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    Gah. Do what I do: Listen to the Dub with subtitles. Problem solved. You can get your literal translation if and when you want it, and watch the animation when you don't. Is this so hard a concept to grasp???
    Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhatten_Project_2000
    Gah. Do what I do: Listen to the Dub with subtitles. Problem solved. You can get your literal translation if and when you want it, and watch the animation when you don't. Is this so hard a concept to grasp???
    Makes sense to me. It is just odd at times.

    I feel if I'm comfortable enough with the dub, why bother with subtitles?

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    Default Name calling is so Juvenile... a last resort eh (shrugs)

    About being biased...
    I put up this topic to see if people agree or disagree with me about subs and dubs. I'm merely discussing to everyone everything about the topic. It just so happens that I prefer subs most of the time. I already told you guys that but you ladies prefer to go on the defensive even though I stated that there are some dubs that I like.

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    For starters Robotech is awesome...
    LMAO ...
    Jesus tap dancing Christ and you call yourself a "proud Macross fan " LOL.
    Every Macross fan (real ones) knows that robotech is the laughing stock of anime world especially in Japan. The Japanese don't even acknowledge that robotech exist. You are VERY wrong my dear Darth Tyranus to conclude that it wonít likely ever see the light of day in America. The people behind robotech in fact knew they have a sure hit and they made sure that they needed to add or change a lot of things so that to take credit as well for its success. So what if itís done better, itís totally irrelevant if itís done better because it had nothing to do with the real flow of the story Shoji Kawamori wanted it to be.

    It's a work of art ruined FYI.
    It's like when you take the Mona Lisa or Michael Angelo's David and give it a whole new look so that it will be acceptable to your liking. You donít rewrite or redraw something just to enjoy something artistically made. You accept it for what it is and enjoy it. Not the other way around.

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    I'll smell and lick my tv and touch the screen while I'm at it maybe I can get a deeper meaning from the showsÖ

    *sigh* Itís a shame youíre limited to literal comprehension. It doesnít even come close to being funny because Iím still laughing my butt out over the fact that you think robotech is awesome while claiming to be a proud Macross fan .

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    You're either an idiot that hasn't seen enough modern dubs to know what s/he's talking about (4kids doesn't count and neither do dubs from before the anime boom... everybody hates them) or you're a nitpicker that considers any small changes to make it more understandable to this culture to be butchering. (i.e. changing a reference to a Japanese band to an American band with a similar reputation so that viewers here will get the point instead of sitting there scratching their heads wondering who the hell the Pillows are) Or maybe you're both. Either way, you're getting on my nerves.

    Just because Robotech sucked doesn't mean that all dubs change major plot points or mismatch characters. (I haven't seen Robotech, but I get the picture from what I've heard on this thread) At worst, common dubs change small references like the one I mentioned in parenthesis earlier, and it doesn't hurt the series overall. Some dubs are pretty terrible (like Love Hina... poor Kitsune, she always gets the short end of the stick), but I think that its safe to say that most modern dubs sound professional at least, and a fair amount are acted out just as well or better than their Japanese counterparts.

    And God forbid that dubbing companies and their Japanese partners make money. Last time I checked, they weren't getting any advertising revenue from dubbing anime and putting it on DVD, so they have to pay for their rescources somehow. These aren't just fansubbers that can do this in their freetime, these are people that are marketing anime so that they can reach the general American public, signing television deals, putting them on DVD, and distributing them so that the average person can have those DVDs in their home. And that's just the licensers. Its a full time job.

    And they're helping the anime industry in Japan too. They have to buy those rights, and while I don't feel like looking it up, I'm pretty sure that all of the original license holders in Japan get part of the cut of the revenue made from selling the DVDs of their shows. We get English dubbed anime, and the anime industry both here and in Japan get richer, which means more anime for us. Its not a bad deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janethan23
    *Ignorant Noise*
    There, once again, I've paraphrashed it.

    How can you insult someone in such a manner? What and who makes you the supreme overlord of all anime and the determiner of what is the right and wrong way to view it? What, in Oden's name, makes you think that you have begin all, be all, end all say on what is right and wrong when it comes to viewing something that YOU DID NOT CREATE, just because someone prefers to take it a different way than you. If Kawamori didn't want the story changed at all, or if he minded nearly half as much as you did, he wouldn't have signed over the rights to SDF1-Macross. You know what he was probably thinking?

    "Oh, thats all right, more money for me, and to provide for my family. Sounds good to me."

    You know what, I LIKED ROBOTECH TOO! And I used to watch it when Moltar from Space Ghost was running Toonami.

    I like my coffee black.
    My friend likes to dump a pound of sugar in his.

    We like to take it different ways but it is still basically the same thing. It'd be silly for me to criticize him and say "j00r teh newb and not a real coffee fan because you put sugar in yours, that makes you lame and I'm laughing my butt off at you for differing from myself".

    That is what you sound like, FYI....
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow Hiei
    Just because Robotech sucked doesn't mean that all dubs change major plot points or mismatch characters.
    Chill out ...
    It was just an example of how far dubbers can go dude. I'm not generalizing the whole dubbing industry my goodness coz I enjoy some dubs too. Take it down a notch and take less coffee from now on ok.

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    "All I can say is that it's not entirely anime if it's not in Japanese meaning being able to see and relish the anime in its complete form the way the creators wanted it to be makes the anime for true anime fans like me more fulfilling to watch. It's a pity most of you need dubs in order to enjoy a show well that's probably fine if it works for you but let me tell you that depending too much on dubbed will sometimes miss-inform & lead you in the wrong direction due to cultural differences and monetary gains. Dubbers concern is to make money lot$ and lot$ of it from someone elseís work and they usually do a piss poor job at it simply because they usually don't understand the creators point of view and creativity."


    Sure sounds like a generalization to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janethan23
    About being biased...
    I put up this topic to see if people agree or disagree with me about subs and dubs. I'm merely discussing to everyone everything about the topic. It just so happens that I prefer subs most of the time. I already told you guys that but you ladies prefer to go on the defensive even though I stated that there are some dubs that I like.
    .... Okay, so why do you follow that up with:

    LMAO ...
    Jesus tap dancing Christ and you call yourself a "proud Macross fan " LOL.
    Every Macross fan (real ones) knows that robotech is the laughing stock of anime world especially in Japan.


    So first you claim that you are not biased, then you start generalizing again.

    Why should Darth not be a 'true' Macross fan if he likes the dub more then the original? There is absolutely no valid reason to call someone not a true fan just because he likes a dub more then a sub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow Hiei
    Sure sounds like a generalization to me.
    No it isn't...
    If you really read my post you'll see that I also mentioned that what works for you is just fine because it sometimes works for me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janethan23
    No it isn't...
    If you really read my post you'll see that I also mentioned that what works for you is just fine because it sometimes works for me too.
    "Dubbers concern is to make money lot$ and lot$ of it from someone elseís work and they usually do a piss poor job at it simply because they usually don't understand the creators point of view and creativity"

    You're trying to tell me that that isn't a generalization?

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    Quote Originally Posted by red storm
    Why should Darth not be a 'true' Macross fan if he likes the dub more then the original? There is absolutely no valid reason to call someone not a true fan just because he likes a dub more then a sub.
    On the contrary...
    1st - robotech is a pathetic and poor attempt to be anime and it has no value in the Macross storyline.

    2nd - Macross is Macross so saying that you like the other (robotech) is a contradiction. It's like saying you're with (A) but you're actually a (B) lover. Who's fooling who?

    3rd - There's nothing wrong liking the dubbed original but not liking the original itself sounds more like a conditional fan. "I like you as long as you do this... if you don't do this and that then I don't like you."

    4th - Real Macross fans respect Shoji Kawamori's work. Not some wannabe writter who wrote that joke robotech.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadow Hiei
    You're trying to tell me that that isn't a generalization?
    Going too literal on me by taking a couple of words out of context and disregarding the entire message is too trivial for me. Don't bother replying to me if you're too busy jumping on a couple of words that are part of the entire message. You make things sound different by just highlighting a fraction of what I'm saying.
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    I prefer subtitled. Not for any noble otaku reasons and need for authenticity or any of that crap. I just like listening to the Japanese voices they make me happy, I don't know why they just do. It makes about as much sense as my jello obsession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janethan23
    On the contrary...
    1st - robotech is a pathetic and poor attempt to be anime and it has no value in the Macross storyline.
    Dooy, so because it changed a few names here and there and made the story run more fluently it sucks?

    2nd
    - Macross is Macross so saying that you like the other (robotech) is a contradiction. It's like saying you're with (A) but you're actually a (B) lover. Who's fooling who?
    And that's wrong... how? Macross is the original, no arguments there, so how is it wrong to prefer to watch Robotech as oposed to Macross. Liking both but prefering the other is in no way wrong. In fact, it's the same as what you do, but instead of prefering the Japanese, Darth prefers the dub.

    3rd
    - There's nothing wrong liking the dubbed original but not liking the original itself sounds more like a conditional fan. "I like you as long as you do this... if you don't do this and that then I don't like you."
    Actually, its exactly what you do, except to you it is the other way around. "I only like anime if it's Japanese, all things beyond Japanese suck!" Sounds pretty conditional to me.

    4th
    - Real Macross fans respect Shoji Kawamori's work. Not some wannabe writter who wrote that joke robotech.
    There you go again, 'real Macross fans do this and that' and you keep claiming that you don't generalize?

    Taking someone's work and tweaking it to improve it (which, I might add, they needed Shoji Kawamori's permission for) is not heresy. Look at a typical American example, King Kong. It has been reshot, improved, tweaked, redone, and spinn-offed countless of times. Every film was slightly different, some better, some worse but all tried to improve on the original.
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    Stop being foolish. Cultural translations are no more changing the story than language translations are.

    Remember, (style change for emphasis) Japanese and American cultures are quite different and should be treated as such. For a while, there was no understanding of Japanese culture in the U.S.. So why shouldn't the culture be translated along with the language, if the story is intact? You are what is known as a closed-minded purist, and you have no reason to be such. Accept Anime for the art that it is, and allow the language to be a small part of it, instead of the main focus.


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    This is getting good.

    a word of advice to shadow: hey id shut my trap if i were you. i know your motive, you just go along with ppl who have more posts, hide in their shadow, because it makes you look smarter, your like the range attack of forums, weak and annoying and hard to kill. so maybe ts about time that YOU should start saying things when YOU know what YOURE talking about.

    anyway, back to macross and robotech... I have never seen Macross, all i know is that robotech is just a rip off of mobile suit.
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    macrosse and robotech... i have never heard of these two before where does everyone get to see them because its hard to look for anime and download them or watch all of them online


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    Quote Originally Posted by Asc3ndancy
    This is getting good.

    a word of advice to shadow: hey id shut my trap if i were you. i know your motive, you just go along with ppl who have more posts, hide in their shadow, because it makes you look smarter, your like the range attack of forums, weak and annoying and hard to kill. so maybe ts about time that YOU should start saying things when YOU know what YOURE talking about.

    anyway, back to macross and robotech... I have never seen Macross, all i know is that robotech is just a rip off of mobile suit.
    Oh yeah, I'm teaming up with these guys! Over here joining in with them telling you how dumb you are for hating Robotech and refusing to acknowledge it as anything but some [mangled] version of Macross. That's what all of my posts have been about.

    I haven't even been reading the other guy's counter posts, because I don't know anything about Macross and can't really join in. For all I know, I'd agree with you. I'm just attacking your ridiculous generalizations that a lot of dubbers try to alter stories points and character traits. They don't.
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    Rip off of Mobile Suit?
    I saw The Robotech series before I saw anything to do with mobile suits. All I knew was veritechs.
    And before them came Voltron and Techno Man. So if you want to talk about rip offs, then all giant mecha anime are rip offs of Voltron and Techno Man, if not Gigantor itself.

    GIGANTOR. GI-GAN-TOR.

    Anyway, I'm just waiting for us to be told that we can't be real anime fans if we aren't 100% Japanese, because that'd make us 99.99% Original. I mean, why should we be able to appreciate something of a different culture if we can't even watch it in our own freaking language? Right?

    Hiei, you have my respsect. It doesn't matter whom you side with, so long as you aren't so closed minded. I don't mind anyone who prefers subtitles, but when people get like Janethan up there, then a problem arises.

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    Japanese with subtitles. The dub just feels weird.

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    I like both, most dubbing isn't that bad my only problem with it is that the young girls seem to have high pitched voices (I'm trying not to generalise) which gives me a headache.

    I usually watch the japanese with subtitles after I've watched the dubbed version, so that I can have a bit of varitey which is always good.

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    What the hell happened to my other post?

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    yeah some dubs have good voice actors while others just don't sound right...... but I like subtitiles better tho.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellybaby
    I like both, most dubbing isn't that bad my only problem with it is that the young girls seem to have high pitched voices (I'm trying not to generalise) which gives me a headache.

    I usually watch the japanese with subtitles after I've watched the dubbed version, so that I can have a bit of varitey which is always good.
    Uh most young girls actually do have high pitched voices.
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    Depends what i'm watching really, Some anime are good dubbed, some sound better subbed...others it doesn't matter either way.

    and Janethan, Be silent. It's called an opinion, get over it. Not everyone is going too share yours. He likes robotech, who the hell cares.

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