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    Default [SGI News] "Oh, so you smoke? You're fired"

    I came along this interesting news story from Michigan.
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    If you're too lazy to, here's a little summary.

    A company called Weyco has put forward a No Smoking policy, which is failry common. The only catch is, that it is no smoking at work OR at home. And recently they have given nicotine tests to employees and if it proves positive, you get the sack.

    Weyco claim that this is to cut down health costs that smokers inhibit.


    So basically, I ask the question what next? Oh so you eat at Mc Donalds? You're fired. You ski? Bye bye.

    Aaaah Corporations, can't live with e'm, can't kill e'm.

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    oik... thats weird i have no clue what u said ><

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    Hm, yes.

    Though this Weyco is indeed a medical company, it would seem.

    WEYCO, INC was founded in 1979, and is located in Okemos, Michigan. In 1983, we became a licensed Michigan Third Party Administrator (TPA) to administer self-funded Medical, Dental, Vision, and Short-term Disability Plans.

    WEYCO, INC is a service company specializing in Employee Benefit Plans and Benefit Management.

    WEYCO, INC is also an agent for Insured Plans such as Life, Long Term Disability, Medical, Dental, Vision, and Flexible Spending Accounts.

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    Kinda makes it a bit more obvious, no?


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    It does, but to fire people for smoking? I still think that is utterly outrageous. It's almost like firing somebody due to sexual preference (note the almost).

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    Hey no cracks on that, SGI. Not everyone is born...nvm.
    Well, if the company insists on being discriminatory it should be equally so...and go after those who are grossly overweight as their health problems are just as bad as a smoker's.
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    Let us not forget hardcore drug addicts, people with disabilities, drinkers, people who play violent video games etc...

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    Of course not. Who can forget all of that? Alcohol does a lot of damage as well, not only to the drinker but to those who may have the misfortune to cross their path.
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    I don't mind.

    I'd say smoke the smokers.

    They're already going on about killing themselves. Why not give them a hand?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrra
    Hey no cracks on that, SGI. Not everyone is born...nvm.
    o.O That was his point, though...that it would be outrageous to do so. Almost as, of course...because a person CAN choose whether to smoke or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGI
    Let us not forget hardcore drug addicts, people with disabilities, drinkers, people who play violent video games etc...
    It's surprising to see how many people believe that Alcohol is a hardrug. Drugs are Illegal, but a lot of persons who shout that drink like mad.
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    Gah... thats frick'n shady!
    i can understand no smokeing at the work place but to straight out fire you for smokeing.... dang....

    SGI: dude... you forgot liveing!! i mean heck, if we wernt alive heathcare costs would be like nothing man!
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    meh I say go Michigan. I don't see issues with it, but I do know that smoking can cause a variety of health defects that will last well into years, even after you quit. Afterall it is a healthcare company. I think everyone should stop smoking.... but thats personal. Yeay for them :P !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokizaru
    Hm, yes.

    Though this Weyco is indeed a medical company, it would seem.

    WEYCO, INC was founded in 1979, and is located in Okemos, Michigan. In 1983, we became a licensed Michigan Third Party Administrator (TPA) to administer self-funded Medical, Dental, Vision, and Short-term Disability Plans.

    WEYCO, INC is a service company specializing in Employee Benefit Plans and Benefit Management.

    WEYCO, INC is also an agent for Insured Plans such as Life, Long Term Disability, Medical, Dental, Vision, and Flexible Spending Accounts.

    --

    Kinda makes it a bit more obvious, no?
    There you go. I think it makes sence that a company that's so involved in health, should care about their employees. Smoking is pointless anyways, so whenever I get the chance to have a stand I'll always oppose it....meh

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    I understand if the company doesn't want their employees smoking at work, but at home? Whoever said the company has control over your actions? Your life? I don't agree with smoking, it's a sure fire way to become ill, but it's your choice. Nobody should be taking away your right to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuna Kadiri
    I understand if the company doesn't want their employees smoking at work, but at home? Whoever said the company has control over your actions? Your life? I don't agree with smoking, it's a sure fire way to become ill, but it's your choice. Nobody should be taking away your right to do so.
    I cant agree more, people should be able to retain their freedom...This is starting to remind me of the book 'Fahrenheit 451'....

    Note - I did not make this....i found it on the internet.....props to whoever did make it though....

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    I know the state of Maine has banned all smoking in public places, like restraunts and bars and etc... Massachusettes also banned smoking I believe from public places. With all my travelling that I do, it is odd, that washington, DC still allows it, or maybe they dont, and everyone I see doing it, just ignore the laws...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean Bandit
    I know the state of Maine has banned all smoking in public places, like restraunts and bars and etc... Massachusettes also banned smoking I believe from public places. With all my travelling that I do, it is odd, that washington, DC still allows it, or maybe they dont, and everyone I see doing it, just ignore the laws...
    That's just insane. Don't people have freedom these days? My, my........... The laws they make now.

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    my prediction for the next 20 years is that the US will end up like Russia and the government will try to redistribute the wealth which will cause more of a rift between the rich and the poor

    Note - I did not make this....i found it on the internet.....props to whoever did make it though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isunamaru
    my prediction for the next 20 years is that the US will end up like Russia and the government will try to redistribute the wealth which will cause more of a rift between the rich and the poor
    I agree. The way things are now, we're headed down that path.

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    Whoever said the company has control over your actions? Your life?
    privatized (sp?) companies can set whatever rules and consequences they feel nessecary, thats where reading the fine lines pay off. We talked about this in my Freedom In America class...basically, yes it is a low blow, but I think I remember being a part in the employee contract that stated about 'hazardous actions' that can allow the company to fire them. Also a similar action can get you fired from gov't positions, a.k.a alcohol. If you work in the gov't with secret clearance and drink, they consider you a hazard because when you drink they assume secret information may be talked about and compromised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himura Enishi
    privatized (sp?) companies can set whatever rules and consequences they feel nessecary, thats where reading the fine lines pay off. We talked about this in my Freedom In America class...basically, yes it is a low blow, but I think I remember being a part in the employee contract that stated about 'hazardous actions' that can allow the company to fire them. Also a similar action can get you fired from gov't positions, a.k.a alcohol. If you work in the gov't with secret clearance and drink, they consider you a hazard because when you drink they assume secret information may be talked about and compromised.
    That makes sense. Doing that for the good of the company and all, but still......

    Hmm, I suppose that saying "Not everything in life is fair" applies here. It applies to alot of things as a matter of fact.

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    O.o Next thing ya know, they'll be firing athletic people because they may get hurt playing football, and coach potatos cause they don't stop watching the tube!
    This is all just all a ball of pooh. Is that any different from refusing to hire a certain race? BlAH...
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    Well, yes. One is a choice and the other isn't, no?

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    Is that any different from refusing to hire a certain race?
    Yes, different races arent choosing to shorten their life spans and possibly cost the company money via health plans....With the level of competition in the American job market, picking and choosing people who will do the most and cost the least to companies is a very viable option

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