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Just to mention that, but now, this is how I think about it:Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Personally, I ran into it by accident.But this is sort of what makes some people think anime = porn. I'm alright with it.Though good point, just because one looks at it doesn't make them perverted...unless it gets out of hand, that's a completly different story.
Heh, reminds me of one of my favourite quotes:
"At least those monsters go out of their way to please the girl, which is more then I can say of my last three boyfriends."
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S'ok. I've played about a dozen games, read a good amount of Manga. Hardly all that offensive, just drawings of naughty bits. The people of Japan have invented far more depraved things, like bukake. Don't ever search for that word. But suffice to say it's like tentacles: funny as a concept, icky as a reality.
Also, age of consent in Japan is 13, and those vending machines apparently have been removed.
Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.
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welll in my humble opinion i think it suxs but there are people who like it out there people are curious like curious george heck ive seen abit here and there just to see what its all about .....but again if it was up to me
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Thank you for your well defended post. I think it was the ASCII art that sold me.
Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.
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a shame to the world of animation...truly a disgust....
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She opened my eyes...I'm going to go delete all of my hentai and porn...RIGHT NOW.
It's okay to watch hentai, but don't later do "that" to your boy or girlfriend...
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Seriously because of my religion it's a big no-no and I don't watch it ( although I am curious as to why people like it). I guess it's really up to the viewer to make their own opinion and choices on whether they think it is wrong or right.
However I (or other people) can't completely say altogether that I haven't watched it or seen it because of the soft-porn in other non-sexual books but I don't think that it's morally right for someone to read/view things like heintai and yaoi in public either .
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I own/read lots of Hentai... I don't see the problem with it. It's not degrading manga, it just shows that people love the series. If people want to look at it or watch it, I can't see anything wrong with that.
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same reason why exabitionists expose themselves in public
same reason why people have sex with animals
same reason why sadists get off by hurting others
See where i'm going with this? People like it because they get off on it.
I can shamelessly say I like shota, lolicon and furry, although I don't get off on their real life equivelants, which honestly disgust me.
No, it just shows that people love to make pornographic cartoons. It doesn't say much of anything about any series.
Here are my thoughts on the whole thing. Hentai in itself, annoys me. I find that in most cases, it's a senseless waste of an artist's abilities. They're drawing attention away from the actual art, and focusing on a sexual aspect of it, and usually an incredibly unattractive method, no less. Exceptionally disproportionally large breasts are not at all attractive, but that seems to be a recurring theme, along with rape, tentacles, etc.. I don't see how that can be enjoyable at all.
Furthermore, artists who use existing characters are hurting the art of character creation. If I have to see another "Rei X Shinji" or "Ichigo X Inoue" or even "Vash X Wolfwood" I'm going to.. Well, I can't do much of anything but complain about it here, so that's probably what I'll do, regardless. It's a perversion of what the original artists created. It's not like it's easy to create well developed characters for a story. Then people come and take characters, and put them into sexual situations that would never happen in the stories they were created in. I find that an insult to the art, and to the artists who created it.
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Of course hentai is not intended for little kids. um at least i don't think so ^^;
I don't mind watching stuff with it. I mean most anime or manga with hentai usually have a good plot or story.
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I agree with that. I hate seeing characters from other (clean) animes being used in Hentai. Its disturbing actually.Then people come and take characters, and put them into sexual situations that would never happen in the stories they were created in. I find that an insult to the art, and to the artists who created it.
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I must disagree on this part. It is porn, true, but saying it is a disgrace to the original artist would be the same as saying every dub of an anime is a disgrace to the original voice actors. Or saying that every piece of fanfiction -lemon or otherwise- is a disgrace to the original. In other words: hypocritical. Just because it is a type of art that you do not like, does not automatically mean it turns into a disgrace.
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YES!! This is why I create my own characters for all my stories (see the link in my sig, hehehe). I do not want to see InuyashaXKagome or whatever anymore. I mean, okay, it's alright if you do it for animes that already do that (ShuichiXYuki for example, but please, no TatushaXYuki! EWWW, their brothers! >.<), but no VashXWolfwood! Several girls I know are all into the yaoi thing, and that's fine, but NOT THAT MUCH!!! They are obsessed... o.o
But Member Name, I must agree with some that you said. Yes, it is a waist of talent if the creators ONLY focus on the sex parts. But I believe that if it has a good storyline and characers with depth, why not have a sex scene? If you can draw that and make it believable, more power to you. I've already said I don't like tentacles and whatnot, so no worries there.Here are my thoughts on the whole thing. Hentai in itself, annoys me. I find that in most cases, it's a senseless waste of an artist's abilities. They're drawing attention away from the actual art, and focusing on a sexual aspect of it, and usually an incredibly unattractive method, no less. Exceptionally disproportionally large breasts are not at all attractive, but that seems to be a recurring theme, along with rape, tentacles, etc.. I don't see how that can be enjoyable at all.
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And the fact that they make money off of it has nothing to do with it.
Tell that to Masamune Shirow, Jeremy Bernal (as much as I HATE furries...he's still a good artist), Ken Akamatsu, and Azasuke Wind. (just to name a few).Here are my thoughts on the whole thing. Hentai in itself, annoys me. I find that in most cases, it's a senseless waste of an artist's abilities. They're drawing attention away from the actual art, and focusing on a sexual aspect of it, and usually an incredibly unattractive method, no less.
You would be surprised at how many diffrent kinds of hentai there are. I've seen more than enough with normal sized breasts, and without tentacles or rape.Exceptionally disproportionally large breasts are not at all attractive, but that seems to be a recurring theme, along with rape, tentacles, etc.. I don't see how that can be enjoyable at all.
Also, normal anime itself has woman with over-sized breasts.
They aren't hurting anything. As redstorm said, it's like fan-fiction...Thats a perfect way too look at it, a Graphic fan-fiction, nothing more.Furthermore, artists who use existing characters are hurting the art of character creation.
Do you know how many anime artists create hentai based on their OWN series? I already named 2 (Masamune shirow and Ken Akamatsu)It's a perversion of what the original artists created.
If you ever see a doujin by the artist "Big Boss", It will be either...
-Love Hina
-Negima
-A.I. Love you
And it looks identical too the actual manga of each, why? Because Ken akamatsu IS Big Boss.
As for the Shirow example? Read his art books...he Has some echhi in there. He also has his own series of Adult artbooks, he's one of the artists who always stays under their real name.
The thing is, Most anime artists go under Pen Names when they draw hentai, why...I have no Idea. Maybe to protect themselves? Maybe for flare? Either way, a good half of them get found out.
Another reason they may drawn hentai?
An out of work Mangaka who's series has just finished may need too make some money, so he draws some doujins of his/her (that's right, female hentai artists do exist) previous work while they brainstorm Ideas for their next manga.
OR
It may be some "what if they..." Scenario's from the arist. Also, it could just be fan service to please some fans without destoying the original peice.
I doubt the artists who created the anime's CARE. Otherwise, they would have said something about all of the doujins and had them pulled off the shelves. Now, don't get me wrong...Some people do say something, Which is why hentai for some series is rare (Metal Gear Solid is the rarest I can think of atm)It's not like it's easy to create well developed characters for a story. Then people come and take characters, and put them into sexual situations that would never happen in the stories they were created in. I find that an insult to the art, and to the artists who created it.
Oh, and a side note. a lot of hentai date sims have good artwork as well (EVERYTHING by Peach Princess has great artwork as well)
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A lot of hentai sims have some of the best art I have seen so far. It's not as if the characters are always naked anyway.
I crack up every time I see this, It's impossible to have an actually serious talk on the subject of hentai (or porn in general). Since those who are repulsed by it will never understand why others like it, and those who like it will never convince the repulsed that it isn't horrible. I honestly can't think of anything less erotic than cartoons having sex, but clearly that doesn't apply to everyone. And no I don't have a huge collection or any other crack pot theory on those who don't like it.SERIOUS DISCUSSION!
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Those examples were directed twords the rabid fan-girls who hate hentai, yet they have Naruto/Sasuke Yaoi in their sig.
Edit: And I forgot to mention, the closet pervets who can't admit it (I know a few on this forum)
A dub is not hurting the art that the original anime was. It's bringing the story to a new audience.
Fanfiction, however... At the risk of taking my rant off topic, nearly all fanfiction IS an insult. In the same way that hentai would be taking characters and putting them in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story, poor fanfiction that either a) puts the characters in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story or b) is nowhere near correct as far as the characters themselves react to things, is just as much of an insult.
I don't have a problem with a sexual encounter in a story. But why make it pornographic? Once again, like I said originally, that takes the focus away from the real story and art.
I'd be more than happy to voice my concerns to them, and tell them how they should stop wasting their talents on something that can be just as effective when drawn poorly.
Incidentally, I have no interest in any of these mangas for the same reason. It gets too ridiculous, the stories aren't clever or interesting. They're just meant to be for the simple minds who desire sexual stimulus in an abnormal fashion.
I'm not completely familiar with Japanese copyright laws, but I will say that either the copyright laws are different, and these sorts of things are allowed, or perhaps the publishers are getting paid well for the use of their characters. Fact is, whether or not the artists care, these are still as much a perversion of the original stories as it would be to put Michealangelo's David into a sexual pose.
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Then how about the dubs that change the Japanese culture items to fit with American culture ones?
And what do you do when reading fanfiction? You pick out the good ones. So what can you do when watching hentai? Pick out the good ones. True, it is hard to find good hentai since the most hentai has little to no story at all, but they are there.Fanfiction, however... At the risk of taking my rant off topic, nearly all fanfiction IS an insult. In the same way that hentai would be taking characters and putting them in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story, poor fanfiction that either a) puts the characters in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story or b) is nowhere near correct as far as the characters themselves react to things, is just as much of an insult.
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Which is why artists draw hentai, so nothing is taken away from the original story and art.I don't have a problem with a sexual encounter in a story. But why make it pornographic? Once again, like I said originally, that takes the focus away from the real story and art.
Yet again, they are making money, and as long as they are making money I don't see how they waste their talent. Mangaka's are out there to get payed just as much as they are out there to create.I'd be more than happy to voice my concerns to them, and tell them how they should stop wasting their talents on something that can be just as effective when drawn poorly.
You missed the point completely. I was just using akamatsu as an example to prove my point of anime artists drawing hentai on their own series.Incidentally, I have no interest in any of these mangas for the same reason. It gets too ridiculous, the stories aren't clever or interesting. They're just meant to be for the simple minds who desire sexual stimulus in an abnormal fashion.
Japanese Copy-right laws are, more or less, the same as american copy-right laws.I'm not completely familiar with Japanese copyright laws, but I will say that either the copyright laws are different, and these sorts of things are allowed, or perhaps the publishers are getting paid well for the use of their characters.
Permission is required by the artist, and in turn, they will get paid as per your second example.
Perversion, thats the key word. Thats the PURPOSE of hentai, to ease the perverse fantasies of fans. However, your argument of hentai being a perverse of the original story goes out the window when you talk about hentai thats original.Fact is, whether or not the artists care, these are still as much a perversion of the original stories as it would be to put Michealangelo's David into a sexual pose.
In which case, the only argument you have left is the argument about artists wasting their talents on perverse, unarousing artwork. This is STILL not a waste of talent, as they still make money. If you make enough money drawing hentai to get your bills payed and have some extra money in your pocket then I fail to see how it's a waste of talent.
Oh, and yes some H-manga are poorly drawn, but so are a lot of normal manga. But to say every last H-manga is poorly drawn is the same as saying every normal manga is perfect.
Culture needs to be translated as much as language does. You should know better than to think otherwise.
Granted, I don't go out looking for "good hentai" but I have yet to find any hentai based on an existing good story or series that can be considered "good" by the standards of the original story.
Make good art without making it pornographic. When it's pornographic, most people are looking at the sexual theme to it, not the art quality. That's degrading to the art form, to say the least.
If I were making $100,000 annually programming a calculator to display "Hello World" I would consider it a waste of my talent. I'd still do it for the money, because I feel that earning money like that would be important to supporting a family. But my talents as a software developer are best used in solving complex problems. Writing programs that could make tedioius jobs easier, etc. In the same way, an artist who can draw beautiful pictures should not be wasting his or her talents on a perversion of that form of art without a good reason. I have this same fundamental feeling about all forms of pornography. A beautiful girl shouldn't be wasting such beauty on people who just view her in a sexual manner. Not that modeling to sell clothes is a whole lot better use of her looks, but you certainly can understand the difference in how she is being viewed in the two situations.
I think I was more illustrating my belief in the value of good story
If they are the same as American laws, then the artist himself doesn't even necessarily get a cut of it. Just the publisher, depending on the contract, and who owns the rights.
Refer to my previous comment.
I'd like to think that poorly drawn manga could make up for it with good story. But I can't say that either. Don't know why those get purchased, and encourage the artists to continue... But I'd feel better about the world if they stopped.
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