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Thread: And god said, "This isn't over yet, Darwin!!!"....

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    Default And god said, "This isn't over yet, Darwin!!!"....

    Ok, so I just read that the state of Kansas is trying, yet again, to ban theory of evolution, carbon dating evidence, and all forms of science that conflict with creationism. I thought we were done with this stupid debate back in the 60's, but noooo..... it would seem that religious fundamentalists gained majority control in the school boards and are pushing "ID" which is trying to say that living things today (primarily humans) are too "complex" to have evolved. Worse yet, it's begining to rub off on the neighboring states.

    I wanna know, what is everyone's opinion of this?

    Also, anyone in Kansas and in school right now can clairify exactly what is going on with this would really be helpful.


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    I am the religious type so I would have to say that God created us. No one else has to believe this.
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    God isn't real so i will have to side with science on this one.

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    I believe God created us, but I hate people who say that their opinion is right, whichever side they're fighting for. No one can know for a fact if there is a God or not, thus no one can know if He created the world or not. It's a matter of faith, really.

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    how about we both believe in both of them or just not care

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    Actually, I was gearing this thread more towards the school's decisions.

    What do you think the school's should be doing?


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    Leave creationism for the church.

    This sounds like a bunch of crap, I hate it when religious nuts go pushing their beliefes where they don't belong.



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    Now that just isn't fair to the believers in science. What I find interesting is that none of us were there when we were created. So how can we truely say that evolution is what got us here today, or that we were created by an almighty god. I, personally, would have to side with science, because that is what I believe is the closer explanation to the truth. It is a matter of faith. Until I see proof that a god created us, then science is the way for me.

    If the religious fundamentalists want the theory of a god being our creator, so be it, but don't take the science away from those who believe in it. Otherwise, it would be forcing someone to beleive in something that they don't think is true.

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    You know, I think that these threads/debates are crap. It's not like we're going to prove that one theory is right or convince the others that our opinion is right. These debates are utterly pointless. It's just a bunch of scientist A holes and religious nuts chasing each other in a circle.


    As far as the school thing goes, teach evolution. Christians shouldn't force their religion on growing youths in a country where there's freedom of religion. Evolution won't corrupt their minds. It is completely up to them to decide if they want to believe in God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakakame
    Leave creationism for the church.

    This sounds like a bunch of crap, I hate it when religious nuts go pushing their beliefes where they don't belong.
    100% Agreed.

    Well, #1, they need to understand that NOT EVERYONE shares the same Religion and belief system, and that everyone has a right and should have an opportunity to learn about evolution. And if they decide they don't want to learn about evolution, there should be an alternative thing they can take.

    I believe in the theory of evolution. I believe in it more now, because of those so-called 'religious nuts' forcing their views on everything. And how their Religion is sort of holding them back from learning. I don't know, that just upsets me.

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    Lets go a little easy on the name calling. The less name calling everyone does, the less chance it offends and makes others reply back with there names calling. Next thing we know this will turn into a flame thread with religion vs science and it will force us to have to close it.

    So let us go easy on the names, and have a real discussion instead.

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    Can you spell "Redneck"? R-E-D-N-E-C-K.

    Anyway, inteligent design is bullcrap. If they insist on teaching it, teach it in a world religions class, not in a science class. The goal of science is to find the truth and support it with cold, hard facts. The goal of religion was origionally to explain what they didn't know with farie-tales. 2 completely seperate subjects that should not ever overlap.
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    if we were evolve from apes, why in million years the apes haven't evolve to humans yet? i mean now we got lots of apes right? why haven't they evolve yet?, scientist try to find answer for anything when they question me i answer them with another question which thet can't answer so, its realy hard to say whats the answer is, well it depends on your rilligion and beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katrina_survivor
    Can you spell "Redneck"? R-E-D-N-E-C-K.
    And what does that have to do with anything in this topic.

    I personally think it is wrong for the schools to push one, with out allowing the other as a option. I honestly do not know how and where we come from. I can understand both theories. Which one is correct I doubt I will ever know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkwynd
    Actually, I was gearing this thread more towards the school's decisions.

    What do you think the school's should be doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by bakakame
    Leave creationism for the church.

    This sounds like a bunch of crap, I hate it when religious nuts go pushing their beliefes where they don't belong.
    Ok getting back on topic
    Well, can I straighten everyone out, cause thats what Im good at.
    ok..lets start,

    This all began wit
    "the septaration between church and state" some people use this to keep religion....,or lets just say God, out of decisions concerning laws, and school stuff (like saying the Pledge Of Allegiance)

    The septaration between church and state was set up in the beginning only to prevent people from paying tax to a church set up by the government.
    Theres no real reason why you can't say God in school that they can prove.
    No reason that would make us better off.


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    As a science (Biology, to be specific), I find it disgraceful >< I love studying evolution. I believe in many parts of it. HOWEVER, I do NOT criticize creationist points of view, nor any other. As Bean said above, I don't know for sure either. Nobody does. Heck, I still haven't worked out what, if any, religious beliefs I have.

    So my thoughts on that are that, again, it's disgraceful to the rest of the nation. To DENY science? New technology? I thought we moved past the Stone Age. Heck, that was more advanced. At least many of its people WANTED to learn. Which is what I believe...that nobody should have to decide on their beliefs, their career, their individual ideas without all the facts. Discount evolution if you must. Don't believe in it. But LEARN what it is first.

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    Sometimes there can be a problem with learning the part where a higher being, shall we say, created us. In some tests that must be taken, you have to know about the evolution theory. If you are religious, and you don't learn the evolution theory, then you are pretty much screwed.

    Someone shouldn't shove their beliefs onto another. That just violates our freedom on what to think of what is right. I agree with my friend, Crimson Blood. Sure, share your thoughts on it. That's okay. But when it comes down to forcing your faith onto another, then that just isn't right. The theory of a higher being creating us should be an alternative class/course in school. Don't just bann science just because one thinks it isn't right. We use science to find out the truth. If that gets wiped out, then we may never know other facts in the future. Science always changes while religion doesn't really change.

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    Wow, its not like the first ammendment exists or anything. -_- Oiy, what is wrong with people? Its (almost) a free country with (but not quite) the right to speak what you will. Kansas needs to grow up, and shut up.

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    Amen to that Lisa. <3
    Concurred.

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    Personally, I believe that denying people any kind of knowledge goes against the proliferation of mankind. I'm not sure if I can place stock in either Creationism or the theory of evolution, but turning a cheek to either of those views can be quite ignorant. I still think we don't fully understand the process of "how Humanity came to be", but for an authoritative body to write off a belief because it conflicts with another is ludicrous.

    There are both public schools and religious schools for this kind of conflict. Has Kansas thought about this at all? Or does education cost too much these days?

    Seriously. There's two lines that blur together here. And it all starts at the womb. How you want to go from there is your business, and shouldn't be governed by anyone else.

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    Well I think that both theories are correct...Maybe God created us to evolve, but all though god made us by making us evolve so therefore it is basically both theorys...
    well, I think the schools should have science and think about religion later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiako
    As a science (Biology, to be specific), I find it disgraceful >< I love studying evolution. I believe in many parts of it. HOWEVER, I do NOT criticize creationist points of view, nor any other. As Bean said above, I don't know for sure either. Nobody does. Heck, I still haven't worked out what, if any, religious beliefs I have.

    So my thoughts on that are that, again, it's disgraceful to the rest of the nation. To DENY science? New technology? I thought we moved past the Stone Age. Heck, that was more advanced. At least many of its people WANTED to learn. Which is what I believe...that nobody should have to decide on their beliefs, their career, their individual ideas without all the facts. Discount evolution if you must. Don't believe in it. But LEARN what it is first.
    reiako, i don't deny nor aprove the science, but there is something scientist still havent' found the answer for the simplest thing yet and they go for the big ones, its good to be logical but if we are to be too logicol(like scientist) we can't live properly can we? i mean bieng too logic we won't take risks and stuff in our lives right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keitaru-san
    if we were evolve from apes, why in million years the apes haven't evolve to humans yet? i mean now we got lots of apes right? why haven't they evolve yet?, scientist try to find answer for anything when they question me i answer them with another question which thet can't answer so, its realy hard to say whats the answer is, well it depends on your rilligion and beliefs.
    Actually, it's not that we have evolved from apes (a common misconception) the theory is that we have a common ancestor with apes. Sort of like apes and humans would be considered cousins.

    If we evolved from apes there wouldn't be any apes around today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darklord
    Well I think that both theories are correct...Maybe God created us to evolve, but all though god made us by making us evolve so therefore it is basically both theorys...
    well, I think the schools should have science and think about religion later.
    Maybe...

    I don't know what to believe, humans nowadays always thinks they are right if they find a good theory.
    I live in Switzerland!

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