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    Default Fate...

    Do you believe in fate?

    Some people I know believe in fate in (such as your is predetermined)

    And some people believe in total fate(Such as every action you take is predetermined.)

    So...what do you believe in?
    And if you have any theory in fate I'd love to hear em'


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    well can i ask you first, why you picked the word fate and not destiny??and o yah i think your post is incomplete..can you complete it first coz i kinda lost it there =.=

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    Predestination is impossible. You can't know the future without changing it (thus invalidating your knowledge of it), thus making predictions (and having a fate) would also be impossible.



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    I believe this topic is already in discussion. Fate vs. Freewill has always been in arguement, such as Nature vs. Nurture.

    My thoughts are free will. You always have a choice, but the outcomes and ripples of that choice make life what it is. Everything is just a choise and more choices, with outcomes and consequences of each choice. Fate people don't really have an arguement other than "That choice was already made for you", but if the chioce existed, that's still free will.

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    Actually Fate Vs Free will is a different topic then, Do you beleive in Fate.

    You can know the future with out changing it. For a simple example: You could know that you're going to get hurt today. You can avoid it all you wish...but you don't know how or when. So it is inevitable.

    I beleive you can know your fate, or destiny but only to some extent. There's no way that you can know the exact location at the exact time, who was there, what happened etc.

    Anyways, Fate is used more often meaning is't like a past, present and near future tense While Destiny is used as a far future tense.
    Examples:
    Fate:
    Boy: Why's he die mommy?
    Mom: It was his fate, son.

    Destiny:
    Boy: But Sense, I don't think I can.
    Sense: It is your destiny to grow up and be the champion of the world, I can sence it.

    Well, my take on fate is that it is all just beleif. It's like religon, he beleives Buda is god and she beleives that Jeasus is god Others beleive in Bishnu. Some people beleive fate exisits while others think it is what you would call poppycock. Fate is something Human's created to explain what they don't and never will know. Humans do not like to be unknowlegable. When someone asks a question then they need to figure out the answer somehow. So Fate answers many questions.

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    I believe some things are just meant to happen, but I also think we make our own destiny.

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    I believe in fate.... I think that everything happens for a reason. The bad things in life make us stronger, etc. And maybe everything is predermined. I think that may be the case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Third
    I believe in fate.... I think that everything happens for a reason. The bad things in life make us stronger, etc. And maybe everything is predermined. I think that may be the case...
    The idea that everything we do is predetermined makes me think that life would be pointless, that we are just a machine filling out are required job... That idea just cant work for me - how futile is our lives if we have no choice in its course?

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    I believe in fate, but i think we can shape our own destinys. At one point I used to believe that everything was decided by fate, I still believe that strongly, but I believe we can change our destiny.



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    I don't think "Fate" and "Destiny" are the same thing. Fate is what you have no control over. Destiny is what you want it to be. You control your destiny. But fate is fate. So to answer your question. Yes I believe in fate.

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    see every thing happens for a reason and you cant change wat should of been so if you try it will still happen if it was supose to

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    I believe that there is a predetermined future for everyone...but every step you take can change the outcome of your destiny. So it's like a mixture of predetermined fate and not knowing the future. You can decide whether or not you should go in your "predetermined" steps...I hope that wasn't too confusing.


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    I guess i do but i'm not sure of myself

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    Everything has a purpose. A Beginning & an Ending. And everything that happens has a purpose and has a meaning. And everything that happens causes a chain reaction, no matter how small. Everything is already written for us because we have already decided what we are going to do, it just understanding why we do it, is the real question.

    Here are some examples.

    This pencil has a purpose, its purpose is to be left behind the mans desk for years until one day, while clearing out he finds it, and places it in his pocket. While walking home he gets attacked but jabs the pencil in the attacker’s body. Although never used for its main reason of being, the pencil has served a purpose, to protect the man. And now his whole outtake on life will change, he quits his job after the court case and starts writing. I know this is elaborate buts it’s the easy way to get it through.

    The 100th British man to die in Iraq causes a huge chain reaction back at home. His purpose was to die and bring much more awareness back in England about the stupidly and worthlessness of the war. This causes doubt and anger in England, making the priministers job much more difficult. For better or for worse? I do not know but that was the man purpose and its reaction is being filled out right now.

    Maybe my purpose and so called fate is to make people realise this complex system. Or maybe not. I just know this will cause some chain reaction, however big or small.


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    i was told once by a sunday school teacher that god has someone for everyone when it comes to love, but yet u still have freewill, i was told that god will move heaven and earth to bring two people together , your soul mate could be thrown infront of you and be right before your eyes, but some people over look them, being their choice and then , well your screwed getting divorced or ending up alone, or perhaps with some one u might not love as much as you could.

    however i dont think i belive this because no one has come to me by fate that i know of, either way im leaning towards free will



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    It is all a load. There is no force or anything of that sort which can plan out our lives for us. To do so is simply impossible, as Dieselmannen stated. And even if there was such a thing as fate, would it really matter? I mean, if the idea of fate even were to have any logical sense behind it, would that not mean that it has predetermined that you will question it? If that is the case, there is no point in knowing it exists, other than to know it exists. It will neither benefit nor harm anyone, seeing as we would not be able to control it, nor read into it. Basically, to spend your time pondering over the existance of fate is futile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xero XIII
    It is all a load. There is no force or anything of that sort which can plan out our lives for us. To do so is simply impossible, as Dieselmannen stated. And even if there was such a thing as fate, would it really matter? I mean, if the idea of fate even were to have any logical sense behind it, would that not mean that it has predetermined that you will question it? If that is the case, there is no point in knowing it exists, other than to know it exists. It will neither benefit nor harm anyone, seeing as we would not be able to control it, nor read into it. Basically, to spend your time pondering over the existance of fate is futile.
    i agree with Xero XIII....even if there is such a thing as fate, why should we worry about?
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    I belive in fate to an extent....
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    I think life can be part fate, part freewill. Not exactly sure how to explain why I think that way, and I don't have any set in stone way to back it up, but that's how I tend to look at it.

    Although I do believe in the idea that when you meet certain people at a point in your life, you were meant to meet them and you are meant to learn a lesson, whether it be learning from their mistakes or them sharing ideas or experiences with you. I met this lady who is now my riding instructor a few months ago, and the timing of when we met and what our situations were, it was almost as if the timing was perfect. Even though she is 54 years old and I'm only 15, our experiences and views on things have been solutions to each other's problems. When I think about when I met her, I do think we were meant to know each other. You can't explain it, it's just a feeling that you have.

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    I believe fate in the most scientific way possible. We are a product of our memories and genes, and there is nothing we can do to change that. Everything you do is a reaction your surroundings and those two factors, so if you were to live your life again, you would make exactly the same decisions all over again.

    Upon realizing this, one may think that it's prudent to rebel against this "fate"---act completely out of character in spite, but that is ALSO a part of your fate, and also something you would, were you given the chance, repeat all over again.

    This however, does not imply any sort of logic, predetermination or intelligence behind fate.



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    Like Xero put it, Fate has no harm nor benefit, no escape nor controll. If there is such a thing as Predetermined Fate.
    Still, saying "everything you do is already predetermined, there's no escape" is like saying "You exist in a universe, there's no escape" or "That's the cheesyest cheese", there's no sense in it. It's like saying a self-confirming, self-denying truth, neither the truth nor the false counts, more like a Paradox, i'd say.
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    I Don't look at fate as a pre-determined event.The way that I look at it,is that every little choice that you make will eventually lead up to a one-in-a-million encounter with someone,something,or situation,ect...What I mean by this is that,if you were to change just one of your choices,then it might be possibible that you'll miss that one-in-a-million encounter with something.

    So with that said,I guess i'm saying that every little choice you make leads to something that could have easily not have happend, if you were to just do one thing differently.That is my definition of fate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Krsnik
    I believe this topic is already in discussion. Fate vs. Freewill has always been in arguement, such as Nature vs. Nurture.

    My thoughts are free will. You always have a choice, but the outcomes and ripples of that choice make life what it is. Everything is just a choise and more choices, with outcomes and consequences of each choice. Fate people don't really have an arguement other than "That choice was already made for you", but if the chioce existed, that's still free will.
    Exactly. I agree with this statement.
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