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    Default Heero(EW) Vs Kira(GSD)

    Please do not delete this...as I'm encouraging a formal less spam type of debate...

    While It may be another stupid question... It just so happens that I need Solid opinions on this... NO SPAMMING.... I removed the poll because of the population of irrational and illogical Wingers.

    The MS They'll be pilotting are these

    For Heero since it's EW... Will be Wing Zero Custom.
    Fixed armaments: 2 x machinecannon, fire-linked, mounted in torso; 2 x beam saber, stored in recharge racks in wing binders, hand-carried in use
    Optional hand armaments: twin buster rifle, can be separated into two separate single-barrel buster rifles


    For Kira, It would be the ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom
    Armament: MMI-GAU27D 31mm CIWS x 2, MGX-2235 "Callidus" multi-phase beam cannon x 1, M02G "Super Lacerta" beam saber x 2, MMI-M15E "Xiphias 3" rail cannon x 2, MX2200 beam shield generator x 2, MA-M21KF high-energy beam rifle x 2, EQFU-3X Super DRAGOON (Disconnected Rapid Armament Group Overlook Operation Network) mobile weapon wings (MA80V beam assault cannon x 1)


    No pointless Posts OKAY...


    eg. Heero is the coolest...,Kira who? ,and the likes



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    No matter what Kira has (seed, etc.) None of them are going to be a match for the Zero system\Heero's piloting skills as well as Wing Zero's speed and power. So Heero wins this one.

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    Heero is by far the unmatched pilot in the series. His skill level is probably way way past Kira although he is very strong. Heero is the senior pilot in this confrontation and has more skill, so Heero beats Kira, not exactly easily but im sure he would pull it off.


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    What if I tell all of you that before you're done with Gundam SEED Destiny... You'll no longer doubt Kira...

    Speed, Power?? What the heck??

    Strike Freedom Clearly wins against Wing Zero... you are too stupid. You haven't even watched any episode of SEED Destiny!

    You're all blinded by Heero's PLOTSHIELD... OVER ALL THE BATTLES HE WON WERE WON VIA PLOTSHIELD!

    Strike Freedom=Nu-Gundam In Case you're nutheads. No matter what Heero does, He cant beat a Newtype... In case you forgot, Kira is a NEWTYPE/COODINATOR w/SEED in SEED Destiny.

    Face It! Kira is Destined to become Amuro Ray's Successor (Face it UC Elitists), Heero could not touch Amuro Ray because He's a newtype.
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    Strike Freedom Clearly wins against Wing Zero... you are too stupid. You haven't even watched any episode of SEED Destiny!
    No need to call people stupid especially since you have never seen SFreedom in action either.

    Besides, since the Zero system can pretty much predict what Kira will do, there's not a lot he can do.

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    Well that's because can also predict what Heero will do, He's a Newtype w/SEED in SEED Destiny



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    He's a Newtype w/SEED
    Where the hell did you get that?

    Even IF he was a newtype, considering what it really means in the CE universe, Kira will still not be able to predict\beat Heero.

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    Do you mean to say that Heero>>>>Amuro???

    Oh and another thing, About Kira being a newtype...

    Look for the thread disscussing it in animesuki.

    About the Zero System, Heero had the reaction time fit to pilot it. But if you have Kira in SEED Mode which has the faster reaction time, Heero will go Quatre and cannot control it because, as the reaction time of the enemy becomes faster, the harder it is to maintain control over the ZERO System. Evidently, Kira in Freedom is a very Fast Suit. And it is agile too, for exaple, as fast as the WingZero is, It CANNOT Change Directions as Quickly as the Freedom can. The Freedom can go fast and maintain velocity while turning, twirling upside down and it can fire beam weapons while doing so. So even if Heero can Predict what Kira will do. He can't cope up with the raw specs of Freedom. If Kira uses the Strike-Freedom, Kira's job will be easier, In all aspects, Strike Freedom has almost trippled The original Freedom's Output. Refer to WingZero Fighting Epyon.

    Letís compare the suits in detail then:

    Both are quite similar in overall design. The main difference is probably minimal, but one interesting factor is that Wing 0 has a weighty of 8.0 metric tons. Strike-Freedom has a weight of 80.09 metric tons. More then 10 times the weight. What does this really mean? Well, the sits are from different universes and thus uses different physics for suit features. But My conclusion is that Wing 0 is constructed of gundanium alloy, a presumably light material, yet really strong. Strike-F probably has heavy armour by default, and on top of it the Phase Shift feature. Strike-F probably is the best one here, considering how damaged the Wing 0 was at the end of Endless Waltz. It might also be of interest to know that Strike-F is two meters taller then Wing 0.

    Weapons then. Right from the start Strike-F takes the upper hand. More variations, and Wing 0 only has two beamsabres and chest machine guns by default. Then it has the specially designed Buster Rifles as optional armaments though, but it is designed for destroying colonies and wont be fast enough to hit a fast moving Gundam like Strike-F as it has to be locked-on and hold still for safe use while using. Strike-F has the two shoulder canons, two dockable beam rifles, two hip mounted rail cannons, one multi-phase beam cannon in its chest and of course the beamsabres that can be combined for double edge sword mode. Wing 0 will have to get up close and personal to have a chance, and even then, Strike-F has a bean shield, while Wing 0 has no defensive attachment at all. Clear winner in weapons = Strike Freedom.

    Other things to take into consideration are the Wing 0 Zero System, Strike Freedoms super accurate targeting computer and factors that are hard to measure against each other like speed, output and other things.

    Anyway, my clear winner in a duel between Heero and Kira in their standard suits are in favour of Kira as Heeros suit isnít as strong as Kiras in direct combat. Using other suits, or similar suits, it gets much closer to say though, but my money is still on Kira as his SEED-Mode is probably really useful in a direct one on one duel. But the terms between the Cosmic Era and the After Colony timeline is too big to say for sure.

    Oh and you completely forgot the Strike Freedom's Beam Shields.

    Even in Freedom, Wingzero Does not have a chance.

    A Freedom vs WingZero Thread
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    Okay yeah so Kira's mobile suit beats out Heero's by it's new stuff but I believe that Heero could take him anyhow. Heero has a stronger personality than Kira and will try any way to win in that kind of fight. Heero does have the reaction time to be able to combat Kira and if he uses that awesome rifle thingy he has and manages to hit Kira it's practically over! Kira has his Gundam's speed and such for him but Heero has actually more skill. Put Heero in Kira's Gundam and there's no stopping him.


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    Didn't you read the thread: IT CLEARLY SAYS THE KIRA FROM GUNDAM SEED DESTINY!
    Don't take me wrong and at The Same time, THE HEERO FROM EW WHO NO LONGER RELIES ON THE ZERO SYSTEM.

    THE TWIN BUSTER RIFLE CANNOT BE USED AGAINST A FUNNEL SYSTEM.ONCE HEERO CHARGES UP THE RIFLE, THE FUNNELS WILL TAKE IT OUT, REMEMBER THAT KIRA AIMS AT THE WEAPONS FIRST. YOU CAN'T CHARGE UP AND DODGE AT THE SAME TIME.
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    Heero>>>>Amuro???
    No.

    Newtypes in the different Gundam universes have different abilities. In this case, CE newtypes doesn't have a negative reaction time, which means they can't predict stuff. The only thing they can do is sense everything around them better than most people would as well as do multiple tasks at the same time better.

    Heero will go Quatre and cannot control it because, as the reaction time of the enemy becomes faster, the harder it is to maintain control over the ZERO System.
    That has nothing to do with the Zero system. Where are you getting this kind of info? The enemy's skill has nothing to do with whether the Zero Pilot will go berserk or not. It has to do with their frame of mind. They only go berserk because they're not clear on what they actually want.

    Strike Freedom has almost trippled The original Freedom's Output
    Where exactly are you getting this info from?

    Strike-F probably is the best one here, considering how damaged the Wing 0 was at the end of Endless Waltz. It might also be of interest to know that Strike-F is two meters taller then Wing 0.
    This is just pointless if your going to compare a damaged WZC and a SFreedom.

    Also, WZ is at advantage with its smaller height since it will be harder to hit a smaller target.

    but it is designed for destroying colonies and wont be fast enough to hit a fast moving Gundam
    What?! The twin buster rifle has variable outputs. There wouldn't be any point in carrying it all the time if it was just made to destroy colonies especailly since they are fighting FOR the colonies, not against them.

    Clear winner in weapons = Strike Freedom.
    ... Since the SFreedom is a slower(due to its weight) and a bigger target, I don't see how it can easily win against WZ who is faster and could easily do hit and run slashes without getting countered.

    But the terms between the Cosmic Era and the After Colony timeline is too big to say for sure.
    Then what was the point of all this?

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    i think kira will get the win on this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiryuu
    No.
    Newtypes in the different Gundam universes have different abilities. In this case, CE newtypes doesn't have a negative reaction time, which means they can't predict stuff. The only thing they can do is sense everything around them better than most people would as well as do multiple tasks at the same time better.
    Mwu and Rau are weak newtypes. But Kira seems to be a stronger one. Why do you think that he was able to sense Shinn on ep 34? Why would he say "somebody is crying" in ep. 12. And It does not concern the the Zero System because the EW Heero does not use it.

    ... Since the SFreedom is a slower(due to its weight) and a bigger target, I don't see how it can easily win against WZ who is faster and could easily do hit and run slashes without getting countered.
    then you are blatantly saying that WingZero>>>>>>>>>>Nu-Gundam because Nu-gundam is heavier
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    Mwu and Rau are weak newtypes. But Kira seems to be a stronger one.
    Huh?
    Why do you think that he was able to sense Shinn on ep 34? Why would he say "somebody is crying" in ep. 12.
    What does that have to with predicting enemy's movements?
    And It does not concern the the Zero System because the EW Heero does not use it.
    Wha? Just because they don't show him using it doesn't mean he's not. Zero is like the Bio Computer in Zeta. It turns on automatically when the MS is on, but you don't actually see weird effects to show its working. Its just there.
    then you are blatantly saying that WingZero>>>>>>>>>>Nu-Gundam because Nu-gundam is heavier
    What does Nu have to do with any of this? Stop trying to get this off-topic.

    I just said WZ has a better advantage and nothing about it being better.
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    Okay, Why did he lose to Wu-fei, He has the Zero System? It opens up the door that someone can beat a Zero-System Equipped Gundam.

    Explain this
    Heero(EW) : "Zero never had the answer"

    Concentration??
    explain this:
    Heero(EW):"I don't want that girl and puppy to die."


    Weight advatage??
    does that mean you're saying that Nu Gundam would have its *** handed down by WingZero because it's heavier?

    Speed??
    Evidently, Strike Freedom is a very Fast Suit. And it is agile too, for exaple, as fast as the WingZero is, It CANNOT Change Directions as Quickly as the Freedom can. The Freedom can go fast and maintain velocity while turning, twirling upside down and it can fire beam weapons while doing so.

    Wing Zero looks like a great suit but it isn't really. Freedom is much faster, durable (energy wize), more weapon (with more ammo) and more agile. If Wing Zero had fallen in CE timeline it's survival would be limited, since unlike the AU timeline CE timeline has more advanced and more powerful mass production suits.

    Sure VirgoII/Virgo are great but When you put only Virgo to to the like that CE timeline has Gouf, Dom, Zaku Phantoms, Murasame and Windams while the next vest suit in AU is Taurus then Leos (since Aries can't be used in space), you can see the competition is much more intense in CE timeline.

    Wing Zero's only chance against Freedom would be that if i could use it's buster rifle from a far distance, cuz at close range Freedom is better at ever since.

    You seem to have forgotten.. What was Kira during SEED? What is Kira in Destiny? Kira is evolving, unless you have noticed, in SEED... Kira never had a newtype reaction except on EP 50, where Rau had a Newtype flash with Kira. In Destiny, Kira is getting stronger. Why would Lacus entrust him with Strike Freedom? Knowing that Strike Freedom Includes DRAGOONS? You seem to have forgotten that Strike-Freedom has been dubbed by many UC Fans as the CE HiNu-Gundam.
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    The Freedom can go fast and maintain velocity while turning, twirling upside down
    Heero fights efficiently, and doesn't go around trying to scare the enemies off with his skills like Kira does.

    does that mean you're saying that Nu Gundam would have its *** handed down by WingZero because it's heavier?
    No and yes.
    No - I never said anything like that, nor meant anything like that.
    Yes - Since its just WZ and Nu and the pilot isn't a variable. WZ will most likely win against Nu (who is slower).

    Okay, Why did he lose to Wu-fei, He has the Zero System? It opens up the door that someone can beat a Zero-System Equipped Gundam.

    Explain this
    Heero(EW) : "Zero never had the answer"

    Concentration??
    explain this:
    Heero(EW):"I don't want that girl and puppy to die."
    The puppy and the little girl dying has nothing to do with combat, that's why Zero didn't have an answer.

    Just because its equipped with Zero doesn't mean he is always going to win. Zero only tells you the best course of action in combat. It doesn't force the pilot to do it.

    Also, to begin with, he had no intention of fighting Wufei at all. In actual battle, Wufei can barely beat Treize. Treize is pretty much equal(or a little bit less) to both Zechs and Heero.

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    So what you are saying is that Heero can possibly be beaten...
    Even in Super Robot Wars, Kira has Higher Stats in SEED compared to Amuro. So that is enough evidence to compare how much potential Kira has, The Kira in that game was from SEED and not SEED Destiny... So face it, Heero had his time. It's the Yamato Era now. Those may not be official, but SRW is a meterstick to compare pilots from different Universes



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    So what you are saying is that Heero can possibly be beaten...
    Even in Super Robot Wars, Kira has Higher Stats in SEED compared to Amuro. So that is enough evidence to compare how much potential Kira has, The Kira in that game was from SEED and not SEED Destiny... So face it, Heero had his time. It's the Yamato Era now. Those may not be official, but SRW is a meterstick to compare pilots from different Universes


    take this for example... Kira is avoiding how many shots, 43! You seem to have forgotten that Kira has Extreme spatial Awareness.



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    So what you are saying is that Heero can possibly be beaten...
    Obviously. No one is invincible.

    From what I can tell, you're just trying to find a reason to just keep hating Gundam Wing no matter what.

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    No, Quite frankly... I like gundam w, but it's somewhat insane that heero would win against someone like kira, just because i'm saying that kira would win. by your logic. you must love Gundam W so much that you would not believe that kira would be able to pull it off. It's because it's a proven fact. Kira has too many abilities, Newtypeness, SEED, spatial awareness, etc. most people here don't understand. Heck Garrod would be able to snipe Heero with the Twin Sattelite cannon. Heero CAN BE BEATEN BY SOMEONE GREATER THAN HE IS. IT TOOK SEVEN YEARS FOR HEERO TO MASTER PILOTTING. KIRA DID IT IN SECONDS...THE POTENTIAL OF KIRA IS TOO MUCH FOR A MACHINE(ZERO SYSTEM) TO COMPREHEND. MACHINES HAVE BREAKING POINTS, HOW MUCH HAS YOUR COMPUTER OVERHEAT LATELY?



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    im going to say heero for obvious reasons. herro is a strong character and always stays calm under pressure. kira is an emotional wreck, everything bothers him and effects the ways he thinks. also heero skills with the gundam is by far better than kiras. heero all the way


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    Hmm.. Let me remind you again. Kira is NOT an Emotional Wreck in GSD. We're talking about a different kira here.



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    by your logic. you must love Gundam W so much that you would not believe that kira would be able to pull it off.
    Makes sense, but I'm not the one with a sig that says: "Wingers are like Shinn Asuka and they all deserve a punch, right Athrun..." and "Can Heero do This???"
    (And no. I do not like GW so much. I like Victory and ZZ more.)
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    becuase Wingers are Extremists, Thats what makes them so annoying. Their inability to judge, they all think that "Heero is the best", "Amuro Ray, Who's that?". I'm a Gundam W fan, but I know a lot of series. and I'm not all kira you know. Yes Kira, is beatable, Just ask Athrun(GS) and Shinn(GSD). It's not like Kira's invincible. Heck, If I included Amuro here, most likely, I would have a hard choice between him and Kira.
    Logic:
    Amuro>Heero
    Amuro>/=Kira
    Kira>Heero



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    Kira couldn't pull it off.

    moble suit wise he may have the better machine, but wing zero has a better OS and Heero is just a better pilot. Remember that Heero was trained well above human standards, probably close to if not at the level of coordinators. Add that to the computing power of the Zero system and his specific combat and tactics training, Kira would fail.

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