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    Default Fate vs. Free Will

    OK, the question is a simple one (at least in appearence):

    Do you believe in fate (as in, we are predestined to do this or that) or free will? And most of all give reasons for your choice.

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    thats a tough one, its our free will decides what to do and fate has little role in our dicisions.
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    I believe in a combonation of the two. We are put here for a purpose (not destiny), but we make the decision whether or not to fulfill that purpose. Get it?


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    I suppose i believe a little in both, fate, because somethings in life i think are meant to happen and somethings happen purely due to the person doing them, i know it may not make sense to you but it makes perfect sense to me.
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    I believe in fate. It's really nothing more than simple cause and effect. If something happens to us, we will react in a certain way. The stimulus triggers certain activities in our brains, and our brains then react from that. If this happens, then this will happen to this and this to this and so on until our reaction is complete, it all follows logical patterns of basic if-then.



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    I guess i am not sure really, i mean i think everyone has a purpose to do something important and i think we have choices.We have are won choices, but they have allready been seen before we did them.I guess i am talking about god.
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    I see where you're goin with that Wing Man..... God supposedly gave us Free Will, but is supposed to know what we'll do or say even before we do it or say it ...... so in a way I guess the safest answer is to say that both exist, for I dont think one could exist without the other.

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    Everyhting is a choice fate isn't real it's just something mush heads like to cling to.
    Last edited by Darth Tyranus; 10-07-2005 at 01:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Tyranus
    Everyhting is a choice fate isn't real it's just somehting mush heads like to cling to.
    Agreed, but I don't like the way it's put.

    Fate isn't real. Fate is for the weak who don't want to take the responsibility of a life. We're here, and we live. We do things how we want to do them, when we want to do it, and for whatever reason we want. Everything that happens to us is because we did something that caused it to happen.

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    I believe genetics has a role in every decision we make, but so does conditioning, so I suppose, if you somehow could take all of those into consideration , you could determine how someone would respond to a certain scenario. So in a sense, I believe in neither. I think we're here to reproduce, but it isn't something deeper than that fate tends to have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by g0d_of_death
    Agreed, but I don't like the way it's put.

    Fate isn't real. Fate is for the weak who don't want to take the responsibility of a life. We're here, and we live. We do things how we want to do them, when we want to do it, and for whatever reason we want. Everything that happens to us is because we did something that caused it to happen.

    (it's too early for me to say anything deep and meaningful)
    Fate and free will are not related.
    Fate is Weather you live or die.
    Free will is the feeling that we deside what
    happens until that fate reveles itself.

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    I belive in both. Fate is made by your choice your choice is your free will. Your fate is your's to shape.

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    I believe in more a free loose type of fate.

    Imagine your life a long corridor of halls, with thousands of doors to walk through, each door is a possibility at this point that you can do with your life. Once you do somethin,g you proceed through that door, and that action lands you yet into another room of doors, and so forth. As your life goes on, the doors will get less and less, until eventually there'll be only one left....death.

    So it's a cause-effect basis. Every person has millions of possibilites, but I see the older you get, it's just too late to change... The space between the different paths just get furth and further away, till you can't jump over anymore.

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    Fate is a key role in life but nobody pays attention to their Fate they mainly want Freewill but what some don't realize is Fate and Freewill go hand in hand.
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    fate. you meet someone for a reason. like as a child you may be best friends but as you get older you start to fall in love.

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    Fate and free will are not related.
    Fate is Weather you live or die.
    Free will is the feeling that we deside what
    happens until that fate reveles itself.
    Are you ever right? Fate is not just if you live or die, it's the idea that all your actions were predetermined. And that last sentance isn't even coherent in the least so I'm just going to ignore it.
    Fate is a key role in life but nobody pays attention to their Fate they mainly want Freewill but what some don't realize is Fate and Freewill go hand in hand.
    NO IT ISN'T, if you think fate is real than you have no freewill, how can you chose if the choice was never yours to make? That's the idea fate works on so no you can't mix the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Tyranus
    NO IT ISN'T, if you think fate is real than you have no freewill, how can you chose if the choice was never yours to make? That's the idea fate works on so no you can't mix the two.
    I must agree...if you believe in fate, it means your answer to a question or solution to a problem was already predetemined, so you say you make the choice by free-will, but in fact, your choice would have already been determined before you made it....

    I believe in free-will...i do not believe in any higher being/force which controls or watches over us....things happen in combination with the chance of nature(as in non-living things), and the choices of living beings(in this case, humans)...in essence, cause and effect..for every action there is a reaction, although there are possibilities as to what a reaction may be, the actual reaction is left to chance unless influenced by another action....

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    Both. I believe there are some things we are slated to do. Weather or not we want to. These things are fated to happen.

    The things that are fated to us, are usually large and have a huge impact on our lives.
    An example would be the one who is our soul mate: With whom we are to love for ever and be united with under the vows of marrage.

    Most people who have experienced something huge or life changing in their time, usually explain the occurance as "odd how things just came together to allow it to take place."

    In this example I believe that Fate exists and we are fated to do specific things before our time is done.

    However; Fate in my opinion is limited. Fate can not decide if you are going to say, brush your teeth today. Or what color tie you plan to wear to work. For these things we clearly have choice over. Free will I believe is the governing force behind our daily mundane decissions.

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    I believe in fate, sort of. Not in the way most people think of it. We are all predestined to die and have our bodies nourish other living things, but that's in a biological sense rather than a religious sense(higher power, purpose, etc.). Other than that, I don't believe either option. I don't believe in a greater purpose, but I don't believe that we are in complete control of what happens to us. Everyone in the world is connected in some way, so the actions of others combined with our own shape our experiences, and those experiences shape our personalities............ twah. Think about that before you go to bed^_^
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    Free will seems to imply a soul of some sort or something that isn't connected to cause-effect.

    Fate/pre-destination is that you will do something at a certain time. This is the correct one in my book.

    Think about it, everything in this existance is influenced by what's around it. Everything moves in predictable from those interactions. How are human's any different? Everything that we do is in reaction to something.

    In theory, it would be possible to determine exactly what will happen to someone, because it can all be measured. Every last aspect of how we think and act is the result of electrical flow and chemical combinations in our brains. Certain stimuli will produce certain flow and the person is going to react in a predictable way.

    I really don't wanna sit here and try to remember my entire psycology paper, but that's basically the general idea. If something happens to you, it can be predicted that this is how you will act. We are predestined to everything that we do, from scratching our nose to... well, writing this post right here.



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    fate and free-will are in my opinion the same thing

    even if you believe you made the choice yourself it was ment to happen for example

    a man takes a time machine to go see his dead grandpa and the author of the book "the time machine" to see if he can kill him. when he gets there no matter what he does something will go wrong to stop him from killing his grandpa because the fact is the grandpa had survived if he didnt there man wouldnt be alive. if he tried shooting him the gun might get jammed or he might miss. after he explains everything about the time machine and who he is they let him go back to the future. He might even be the inspiration for the book

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    I believe in Fate, humans cannot control the fate, just like me and my 2 exes, we were good but fate told us that we cannot stand together, its realli true...the day we broke up was the day the necklace broke by itself, its scary sometime ><;


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    Quote Originally Posted by sango91
    fate and free-will are in my opinion the same thing
    I'm afraid I don't understand what you say: how can fate and free will be the same thing? They're different by definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by sango91
    even if you believe you made the choice yourself it was ment to happen
    That's a scary thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by sango91
    a man takes a time machine to go see his dead grandpa and the author of the book "the time machine" to see if he can kill him. when he gets there no matter what he does something will go wrong to stop him from killing his grandpa because the fact is the grandpa had survived if he didnt there man wouldnt be alive. if he tried shooting him the gun might get jammed or he might miss. after he explains everything about the time machine and who he is they let him go back to the future. He might even be the inspiration for the book
    Things in the past can be changed, however with great difficulty. What I'm trying to say is that the man could have killed his grandfather, but this would have made his existence impossible. I cannot help but quote A. Henning: "You cannot go back in time and change history because you didn't."

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