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    Default Neon Genesis Evangelion SECRET episode.

    I remember a very long time ago, somebody to me that there was a secret episode of Neon Genesis Evangelion that is ....uh...."hentai" in nature. I haven't heard anything about it since. Is this unusual rumor true.


    No!! I DON'T HOPE THERE IS ONE!!!!!! I hope it's a lie, personally.

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    It's not a lie at all. Gainax, the company who produces Evangelion, has a somewhat extensive line of pornographic Eva materials...mostly nude figurines, dolls, and the like. And yes, a hentai episode. And yes. The characters featured are very much underage. And yes, Gainax is scum. Always was.
    Well, I just don't want to be a part of something I don't approve of anymore, and haven't approved of in a long, long time.

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    Wow, is that really true? I think I've seen a hentai figure once. Gainax shouldn't exploit Evangelion. That's a nu nu.

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    I totally agree. But this thread needs to stop because i just learned that were not allowed to talk about that kinda thing. Someone close this thread please.

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    While discussing it in a mature fashion is not against the rules, we don't necessarily want to promote such things.

    I don't think the thread is breaking any rules just yet.


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    I think we're okay as long as we keep it within the bounds of intelligent discussion...but the question has been answered, at least. It exists.
    Well, I just don't want to be a part of something I don't approve of anymore, and haven't approved of in a long, long time.

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    Okay then, Here's a new question. Don't you hate it when people do things like this to your favorite shows? I know I hate it with a blind rage.

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    Yeah Totally. Evangelion is just too....Grand (in the larger sense) For hentai.


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    Honestly I've never seen the show.

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    From what I understand a lot of anime's get turned into hentai. It's really disturbing.

    I hate those things to no known limitation. Especially when it comes to some of my more favorite series. The thought of it becoming pornographic is just infuriating. Granted I don't object to things like fan service, but there's a very fine line. I hate nudity and am not too fond of suggestive animation.



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    Well, there's always people who make hentai for almosy any anime with a semblence of popularity. The difference here is that it's almost NEVER licensed by the company that owns the trademark.
    Well, I just don't want to be a part of something I don't approve of anymore, and haven't approved of in a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeijouOmni
    It's not a lie at all. Gainax, the company who produces Evangelion, has a somewhat extensive line of pornographic Eva materials... a hentai episode. And yes. The characters featured are very much underage. And yes, Gainax is scum. Always was.
    Umm, no. Gainax didn't make the hentai episode. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/colu...erman.php?id=7

    And what's so wrong with making a hentai version of an anime? Its not like anyone is forcing you to watch it. Just ignore it.

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    I believe i can speak for almost everybody when i say that we fall in love with the characters. they become are children so to speak. Making a hentai version of the show is like discovering your little girl has posed for playboy.

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    Yeah, it's a perversion of what the characters were created for. Imagine if someone made a pornographic version of some famous work of art.

    On top of just this, if they are using the characters without permission of the owners, then there's a legal issue. Copyright laws prohibit the use of intellectual property without permission. In this case, the Evangelion characters are being used pornographically. One person is claiming that the creators of the original anime made this, in which case it's perfectly legal. Another person cites a web site that says he doesn't know who made it at all, but he's got it in his mind that it was not the original creators. Should Mr. "Answerman" be correct, then it is not legal, and therefore wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiryuu
    Umm, no. Gainax didn't make the hentai episode. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/colu...erman.php?id=7

    And what's so wrong with making a hentai version of an anime? Its not like anyone is forcing you to watch it. Just ignore it.
    Episode made by them or not, that doesn't change that fact that there is official Evangelion hentai out there. And even if Gainax didn't make it, they haven't taken it to court, and no one can say who DID make it. All that aside, there are still quite a bit of scantilly clad or just plain nude figurines and merchandise available for Eva, as confirmed, but for obvious reasons not shown, on this page.
    http://www.animetion.co.uk/Evangelion/merchandise.htm
    Well, I just don't want to be a part of something I don't approve of anymore, and haven't approved of in a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakakame
    From what I understand a lot of anime's get turned into hentai. It's really disturbing.

    I hate those things to no known limitation. Especially when it comes to some of my more favorite series. The thought of it becoming pornographic is just infuriating. Granted I don't object to things like fan service, but there's a very fine line. I hate nudity and am not too fond of suggestive animation.
    ok i know that its wrong for hentai to come out with the characters of ur fav shows but its a fact of anime. or any cartoons. there will be pervs out there wanting to see auska nude(just saying as a hyathatical thing) then the company will make it if they think it will make money. plus u know it was bound to happen since misato always says at the end of every episode "oh and there will be more fan service" hint hint. if it will make money is the motto of everything like books games, and movies they even make porn games now its just a fact of supply and demand


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    Quote Originally Posted by I'minlovewithkizna
    I believe i can speak for almost everybody when i say that we fall in love with the characters. they become are children so to speak. Making a hentai version of the show is like discovering your little girl has posed for playboy.
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    Yeah, it's a perversion of what the characters were created for. Imagine if someone made a pornographic version of some famous work of art.
    Why children? More than likely, none of us had anything to do in the creation of that character. Complaining about a character being used in a hentai just means that you're too obsessed with the character.

    On top of just this, if they are using the characters without permission of the owners, then there's a legal issue. Copyright laws prohibit the use of intellectual property without permission.
    I doubt any of that matters since there are thousands of h-doujins out there and more are still being made.
    One person is claiming that the creators of the original anime made this, in which case it's perfectly legal. Another person cites a web site that says he doesn't know who made it at all, but he's got it in his mind that it was not the original creators. Should Mr. "Answerman" be correct, then it is not legal, and therefore wrong.
    Just because its not legal in your eyes, doesn't mean other people aren't going to do it. This "one person" doesn't have any proof as well, so how can you say that Mr. "Answerman" is automatically wrong?

    Also, I have not seen the word "gainax" in the entire hentai film, so that means gainax couldn't have made it. Don't you think they would want to cash in on this kind of thing?

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    Uh, not saying that the Eva cast members are OUR children, but they ARE children. And complaining about the character being used in hentai isn't about obsession. I really don't like Eva, and I'm complaining. And as for the anime I do like, obsession still isn't an issue. If you like and respect a work, then it's degrading to see those characters taken completely out of context for perverts with no respect for the original creator's vision. If you find it okay that someone else's work that you enjoy and admire is being altered and peddled as smut then you clearly aren't a very loyal fan or you're just a pervert. Period.

    And there's no such thing as "legal in our eyes" It's legal or it's not. Now...there's the matter of legality in different COUNTRIES...but that's not the issue. The problem is mostly that copyright laws are more relaxed in Japan, and almost not enforced at all in China. There are dozens of articles about how the sales of fake brand names are a huge industry in China, and rarely is anything done about it because it's GREAT for their economy. Also, in many countries, hentai is protected under "parody" laws. Still...the laws are there. So are laws for child pornography, while we're at it. But THAT'S somehow made okay when the characters are only animated. And, honestly...it just BLOWS my mind that somehow it's okay for people to like naked cartoon children. These people should be made to get help.

    Finally, not putting your name on something doesn't mean you didn't make it. Though they probably didn't, your logic is flawed in that they ARE cashing in on this. Half of the art and merchandise out there on Evangelion features the female characters half naked...or completely so. There's a freakin' video set called "Naked Against the Angels." And they're releasing a new "Female Angel" figurine line that are just naked women with a very, VERY miniscule resemblence to the original angel, maybe the same color scheme or a small piece of similar apparel. That hentai video, regardless of who made it, is advertisement for all the other perverse stuff they push.
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    Well, I just don't want to be a part of something I don't approve of anymore, and haven't approved of in a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiryuu
    Why children? More than likely, none of us had anything to do in the creation of that character. Complaining about a character being used in a hentai just means that you're too obsessed with the character.
    Having respect for a form of art (I'm talking about the storytelling more than the actual artwork) is not obsession. Perverting the characters to a sexual nature is corrupting the integrity of the story that was originally created.

    I doubt any of that matters since there are thousands of h-doujins out there and more are still being made.
    We do know they are made. This doesn't make it legal according to the laws passed by the applicable governments.

    This "one person" doesn't have any proof as well, so how can you say that Mr. "Answerman" is automatically wrong?

    Also, I have not seen the word "gainax" in the entire hentai film, so that means gainax couldn't have made it. Don't you think they would want to cash in on this kind of thing?
    I did not specifically support either argument. I stated it as it was. This is the most likely argument of any of it. While not foolproof, it does have merit. However, much like Disney's alter ego Tristar, many publishing companies hide the name of their company when publishing things they don't necessarily think fit the image they want their name to have.


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    And there's no such thing as "legal in our eyes" It's legal or it's not.
    Yes. I know that. But the way he wrote his sentence makes it seem like just because he says something is illegal (according to the law) automatically means everything else that everyone says otherwise is wrong and not truthful.

    Finally, not putting your name on something doesn't mean you didn't make it. Though they probably didn't, your logic is flawed in that they ARE cashing in on this. Half of the art and merchandise out there on Evangelion features the female characters half naked...or completely so.
    I don't see the relevance of saying that they're making money off merchandise that they obviously made. I was talking about the hentai episode, which they didn't. I didn't say anything about toys and whatnot.

    There's a freakin' video set called "Naked Against the Angels."...etc.
    Hmmm... google search didn't show me anything other than the actual evangelion episode that had that as its title. Very strange...

    That hentai video, regardless of who made it, is advertisement for all the other perverse stuff they push.
    That's not the point, wouldn't it make them more money if they were to market it themselves?

    And what really makes those toy models so perverse anyways? Just take off the clothes of any doll and its naked.

    Perverting the characters to a sexual nature is corrupting the integrity of the story that was originally created.
    Like I said before, why should it affect you to begin with? Its not like they're forcing you to watch or buy the stuff. Heck, they pretty much did actual sex scenes in the show itself, and I don't see why you're opposing it so strongly now. This also goes into the figurines themselves, the series shows naked people already. It's not really that odd for a line of toys based on this to pop up. Is it more wrong because you can actually touch these naked dolls?

    Hmmm... I wonder, have you actually watched this hentai video? Because if you had, it's pretty obvious that the animation is nowhere near the actual show. So I don't see how gainax could have made it. You'd think that something made years after would look much much better since they've had a lot of experience with it already.

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    I'm no longer arguing who made the video or not, as we don't know, and possibly never will, the point is that it's out there. As such, it IS advertising for the toys and dolls. Which makes money for them whether they made the video or not. And whether it's an episode on tape or a tape with a number of episodes...it's STILL indicating that there are NAKED PRETEENS. And about taking the clothes off of dolls, yeah...you can do that...and they're not anatomically correct in any way, and the intention is to put them in different outfits. Not quite the same as these nude EVA figurines. Just because a show has naked characters in it doesn't make it okay. Just about every anime has some nudity, partial or otherwise. The producers don't market it out to make money, ESPECIALLY when the characters are underage. It's just indicitive of the moral fiber of the people who put Eva out. It boggles my mind how anyone can conceivably begin to defend, albeit not terribly well, either stealing other people's characters OR underage animated pornography, and thus far the arguments for such actions seem to boil down to "Who says It's so wrong?" It almost rings of the second episode of "The Boondocks."
    Well, I just don't want to be a part of something I don't approve of anymore, and haven't approved of in a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeijouOmni
    and thus far the arguments for such actions seem to boil down to "Who says It's so wrong?" It almost rings of the second episode of "The Boondocks."
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    Like I said before, why should it affect you to begin with? Its not like they're forcing you to watch or buy the stuff. Heck, they pretty much did actual sex scenes in the show itself, and I don't see why you're opposing it so strongly now.
    Corrupting the story to turn it into something based around sex completely calls the whole story into question. Whether or not the original creators promote or allow such things to happen, if it does happen, the story's integrity is shaken. As for using characters for your own stories, we can look at the many different lines of Star Wars books. They don't match up anymore, and then Lucas went along to say that he adopts the books as Star Wars fact. (Ignoring that his own stories don't even match up -- That's a discussion for another thread) The integrity of the whole story is lost. This is a problem for people who actually are interested in the story, not just looking at pretty fight scenes (or in the case of anime, pretty girls)


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeijouOmni
    I'm no longer arguing who made the video or not, as we don't know, and possibly never will, the point is that it's out there.
    You were the one who started talking about all that other stuff when the whole point was that Gainax wasn't the one who made it. It was pretty obvious from the beginning that it's out there.
    And about taking the clothes off of dolls, yeah...you can do that...and they're not anatomically correct in any way, and the intention is to put them in different outfits. Not quite the same as these nude EVA figurines.
    Show me a picture of these nude figurines and the normal figurines.
    Just about every anime has some nudity, partial or otherwise. The producers don't market it out to make money, ESPECIALLY when the characters are underage. It's just indicitive of the moral fiber of the people who put Eva out.
    So just because you say they don't mean they actually don't\won't ever do it? There are plenty of stuff out there. The only way they could make it is to get permission from the company\producers. I doubt they are all bootleg.

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    The Article 177 of the Penal Code puts the age of consent for sexual actitvity at thirteen (13) years.

    Since Gainax is from and is in Japan, it is perfectly fine for them to do whatever they're doing now. Just because you think its wrong doesn't mean it completely is.
    Just because a show has naked characters in it doesn't make it okay.
    Yes, but that's just your opinion.
    It boggles my mind how anyone can conceivably begin to defend either stealing other people's characters
    That wasn't the point. All I was talking about is that Gainax didn't make the episode. It was you people who brought it up. And how was I defending it? All I did was say that just because its supposed to be illegal doesn't mean people are going to stop doing it and its still going to be made.

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    Like I said before, why should it affect you to begin with? Its not like they're forcing you to watch or buy the stuff.
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    So what's the argument then?

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