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    Now, for those of you who haven't beaten [or played] FFX, this might contain major spoilers. Well, you know how FF7 has a lot of mythology in it? If not, read these:

    http://www.final-fantasy.it/mithos.html

    http://forums.adventchildren.net/showthread.php?t=49858

    Well, I have another theory [although it may not be true] on the mythology behind FFX.

    I belive the real world setting may have been sometime from the fall of the Romans, all the way up to probably the Renaissance. Zanarkand, one of the great machina cities. Zanarkand represents Rome, and the Roman Empire. Sin, represents everything that led to the downfall of the Romans. As you know, it was Sin that attacked Zanarkand, and destroyed the machina cities. Now, when Tidus wakes up 1000 years later, he finds himself in Spira, or in my case, the Middle Ages. Yevon, is the "religion" of Spiras people. In the Middle Ages, Europe [Spira] was Catholic. In the Middle Ages, the Church forbid and Greek or Roman influences, or else, you were considered a heretic [not a follower of a certain religion]. Yevon, outlawed the use of machina, which was used by Zanarkand and other great machina cities. The Al Bhed, are desert people. They are related to the Muslims. During the Crusades, the Christains were trying to reclaim the Holy Lands [Jeruselum] from the Muslims. The "Holy Lands", in FFX, is the Al Bhed "HOME". During one crusade, the chrisitians went in and killed every single Muslim in the city. That is what the Guado tryed to do in FFX. Of course, like the Catholic Church, Yevon was corrupt. Yuna and her guardians, I think represent the followers of Luther, the first group to break away from the Cathlolic church.

    In short:

    Zanarkand - Rome
    Sin -Everything that led to Rome's downfall
    Yevon- Catholic Church
    Yuna and guardians - Followers of Luther
    Machina - Greek/Roman culture
    Al Bhed - Muslims
    HOME - The Holy Lands
    When HOME was destroyed - The Crusades
    Spira - Europe in the Middle Ages


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    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Martin+Luther

    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...Renaissance%20

    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Middle%20Ages

    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...Roman%20Empire

    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/crusades
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    I wouldn't really call your finds "Mythology" seeing as how most of them happend/ exist.

    Zanarkand - Rome Rome used to exist: Not a myth
    Sin -Everything that led to Rome's downfall Rome did fall :Not a myth
    Yevon- Catholic Church Theres still Catholic Church :Not a myth
    Yuna and guardians - Followers of Luther No idea
    Machina - Greek/Roman culture The culture rome and greece followed were real (as far as we know): Not a myth
    Al Bhed - Muslims Still a real religion today :not a myth
    HOME - The Holy Lands Sort of a myth
    When HOME was destroyed - The Crusades That happend:Not a myth
    Spira - Europe in the Middle Ages Didn't seem like Europe to me...but none-the less, the middle ages happend: Not a myth

    I would call these Historical similarities to actual events than mythology.

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    Well, mythology was the only name I could think of.....
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    this is a classic case of over analyzing something to give it more meaning than it actually has.

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    Darth's got a point. It's kind of like Biology. You don't really want to know it, but someone shoves it down your throat anyway. Pretty intersting though.

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    Intriguing. I love this kinda stuff. I fail to see the reason why Darth "Merry Christmas" Tyranus has to be right about everything. It could be true y'know.


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    I haven't played through any of the Final Fantasy X games, so I won't read it, in case I'll play it some day
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    eh..rome, luther, early modern civilizations,....my head hurts...shoulda listened in class.x.x

    anyways...yeah some most of ff 10 does relate to history and stuff...makes me wonder what ff7 comes from..

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    Ah, I really don't care. FFX was a game and that is all it'll be to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faceless111
    Ah, I really don't care. FFX was a game and that is all it'll be to me.
    good point...that takes alot off my mine...eh...yeah..now i forgot what homework i had tonight...oh well...ill just go play a game and not think of relating it to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sword
    Intriguing. I love this kinda stuff. I fail to see the reason why Darth "Merry Christmas" Tyranus has to be right about everything. It could be true y'know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaMeGoD
    good point...that takes alot off my mine...eh...yeah..now i forgot what homework i had tonight...oh well...ill just go play a game and not think of relating it to anything.
    Yeah. I mean really, come on. Why try to relate a Final Fantasy game with anything other than mindless hours of leveling up and beating the game. If I wanted a history lesson, I'd be more likely to look at a textbook. I don't want to learn about the American Revolution when I play Metroid Prime or anything of the sort.

    On an unrelated note: That new game, Magna Carta, can go shove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Tyranus
    this is a classic case of over analyzing something to give it more meaning than it actually has.
    I don't know about all of the FFX stuff... or any of that FFVII stuff on those sites but... Theres actually a book that explains everything about FFVII. It connects everything to whatever myth it belongs to... And fills in some information that wasn't explained thoroughly enough in-game and gives alot of otehr information.

    And as everyone should already know Final Fantasy games rely on Greek, Norse, and a couple other types of Mythology(Sometimes the bible as well) to create names, places, a bit of storyline, etc... They didn't make up the names Ifrit, Shiva, Odin, Gilgamesh, Eden, Cerberus, Midgar, Balamb, Lifa Tree, Zanarkand... They all took them from a certain mythology and used them appropriately... This should be pretty well known already.

    Its your choice if you want to actually read about it, get more information and form your own theories... If you don't, then thats fine too...

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    interesting, i finished FFX a dozen times already...yet i never noticed this




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    If I want ythology in my video games, I want it in the open. Age of Mythology, anyone?

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    That new game, Magna Carta, can go shove it.
    I'm pretty sure that's just anotehr fantasy rpg, I don't think it has anythign to do with real history.
    I don't know about all of the FFX stuff... or any of that FFVII stuff on those sites but... Theres actually a book that explains everything about FFVII. It connects everything to whatever myth it belongs to... And fills in some information that wasn't explained thoroughly enough in-game and gives alot of otehr information.

    And as everyone should already know Final Fantasy games rely on Greek, Norse, and a couple other types of Mythology(Sometimes the bible as well) to create names, places, a bit of storyline, etc... They didn't make up the names Ifrit, Shiva, Odin, Gilgamesh, Eden, Cerberus, Midgar, Balamb, Lifa Tree, Zanarkand... They all took them from a certain mythology and used them appropriately... This should be pretty well known already.

    Its your choice if you want to actually read about it, get more information and form your own theories... If you don't, then thats fine too...
    Mista they are slapped on for effect and that's it, shiva is a cool name so why not use it? Never mind that the god shiva doesn't have a damn thing to do with ice. Face it it's the truth, the games are as shallow as a puddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Tyranus

    Mista they are slapped on for effect and that's it, shiva is a cool name so why not use it? Never mind that the god shiva doesn't have a damn thing to do with ice. Face it it's the truth, the games are as shallow as a puddle.
    My guess is Shiva was the closest thing to a God(dess) of ice for the Japanese to pick.

    There are several names and "powers" that the Indian God has... I read up on it and heres what I came up with...

    The Dance of Shiva
    The flood of nineteen-twenty-four
    Was horrible in Rishikesh
    It carried away many Mahatmas and Sadhus
    This is the dance of Siva.

    The impetuous Chandrabhaga
    Turned its course in 1943
    People crossed it with difficulty
    With the help of elephant
    This is the dance of Siva.

    In the morning of eleventh January 1945
    There was fall of snow
    On the surrounding Himalayas
    The chill was terrible
    This is the dance of Siva.

    Lord Visvanath dwells now
    In a place where there was forest.
    He pleases the whole world.
    He bestows health and long life.
    This is the dance of Siva.

    Forests become Ashrams,
    Islands become an ocean,
    Ocean becomes an island,
    Cities become deserts,
    This is the dance of Siva.

    Siva gazes His Sakti
    Then there is the atomic dance
    There is the dance of Prakriti
    Lord Siva merely witnesses
    This is the dance of Siva.

    Then Prana vibrates, mind moves,
    Senses function, Buddhi operates,
    Heart pumps, lungs breathe,
    Stomach digests, intestines excrete,
    This is the dance of Siva.

    This is a world of change
    A changing thing is perishable
    Know the Imperishable
    Which is changeless
    And become Immortal.


    I'm guessing the Japanese took what they wanted from him and left everything else out.(The fact that its a "he", the fact the he has other powers etc..."

    And I guess they also chose him since hes usually portrayed as a blue god with like, water coming out of his hair. <_<; Also, a few of his most popular "worshiping spots" seem to be in the mountains in caverns where alot of snow and ice stalagmite form...

    Yes, I admit it's pretty gay how they would have chosen him(her)... But I don't believe they chose him without thinking about it.

    The other summons and places seem to have better stories behind them.(Better than Shiva anyway.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Tyranus
    I'm pretty sure that's just anotehr fantasy rpg, I don't think it has anythign to do with real history.

    Mista they are slapped on for effect and that's it, shiva is a cool name so why not use it? Never mind that the god shiva doesn't have a damn thing to do with ice. Face it it's the truth, the games are as shallow as a puddle.
    Shiva doesn't have to have anything to do with ice just because the name is used for an ice elemental summon. Shiva is an Irish goddess, which is the reason for her look/costume. Especially in FFX.

    Btw Darth, why do you exist mainly in the FF and Eva threads, If you totally hate them? Is It because you like to tell everyone that they are wrong?


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    Shiva doesn't have to have anything to do with ice just because the name is used for an ice elemental summon. Shiva is an Irish goddess, which is the reason for her look/costume. Especially in FFX.
    An irish god? Are you trying to sound like an idiot? That whole post was stupid, I mean damn that's bad.
    Btw Darth, why do you exist mainly in the FF and Eva threads, If you totally hate them? Is It because you like to tell everyone that they are wrong?
    iIt's a combination of things, but I hate seeing garbage praised. Especially when talkign abotu how deep it is.
    I'm guessing the Japanese took what they wanted from him and left everything else out.(The fact that its a "he", the fact the he has other powers etc..."
    I think you're still giving them to much credit, what would help is if we could find anything about the summon shiva or why they chose the name. And at best they cherry picked their data, making it just as meaningless. And mista find me a passage that says eden was a giant floating space ship. Go on I dare you.

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    What I said about Shiva is true man. Owned.


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    When did irish become a religion *** hole? The most popular religions of Ireland are sects of christianity. No shiva.

    Shiva doesn't have to have anything to do with ice just because the name is used for an ice elemental summon
    Oh and this, this part right here. Proves me right since you're just out right saying it means nothing, dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Tyranus
    And mista find me a passage that says eden was a giant floating space ship. Go on I dare you.
    Alright Darth... I'll guide you through this one... This is one of the things I was talking about if you just think about it deep enough... It's a pretty short explination so it shouldn't be hard to understand at all.

    Ahem...

    FFVIII...

    Soldiers that train in military facilities called Gardens... From what we've seen, some Gardens can move and become large ships...

    (You might already see where I'm getting at.)

    Alright... If you go through all books of mythology and such where would you find something about the ultimate garden ever made(A real garden)... This would be found in the Bible... The Garden of Eden...

    So Eden is the Ultimate Garden. And the ultimate summon.

    Understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Tyranus
    When did irish become a religion *** hole? The most popular religions of Ireland are sects of christianity. No shiva.


    Oh and this, this part right here. Proves me right since you're just out right saying it means nothing, dick.
    I can't believe what you just said. You couldn't be more idiotic if you tried.


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