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    Default Anyone think the Church is a little outdated?

    The (catholic) church has been around for what, 2,000 years and has barely changed at all. Even the changes were made over centuries. Does anyone think its time for the church to update itself a little? If so, what should be changed?
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    The Catholics don't have to change. If you're a Christian, and you're not Catholic, find a Protestant church that fits your wants. Seriously, I have driven through towns where you had four Babtist churches on the same street.

    Personally, I believe that the Church is changing. If not Catholics, then Protestants. Wasn't it just last month the Vatican announced another change?

    Oh and, anyone who views all Christians as mindless bigots who are intolerant of any other way of belief is a mindless bigot who is intolerant of any other way of belief. You can't change their minds, so accept it and move on.

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    I live in Louisiana, which is like the buckle of the Bible Belt. There are Baptist churches EVERYWHERE.

    I personally don't go to a Christian church; not only because I don't worship their God, but also because I think of it a nuisence to waste 1-2 hours being lectured when I could be sleeping or studying.

    But, anyways, SOME Christian churches are horribly outdated, but some are "modern", as they call themselves. When they call themselves "modern", they usually mean they sing the upbeat, new songs and have a whole bunch of electronical equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackk
    The (catholic) church has been around for what, 2,000 years and has barely changed at all. Even the changes were made over centuries. Does anyone think its time for the church to update itself a little? If so, what should be changed?
    if it worked then its fine now btw Im not including catholics.
    Church teachings aren't suppose to be updated like phone books.

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    the church is not out dated
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    Quote Originally Posted by halcyon23
    the church is not out dated
    It may not be outdated but it seems that churches aren't going for the younger generations. I'm a christian but domenations don't really effect me because everybody has their own interpitation of the bible. You merely have to find a place where you understand and the bible is told in truth. Sadly though some churches twist the bible, so you have to watch out for that too.

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    how can a church get outdated????
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    I despise religion.. the only exception being Buddhism.

    All the rest, especially Catholicism and Islam, ought to be purged out of existance. Priests, Imams, whatever they are .. biggest hypocrites of the world representing the greatest sham organizations of the world.

    Something really needs to be done about their poison, but everyone is too weak to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagat
    I despise religion.. the only exception being Buddhism.

    All the rest, especially Catholicism and Islam, ought to be purged out of existance. Priests, Imams, whatever they are .. biggest hypocrites of the world representing the greatest sham organizations of the world.

    Something really needs to be done about their poison, but everyone is too weak to do it.
    That is one of the most stereotypical, short-sided things I have ever seen you say, and you've said some pretty idiotic things in your short membership here. To suggest that all people who don't share beliefs with you are absolutely wrong and should be "purged", that is very reminiscent of some of the darker parts of religious history, and is in fact, incredibly hypocritical on your own part.


    Religion as a whole is a very important part of society. It's one thing that brings people together, whether or not what they believe in is actually true. In many cases, this brings people together in an effort to maintain some sense of morality, which is very valuable, again, no matter what you believe in. There's nothing wrong with having certain political views rooted in a religious belief system, nor is there anything wrong with sharing these views with others.

    The areas I don't agree with are when people of one religious belief will condemn someone else for what they believe in. I feel very strongly that people are allowed to believe what they do, and that people should be allowed to discuss and debate these beliefs, but not that you should tell someone that they are wrong or evil or horrible for believing them. I don't believe you should harm others for disagreeing with you. I don't believe you should treat others poorly for disagreeing with you. And if you believe in something so hard for me to believe in, like... The Flying Spaghetti Monster, then I should respect that you believe in it.

    I do believe that churches and religious beliefs should change with the times, and I think many churches do not do this. It's difficult, because people by nature value tradition, and "The way we've always done things." And while it's important to maintain some sense of tradition, especially in the case of Christianity, where we are taught to spread the message, the Church should evolve along with the generations so as to be more effective in reaching people. Without that, any church will eventually die out, and be nothing more than a memory.


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    No, I don't think so..
    The church is based on old things..

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    I think churches are corrupted and evil. They tell you to put your money in a shiny bowland if you don't they say you will go to hell. That is very wrong in my oppinion.


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    Meh, not really my business, since I have no care for it. People can do as they please, so long as it doesn't affect me.

    Except it's really annoying how many churches there are here. I am not lying when I say there are over one-hundred churches in my town, and it is a VERY small town. It's ridiculous.



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    Is the Church Outdated? Possibly. It is true that any reforms they have claimed to make towards their polocies might as well still be present since they stell warrant penalty from the higher-ups in the church. What Im trying to say with that is that though the church makes the laws saying "you can do this" when it was previously unacceptable it doesn't matter since you still get frowned upon. It's like it never left. I think, frankly, the church is full of crap. They think they can speak for god? Baloney. You expect me to believe that in all of the cosmos, in all of the life that may be out there, the creator of the Universe in it's entirety speaks directly to some decrepit old man living in Rome and tells him what to do? This is the lord of the universe, why would he be talking to Pope Sidius XVIII? So in other words, I do think it's outdated. And I do think it's full of crap. And I don't believe in it's actions. But if you want to, fine. I don't care, I respect your beliefs and I can't sway you from it. But at the same time, don't try to sway me from mine.

    I think churches are corrupted and evil. They tell you to put your money in a shiny bowland if you don't they say you will go to hell. That is very wrong in my oppinion.
    Oh please. Stop regurgitating George Carlin's Outdated rants (as funny as the man is). Don't base your opinion off the church off of pop-culture. I base my opinion of the church off of a Christian Church class Im forced to take in school.


    edit again: I've been to quite a few Masses in my life and quite a few religion classes and nowhere does it say you are obligated to give money ot you'll go to hell. You're encouraged, but not forced. The worst punishment you'll get is a dirty look from the bible thumpers when the mission basket is being passed around.
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    Yes, the church is outdated, so is religion, many attitudes, our ways of thinking, and whatever else.

    People twist religions to make it what they want it to be, or what they think it is, such as with the christian religion. It is no longer about 'love for your neighboor' anymore - now people use it to justify rights/wrongs .. 'if you do this, you go to hell', if you don't do this, 'you go to hell', 'being gay is evil and then you go to hell' .. really, I refuse to believe any of it. I can think for myself.

    The bible is also horribly outdated. If people spent less time corrupting religion and twisting it and actually listening to what it really meant, then probably people would be better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackk
    The (catholic) church has been around for what, 2,000 years and has barely changed at all.
    Well, that's sort of their Raison D'ętre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regex
    That is one of the most stereotypical, short-sided things I have ever seen you say, and you've said some pretty idiotic things in your short membership here. To suggest that all pe...
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    Well, I think that depends on what you are looking at is outdated. If it's just the superficial appeal to people that's one thing. If it's some of the traditions and beliefs that are inconvient in modern society, that's different. I think religion should change to an extent, but if the values, beliefs and traditions are being sacrificed then the religion is either obsolete or at least on it's way there. Once you sacrifice the core of the religion to gain popularity what message is that really sending about the religion? If you believe something different fine, just go elsewhere. If the religion itself no longer withstands time, changing will only buy it some time before it dies out into a different religion or denomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagat
    I despise religion.. the only exception being Buddhism.

    All the rest, especially Catholicism and Islam, ought to be purged out of existance. Priests, Imams, whatever they are .. biggest hypocrites of the world representing the greatest sham organizations of the world.

    Something really needs to be done about their poison, but everyone is too weak to do it.
    Reminds me of a quote by Nietzsche:

    "As is well known, the priests are the most evil enemies--but why? Because they are the most impotent. It is because of their impotence that in them hatred grows to monstrous and uncanny proportions, to the most spiritual and poisonous kind of hatred. The truly great haters in the world history have always been priests; likewise the most ingenious haters: other kinds of spirit hardly come into consideration when compared with the spirit of priestly vengefulness." - Genealogy of Morals, Second Essay, Section 7

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    I think that the bible and the basic tenets of the catholic faith are dated - perhaps not outdated, but certainly many of their ideas go against things there is either plain evidence for or accepted moral cause to ignore.

    I think, however, that the majority of worshippers have a mildly changed view of the religion that I find much more modern and adaptable, and actually very good. The different branches of the society (christianity, islam, protestants, catholicism, judaism) all disagree on various things based less upon what their holy books say (though this is true in part) and more on what basic tenets they have.

    (Note: the reason i group all of those religions as seperate 'branches' is because they are - Judaism is the base, and tacked onto it was christ, who according to the christians was the last prophet and/or son of god/god itself, and Islam is the same thing, just seeing jesus as 'one of many' different prophets, and Mohammed as the main prophet. They all worship the same god, they just disagree on certain prophets and rituals)

    I personally find it difficult to believe in a god, simply because I don't see the point.

    However I greatly enjoy talking to people whose belief drives them to do good. It makes me very happy that some people can take a belief and turn it into a force for good in the world.

    What I cannot stand, and what I would love to debunk or somehow stop, is the idea that religion can be used as an excuse to hurt people. I don't believe many christians, jews, or muslims really believe that their faith sees hurting people as good anymore, yet religion or piety is still used to justify otherwise morally abhorrent acts.

    That I dislike. If you want to believe what you want to believe, I congratulate you for your belief. If you want to hurt people with your belief, or somehow make yourself less responsible for that hurt using your belief, then I do not believe you are a truly pious or good person.

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    That is one of the most stereotypical, short-sided things I have ever seen you say, and you've said some pretty idiotic things in your short membership here. To suggest that all people who don't share beliefs with you are absolutely wrong and should be "purged", that is very reminiscent of some of the darker parts of religious history, and is in fact, incredibly hypocritical on your own part.
    It has nothing to do with not believing what I believe, but you're such a snide little dolt, that you never realized that and instead jumped to conclusions. It was personal opinion, nothing more - and I didn't and still don't care to even begin to explain why I really feel like that. I bet you felt all great and mighty though to make such a statement against me which unfortunately for yourself is completely hallow because it missed it's mark terribly. Congratulations on making me think you're even more of an idiot.

    Diesel; that quote by Nietzsche almost exactly sums up what I think. But then again, according to dimwit up there, I am merely echoing Stalin and think everyone who doesn't think like me ought to vanish.

    If you think I'm ignorant do me a favour and kill yourself. I'm entitled to my opinion you Nazi's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagat
    It has nothing to do with not believing what I believe, but you're such a snide little dolt, that you never realized that and instead jumped to conclusions. It was personal opinion, nothing more - and I didn't and still don't care to even begin to explain why I really feel like that. I bet you felt all great and mighty though to make such a statement against me which unfortunately for yourself is completely hallow because it missed it's mark terribly. Congratulations on making me think you're even more of an idiot.

    Diesel; that quote by Nietzsche almost exactly sums up what I think. But then again, according to dimwit up there, I am merely echoing Stalin and think everyone who doesn't think like me ought to vanish.
    You wonder why someone might say something like this? You said that all religions with the exception of Bhuddism should be purged? Do these religious beliefs match up with your beliefs? Did you say they should be purged? Logically, with even a small understanding of the English language, putting those pieces of information together, that is what you said. The responsibility of communication falls on the speaker. Now if you failed to communicate your point properly, the fault is your own, and this does not make an idiot out of me. Nonetheless, the focus of what I was saying was not about what you believe. Now you're the one making the assumptions.

    To say that Catholicism is so bad because of a series of corrupt priests is about as smart as saying we should destroy the whole of Canada because of a corrupt Parliament. It's a very foolish thing to say. No matter what your reasons are, you are stereotyping an entire belief because of a small percentage of people claiming that belief. I've discovered one trend when I was studying various religions:
    It appears that the most outspoken and noisy people of any religion or belief system are not speaking on behalf of the majority of people who share their religion or beliefs.

    Now if you're going to make bold and bigoted statements like the ones you made, be prepared to have people challenging you. If you can not, or are unwilling to support what you have to say, then there was no point in even saying anything in the first place.

    I think you really should look into the Bhuddist teachings sometime, and consider what it offers. Because from the way you act here, you certainly look like you could use a little enlightenment.


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    The church may be old fashioned, far too much for its own good perhaps. But prophets don't pop up every day of the week, so one has to base religion on old knowledge. And as long as they don't bother me, they can do whatever they want. If, however, the church in one way or another should begin to interfere with my lifestyle and wellbeing, I would not take it lightly. And odds are that it just might.

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    It's not just the corrupt Priests, its the very teachings themselves. The Bible. The inconsistencies with the Bible, the way things don't work out properly. Now, just because I've recently read the Da Vinci code doesn't have much to do with this, I already didn't like Christianity (I already knew about sang real/san greal and Mary and all that jazz but it did further my views) and especially don't like priests/ministers/rhabbi's/imam's you name it - but I won't lie, if you read the Da Vinci code it does highlight very many reasons why I do not like Christianity/Catholicism

    I know not all are corrupt, but I believe all are somewhat. Even those who believe the teachings earnestly and teach them out of love and compassion because in the end they still help spread this stuff.

    I can't really put all these thoughts of mine into open, aside from not really wishing to there is the time thing and I'd have to sit and think it all out and sort out the multitude of reasons in my head etc. But a simple example are things like how when building churches in midieval times, people who helped volunteer time to build them were "guaranteed a spot in heaven".

    One of the many things that bothers me about priests as well is that they do not have to be powerful because of personal skill - something that separates the wheat from the chaff. Instead they can merely rely on passages and quotes from a book, a relic of an old time that should have stayed such. Even the most stupidest of men can use this method and become "elevated" above the rest of the stupider people who venerate him as some sort of enlightened man. And these men and those who listen to them deafly believe that by showing up at church once a week their souls and sins are forgiven and they are once again white as snow?

    Such a sham religion. Such a sham, dumbed down, illusionary comforting religion for the pathetic masses to keep them mindlessly trodding on with the faint promise of something better at the end of life. Perhaps this is why every leader realized the great potential of control that religion has to offer? Because it contains the mind of so many and offers all but the very strings in which to make these human marionettes dances?

    I don't feel like delving into this any further. I've only scratched the tip of the iceberg and I'm already fatigued.

    And I did think about Buddhism once, but realized that I could never live up to it's teachings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Svensk Tiger
    The church may be old fashioned, far too much for its own good perhaps. But prophets don't pop up every day of the week, so one has to base religion on old knowledge. And as long as they don't bother me, they can do whatever they want. If, however, the church in one way or another should begin to interfere with my lifestyle and wellbeing, I would not take it lightly. And odds are that it just might.
    Well, actually, there has been a number of newer prophets. They founded Islam, and Bahá'í, amongst other things.

    --edit-- Seriously, what the freck? Who repped this post down anonymously, and why? Coward! Reveal yourself!
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