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    isn't it written in the Bible that you can't be attracted to the same sex?
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    my pastor got me to think this was a sin
    and that it should never be done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiroko-Hanae
    isn't it written in the Bible that you can't be attracted to the same sex?
    *sigh*

    No, it's not. It is not written anywhere that homosexuality is a sin. It merely states that sodomy is a sin. Enormous difference.

    The blame on all of this 'God hates fags' crap is blamable only on your interpretation of it - or how it was translated from Hebrew. Apparently the most exact translation was 'do not lie with a man as with the layings of a woman,' which could be interpreted as 'do not sleep in women's pajamas.'

    Since I am too lazy to write everything out myself, allow me to quote another:

    ďAnd with a male you shall not lie the lying down of a woman
    is, as was stated, the most literal translation of Lev 18:22. The authors of the Hebrew Bible frequently use the verb construction "to lie" as a euphamism for sexual penetration: vaginal penetration in the case of male-female intercourse, anal penetration in the case of male-male intercourse. Thus, in this verse the subject is anal penetration.

    The translation found in most modern Bibles, "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman" assumes that the injunction is directed toward the penetrative partner; essentially, you shouldn't penetrate a man, you should only penetrate a woman. But the original verse is a cognate-direct object construction analagous to other Hebrew idioms like "to dream a dream." So in the case of Lev 18:22, the injunction is directed toward the submissive, or penetrated, partner, since he is the one who is lying the lying down of a woman.

    Why would this be a problem for the ancient Hebrews? There are two reasons, which I'll outline here. The first is that the Hebrew theology was exclusive, based on setting the ancient Hebrews apart from all other peoples of the world. This separation was accomplished through adherence to the type of strict societal rules found in Leviticus and Deuteronomy: if you're a Jew, you don't eat shellfish and you don't touch a menstruating woman; that's the sort of thing that distinguishes your people from everyone else, which is necessary, since you're YHWH's chosen. The system is based on the idea that some animals fall outside the natural order: fish are supposed to have fins and swim, but shellfish don't, so they fall outside the natural order, and are thus impure. The same applies to male-male intercourse. Now, if you want to apply every code in the Hebrew scriptures, including the laws governing diet, marriage, and slavery to modern life, then you might at least have a doctrinal argument for condemning male-male intercourse. But otherwise, there's no reason for it.

    Reason number 2: to be penetrated anally was an act of submission. The Hebrews are notoriously possessed of an overpowering desire to be free from domination. Thus, they would be opposed to any act that implied acquiescence to another.

    As a final point, the Hebrew Scriptures do not condemn homosexuality, they condemn male-male intercourse. There is no mention of oral sex, lesbianism, or any type of romantic love between memebers of the same sex.
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    oh i have no problem
    i have never thought about it before,
    but yea,
    now and then there are many gay people getting Married
    and there are famous people,
    but if that is what they want and their are not
    attracted to the same sex ok fine then.
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    Thanx Whispers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whispers
    *sigh*

    No, it's not. It is not written anywhere that homosexuality is a sin. It merely states that sodomy is a sin. Enormous difference.

    The blame on all of this 'God hates fags' crap is blamable only on your interpretation of it - or how it was translated from Hebrew. Apparently the most exact translation was 'do not lie with a man as with the layings of a woman,' which could be interpreted as 'do not sleep in women's pajamas.'

    Since I am too lazy to write everything out myself, allow me to quote another:

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    But, if we try to follow every crazy fairy tale writen a long long time ago, we'll never get anywhere. That's why we don't mix religious scriptures with bills and laws.

    Side note: I'm not flaming you, whispers. I'm just saying that these scriptures contradict each other in so many ways. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capernicus
    Gaydom/gayness is not in the genes. It's in their peronality, in their soul, and in their heart. And ust so you know, I am gay too. ^_^
    You said it, because there nothing wrong about being gay show some pride, i'm only saying this because i'm gay too.

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    Not to be mean or anything but isn't this a religion-based world? Even if u don't have one some ppl kinda look to one as reference or something right? Some gays were actually in the some religions that forbidden gayness to happen and broke off it when they decided that they were going to be gay...........so religion was going to come up in this debate sooner or later

    P.S. I am not being religous here or anything I am just thinking of how u wouldn't think that it wouldn't come up in this debate......that is all.




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    Quote Originally Posted by katrina_survivor
    But, if we try to follow every crazy fairy tale writen a long long time ago, we'll never get anywhere.
    Yeah, totally. I agree katrina_survivor. In the bible is is considered "unclean" to mix types of cloth. So if you are wearing 2 types of material right now, say 50% cotton and 50% polyester, you are technically sinning. But no one gives a crap about that stuff because it is said that when Jesus died on the cross, all the unclean things were no longer sins. People didn't have to sacrifice sheep to be forgiven and could eat previously "unclean" animals, just like Paul did (you know, the 1st Pope and essentially author of Christianity). And the bible says that homosexuality is "unclean,", so now it would be acceptable, right? Does that make sense?


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    I have very strong feelings about this topic, for not being homosexual. There are a few things I would like to point out, and I'll try hard to be polite.

    - The World is not Christian, I am not Christian ... why should the bible be used in this conversation at all? The teachings of one religion should be irrelevant when it comes to law making.

    - Homosxuals aren't hurting you by existing, how will that change if they get married? If you can think of something, tell me. I really want to know.

    - Mind your own business. If you didn't know what they were doing and not approve, you'd probably think they were great people. Pull your head our of your ignorant behind.

    - Homosxuality does occur in nature, wouldn't that make is natural? Birds, monkeys, etc. have all been seen performing homosexual acts. In nature. Natural.

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    eh... gay marrage is fine. i mean, it would be kinda dumb if it wasnt alloud because of variouse reasons that i dunno howta word o__O

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    Quote Originally Posted by katrina_survivor
    And for the government to pass such a law they would need a half-assed reason for stopping gay marriage. The only one they can think up is, "Homosexuality is unholy in the eyes of God," and that is most deffinately a religious reason.
    You see, that's the way it should work. Keep in mind that conservatives (who make up most of the christian right, hence the right) are in control of congress. One reason I heard attached to it was that it's bad for the kids, that kids with two fathers couldn't possibly be normal. If they can slap a reason like that on it to make it seem almost reasonable, it could be passed. An amendment, however, would be harder, as I believe they require 2/3 of both houses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capernicus
    Yeah, totally. I agree katrina_survivor. In the bible is is considered "unclean" to mix types of cloth. So if you are wearing 2 types of material right now, say 50% cotton and 50% polyester, you are technically sinning. But no one gives a crap about that stuff because it is said that when Jesus died on the cross, all the unclean things were no longer sins. People didn't have to sacrifice sheep to be forgiven and could eat previously "unclean" animals, just like Paul did (you know, the 1st Pope and essentially author of Christianity). And the bible says that homosexuality is "unclean,", so now it would be acceptable, right? Does that make sense?
    let me first just say that Peter was actually the first Pope.

    And another thing you have to remember about the bible is the Jesus stories that people rarely hear, and I've got a million of 'em. Like how about when he condemned a fig tree to eternal hellfire for not having any food for him? That's a personal favorite.

    Basically, I agree with you, the bible's ideas are rarely followed to anything but a very general degree today. But the bible isn't the only reason people are against gay marriage. Some people think that it shouldn't be done because it's never been done before. Others think (mistakenly) that it's against science. And some people are just plain Homophobic.
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    Peoples talks about "not ok with it" cos of their religion, as long as they dun bring it up too often then i think its fine, because if some pplz are christian and they give out opinions about themselves "not ok with gays", then it is normal cos we are suppose to give out opinions and thoughts or one self.


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    I will never fully comprehend why some people are still torn on an issue as trivial as this. I mean, it's not like any physical harm of any sort occurs from gay marriage.

    I am going to be upfront about this, anybody who says that homosexuals shouldn't get married because it goes against nature or that it goes against the will of God, or some stupid reason like that, is an irrational, intolerant bastard who should just die. (I must say though, the responses on this forum have been surprisingly even-minded. Bravo.) Anyways, to sum up, I have no problem with gay marraige, so why should anyone else? Hell, if more people were gay, we could very well put overpopulation under control!

    As a side-note, I really think religion should be left out of governments completely because, if history has taught us anything at all, it's that it only ever leads to trouble (just look at the Crusades, Witch-burnings, the Holocaust, Saddam Hussein's rule, I could go on...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by forgotten Duo
    - The World is not Christian, I am not Christian ... why should the bible be used in this conversation at all? The teachings of one religion should be irrelevant when it comes to law making.
    Because the majority of America [and the world, actually] is Christian. (and I think we all know the important political leaders of America are Christian)

    If so many people believe that homosexuality IS a bad thing, it'll generally be taken as the status quo. I mean, that only changed...what, 10 years ago? Although that particular arguement is for another day.
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    wow so many people agree! and i agree to what paranoid android said
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    why dos everyone have to have that little disclaimer? Just ecause you beieve that all people should be able to do something that harmless doesn't mean you're gay, just like believing that women should be payed the same amount as men doesn't necessarily mean you're a woman.


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    I'm not weird..I'm gifted MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~ has a reputation beyond repute MaGeaX~'s Avatar
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    I have it on because on a different forum they had something like this and i put down something like that fist post i made and someone that i was gay O.o
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    Mini_Twilight's Slave Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit has a reputation beyond repute Bean Bandit's Avatar
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    Well this has run its course, and has had its share of complaints also. So it is time to wave by bye to it

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