]

Well, we learned a bit more about the hallows. Does anyone notice that most of Ichigo's mask has been destroyed?


Edit: I gotta also add. I am very annoyed by Grimjaw saying "You actually thing you can beat me?" It's not like Ichigo has a choice. What is he supposed to do?
Ichigo: Oh snap, thanks for reminding me Grimjaw. I almos thought I could beat you for a second... Well, I'll just take Inoue and Nell and leave.

Seriously. I guess it's a japanese thing.

[Tenchi Masaki]

Yes, I have noticed that most of Ichigo's mask has been destroyed so does that hint at a drastic drop in power?

Based on Xero's and Mugetsu's observations it is true that Ichigo's mask is starting to show some subtle changes. If I could put my own two cents into the theory, perhaps in the next chapter or two Ichigo's mask will be completely destroyed but for some reason I have a feeling his power will not disappear. I agree that perhaps Ichigo is merging with his hollow rather than controlling it which might indicate Orihime's monologues about "Kurosaki-kun not being his usual gentle self." Then again we might be looking at this too closely haha, but hey this is why we have a discussion thread.

The history behind the evolution of Hollows is quite interesting and I guess it was somewhat hinted by Rukia's opponent(Arrancar 9...forgot his name it's been a while) and the way he came to join the ranks of the Espada. Also maybe a subtle clue was given towards the last panels of Ishida/Renji's fight with their opponent consuming one of his underlings to recover health(forgot this guy's name too haha I should look them up later, time to backtrack).

Although all our eyes are turned tentively at the Grimmjow and Ichigo fight I seriously want to know the outcome of Ishida and Renji's. I'm an Ishida fan so some closure would have been nice haha, guess we'll have to wait for the outcome of this fight to see the fate of Uruyu and Abarai.

Hopefully this week's chapter will conclude the fight seeing as Grimmjow wants to humble Ichigo. With most of Team Rescue Orihime out of commission let's hope Ichigo can pull through!

On a sidenote: Those female Arrancar featured in the chapter "The Primal Fear" look purty haha. And if I'm not mistaken the one with the well endowed chest is an Espada (the one with a "kakashi-like" mask covering her lower face). It'll be interesting to see their roles in Hueco Mundo and perhaps Hollows/Arrancar CAN fall in love? haha weird thought to think about but you know. There is Nell, a child arrancar...so is it too far-fetched to believe in Arrancar/Hollow reproduction?!?

Haha just a funny thought to ponder on.

Keep the discussion rocking guys.

[Gjallarhorn]

Actually, from what I've heard spreading around in rumor for the next chapter,

 

Noitora interrupts Ichigo and Grimmjow's fight, or will at least show up at the end of the chapter

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Edit: 9000 post mark!

[Tenchi Masaki]

Gratz Xero!

Haha read your little blurb there. Hmmmm that'd be an interesting turn of events...

I suppose if that were to happen they will probably switch back to any unfinished fights and perhaps everyone's fates will overlap shortly afterwards, maybe even bringing Aizen and company into the foreground.

Looks like we got a little less than 24 hours before we know our answer hehe.

[Mugetsu]

(Wow..thats a lot of posts there Xero. This man is a machine lol)

I think the mask is more a representation of the power than the actual source. If teh mask goes I think he can still fight at a high caliber, but we'll just have to wait and see for sure.

As for Orohime's reaction, I think she was afraid of the mask, but more of his aggression when fighting. She hasn't really seen Ichigos best fights. I don't think she actually saw the fight against Byakuya even though she was in the area. And she was even afraid of his power when he fought Yammi. Now she is seeing a Kurosaki that she never imagined and she isn't used to it. To her he seemed like a completely different person.

So basically hollows eat other hollows of equal or greater status to become more powerful. Then to maintain that power they have to keep eating other hollows of equal or greater powers to not revert and lose their self awareness. No wonder these guys don't like each other. Under normal circumstances they would be trying to eat each other lol. I wonder if Arrancar still have to eat like that or did their arrancarization eliminate that need. I assume it did.

And all of those arrancar that followed Grimmjow to the material world the 1st time were with him as hollows. I noticed that their forms as Adjucas was very similar to their release states as Arrancars. Even Gimmjow was just a big cat. But with them wanting to make him King I can see how he feels he's better than everyone else.

I think she (well endowed, Kakashi masked Arrancar) is an Espada. She was the only one that didn't seem phased by Grimmjows & Ichigos power. I was wondering how Nell became an Arrancar when he/she (forgot which one) is so young. I think hollow love may be like Preying Mantis love. Once they mate the female eats the males and goes up a class lol.

I heard the whole Noitoro thing too. I would hate that so much. Why would someone who was ranked 3 or 2 jump into a fight against a weakened opponent with a line like "I'll take this prey". That is so weak. But considering that he said he would move toward a strong reiatsu some time ago it wouldn't surprise me if he showed up.

It still doesn't make sense to me because Noitoro is trying to prove that he is the strongest. Beating Ichigo who was already beaten by Ulquiorra and is currently being beaten by Grimmjow would prove nothing. He just needs to go back to his room and play video games or something.

I am so dying to know whats going on with Ishida and Renji. Plus, are Chad and Rukia dead??? These are some pretty important issues to me lol. I think Nells friends will somehow play a role in the defeat of Grantz. I would never count Ishida out because he always pulls out a new and more powerful trick, but this one is gonna be tough.

[Tenchi Masaki]

I just finished this week's chapter!

That preying mantis theory about Hollow reproduction is an entertaining thought Mugetsu haha. We know Hollows do eat one another to evolve but seeing as I'm a sap for romance that would be so sad if it were true.

I am also concerned about the fate of Chad and Rukia seeing as they have been marked as "dead" so far. It seems that Ichigo is openly admitting that he came to Hueco Mundo to fight Grimmjow and the other arrancar on top of saving Orihime. When I read that portion of the chapter Hollow Ichigo appeared in my mind and I sort of deduce that yes, after their inner battle dozens of chapters back Ichigo now realizes that although he has a resolve to protect his friends, he is also the type of person to seek stronger opponents and become stronger himself.

It seems that some Hollows are unable to evolve regardless of how many other hollows they consume. The whole pre-determined fate/destiny is something I don't like to believe but it seems that's the case with Hollow evolution. I feel a little more for Grimmjow after this chapter, being a King is great but with no loyal subjects under you it would be a very lonely rule. The whole idea of Grimmjow consuming portions of the defeated Arrancar (D. Roy, Volcanica, etc.) you get the sense that Grimmjow does have a faint resolve. Although his comrades are dead they willingly gave them pieces of their body in order to help Grimmjow evolve. So perhaps we shouldn't count out the fact that Grimmjow has a reason to fight other than beating the words "I am better than you" into Ichigo's skull.

Well we'll find out who wins, who loses, and who will crash the party next week. The little blurb in the corner of the last page says it all:

Next: The Conclusion! With Colored Pages!

YES COLORED PAGES! haha.

[Gjallarhorn]

Too bad the colored pages weren't actually part of the fight...but, i did like that one of all the Gotei 13 dolls.

Anyway, we now know who won, and it seems as though Noitora didn't interfere as i had heard. Though, I'd consider that a good thing.

Also, when Ichigo have his little speech "I came here to defeat you, Grimmjow..." did anyone else think of Howard Dean's "We're going to ____, and ____, and then ____, and _____, YEEEAAHHHH!!!" speech? Because, that's the first thing that popped into my head...maybe I'll go ahead and insert that into some of the pages, just for laughs...

[DuckyInMyTrucky]

I'm very interested in how Orihime is going to get out of Hueco Mundo. This fight you can already tell is getting the attention of other arrancars and the female espa. Way the current fight is going there is no way Ichigo will be able to take on another fight. Going to suck for him when Ulquiorra breaks loose.

I figured they would do something similar to this. Ichigo gets beat down then gets even more powerful, witch is cool, wish they would do that with chad just ones other then having his lights knocked out...

[Tenchi Masaki]

Read this week's chapter just now.

That spread with Ichigo, Ishida, Rukia, Renji, and Chad looks awesome!

Well all I have to say about this chapter is...Xero's sources were right. The only thing that's on my mind is the fate of Grimmjow...I'll let you guys check out the chapter and give me your opinion on his vitals.

Glad to see this fight is over...NOW BACK TO ISHIDA AND RENJI PLEASE!