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    Default The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    First: The peaceful-imperialist goal of Islam


    And now for something that the Swedish media doesn't want to talk about

    And there are many, longer videos out there that you can find.


    So, what do you think of the recent native European depopulation that's happening? Do you feel comfortable living your moderate life trying to avoid unwanted children and ending up having one or none while long-cast, disoccupied immigrants breed like rats and live off welfare that you pay for?


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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    Now you know why I made a big deal out of Subway's bacon ban.

    Which, btw, totally got so much bad publicity that my Subway's selling normal bacon again.
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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    Progressive islamisation is a big problem for Europe. I can't understand why the other countries don't do anything with it. In such moments I'm happy for have a right-wing politics. I remember when the Sarkozy want to limit immigration and the other countries threatened him with sanctions. This is sick.

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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    don't think anyone will buy into this "peaceful" imperialism, the only scary fact is the increasing population of muslims
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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    This sounds like something that should go in the serious discussion sub-section.
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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    @Animedude5555 Like you have any concept as to the proper placement of threads. Back to your hole, leech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieWolf2508 View Post
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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    If those countries want, we could send some Texans there way to help beat back the Muslims.
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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    It's times like this that make me so glad I'm not part of any religion at all. Saw this coming to be honest.

    Not condoning what many Muslims seem to be (reportedly) doing--far from it; but that's mostly because I'm opposed to overpopulation in general, not because I have an irrational fear of Islamism. Also, let's conveniently gloss over the fact that many many Christians have historically done pretty much the same thing and still control most of the world; but heaven forbid Muslims start expanding their religious territory as well and suddenly that's an immediate threat that must not be allowed to happen. Hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieWolf2508 View Post
    Like you have any concept as to the proper placement of threads. Back to your hole, leech.
    Typically he doesn't. However, this topic could spiral out of control if things are kept civil. And since the OP has already stated that Muslims "breed like rats", we are already off to a bad start.

    Quote Originally Posted by DOOM! View Post
    So, what do you think of the recent native European depopulation that's happening? Do you feel comfortable living your moderate life trying to avoid unwanted children and ending up having one or none while long-cast, disoccupied immigrants breed like rats and live off welfare that you pay for?
    Well, just like in the US, some Muslims end up on welfare because they can't get jobs due to discrimination. So now we have this broken logic where people don't want to give Muslims jobs (because they are takin' our JEEEERBS!!) but are also pissed off that they live on welfare....because some Muslims can't jobs...which means that they have to live on welfare...which is going to piss people off.

    But I digress...

    So...is rape a foreign thing in Sweden and Norway? Has it never happened before until recently? Or, just to blow your mind, are we sensationalizing this because the rapists are, or just potentially, Muslim (as neither country doesn't keep very accurate counts of Muslim people, particularly Sweden)? This is less of a problem of Muslims and more of a problem with misogynist buttheads. The whole "you are fair game because of the way you are dressed" notion exists with Western-born rapists too, ya know.

     
    For the record, I am not condoning rape or any form of sexual assault. As a victim, I have been there. It is just that we shouldn't pretend as if Norway's "rape epidemic" is due to just Muslims. The issue goes both ways. There are jerks raping women and the Norwegian government sucks at dealing with it, no matter who they are.


    Also, OMG, a fundamentalist religious practitioner wants ALL people, regardless of actual faith, to follow a set of religious rules in the guise that it will benefit man, and that resisting such things is the actual cause of violence. Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, from a bunch of Christians. This has happened before. This STILL happens. There are plenty of fundamentalist Christians who have reacted violently so that they can spread some message about their religion. Unfortunately, Norway knows this quite well.

    So now we find ourselves in a world where people are losing their minds about the threat of Muslims taking over their communities while pastors talk about placing gays into concentration camps.

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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    As someone from Sweden, I'll say this: I really wouldn't worry about it.

    The muslims have neither money, nor numbers, and as such, they have no political power to speak of. And as they seem hell bent on making the exact same mistakes as black people have in the US, that's probably not going to change anytime soon.

    Should also be noted that this is in a country so secular the christians barely have any political say-so.

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    I just hate muslims, they should go back to afganistan or saudi arabia and experience what their religion is really like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumagawa View Post
    I just hate muslims, they should go back to afganistan or saudi arabia and experience what their religion is really like.
    That sounds racist.
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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    Overall they still make up a tiny portion of Sweden. While maybe there is cause for immediate concern with some specific groups. I think there's room for hope that by the third generation people will have assimilated enough that they'll get along and Sweden will get some great ethnic cuisine out of the bargain.

    At least that's how we're hoping it goes in the US, and that's really been the general way it goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by .:neuko:. View Post
    Also, let's conveniently gloss over the fact that many many Christians have historically done pretty much the same thing and still control most of the world; but heaven forbid Muslims start expanding their religious territory as well and suddenly that's an immediate threat that must not be allowed to happen. Hypocrisy.
    Ok, I'm a Christian, and lets be honest, there are some lessons to be learned from history there. Maybe reading some very old text of people worrying about Christian immigrants would get them labeled as "Christianphobes" or something. Buuuuuut when some Christian nations were in their imperialist modes we might just have kept coming until the ethnic cleansings started. Not being bigoted doesn't mean turning your brain off, especially when it comes to very specific organizations, movements, or nations.

    But I think a lot of Western nations are aware of that and there is vetting of immigrants.


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    That sounds racist.
    Well, no it wouldn't be. Islam is not a race. Islamaphobic might be what you're looking for.
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    Hmm...it seems I was given some neg-rep for bringing up discrimination, not that it did much to actually affect my reputation. So with a deep sigh, let me explain something, in the most concise way possible.

    I know what it feels like to be discriminated against. I know what it feels like to be minding your own business and have someone say something derogatory to your face. I know what it feels like to enter a store and have multiple eyes on you because the clerk thinks that you are going to steal something. I know what it feels like to have someone stop you in the middle of the street and proclaim that they want to save your soul because your religion is on the "not approved" list. I know what it feels like to have someone glare at you and blame you for the actions of a handful of people of your race. I have been there. It is sad that, as a 23 year old in 2014, I can still give anecdotes of discrimination. It shouldn't be happening, but it does.

    So it is no wonder that I have strong feelings about people doing the exact same thing to Muslims, even in a digital format. I can understand frustration. It is completely understandable to be frustrated when your community is changing all around you, especially when the changes impact the way you live, from whether you can get bacon at your local sub shop to how safe you feel when you go out at night. I get that. However, taking this frustration out on an entire group for the actions of a few is just plain ignorant. It is a logical fallacy; it is bigotry. I don't care what the reason is and I don't have to be British, Swedish, Norwegian, French, Jedi, or Turian to recognize what it is because I have been on the receiving end of it. After you have been hit a few times, you don't have to be a martial artist to know what a punch is. If we replaced the word "Muslim" with "Black", people would have lost their minds by now, especially with the whole "breed like rats" bull mess. I can understand frustration, but indiscriminate frustration is the reason why I get glared at for daring to walk into certain stores in certain neighborhoods.

    Call me Zoe Hanji (reference), but even with my negative experiences, I try to learn something from the other side. It is SOOOO beyond easy to just hate everybody in a group than to understand a single member. It is much easier to blame all Muslims for changes instead of figuring out what those changes mean. It is much easier to watch a Muslim cleric attempt to speak for all Muslims, and thus confirm your own beliefs about them, than to take a step back and figure it out on your own in person.

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    Well, no it wouldn't be. Islam is not a race. Islamaphobic might be what you're looking for.
    As true as this may be, there is no denying that some people react negatively to both the religion and anybody perceived to belong to that religion, e.g. non-Mulsim people of Arabic, Iranian, or Pakistani decent. There are third generation Iranian kids who still get terrorist jabs thrown at them, so its not just the religion some people hate.
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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    I get that. However, taking this frustration out on an entire group for the actions of a few is just plain ignorant. It is a logical fallacy;
    It's a bit more general, but it occurs to me that, at least in English, we don't really have the language to discuss this sort of thing well.

    Historically lumping groups together is just how things were done. You didn't talk about extremist Nazi's to differentiate out the nice ones, nor did one generally qualify statements about members of the communist party that some of them are surely willing to live peacefully within capitalism. So on and so forth, going back as long as you'd care to consider.

    And it still isn't generally done when disadvantaged groups go after the privileged groups.

    It's a recent phenomenon that applies to attempting to discuss beliefs held by specific groups.

    However it is true that when lumping together millions your statement is going to be wrong, ethically and certainly logically. But you can't effectively communicate if it takes you two paragraphs to elaborate on exactly the set of beliefs that you're talking about and a third stating exceptions and general support for those not covered in the first two paragraphs.

    I suppose what is needed is a new term.

    Maybe we can make "Infidelphobes" happen? Or, if we want to avoid the translation, "kafirphobes".

    As true as this may be, there is no denying that some people react negatively to both the religion and anybody perceived to belong to that religion, e.g. non-Mulsim people of Arabic, Iranian, or Pakistani decent. There are third generation Iranian kids who still get terrorist jabs thrown at them, so its not just the religion some people hate.
    Perhaps, but racism is a rather specific and strong accusation to just throw around.
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    Default Re: The Islamisation of Sweden, Norway, Denmark a.s.o.

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside View Post
    However it is true that when lumping together millions your statement is going to be wrong, ethically and certainly logically. But you can't effectively communicate if it takes you two paragraphs to elaborate on exactly the set of beliefs that you're talking about and a third stating exceptions and general support for those not covered in the first two paragraphs.
    At least including a discussion of beliefs would avoid disparaging an entire group of people for no reason. But a discussion of beliefs isn't what is happening here.

    Like I said, it is really easy to say "I hate ALL Muslims" than to say "I hate some Muslims because they believe...." The latter requires you to think outside yourself for a second, to do research on something you don't like. The former means that you can stay in your bubble. This isn't effective communication either.

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside View Post
    Perhaps, but racism is a rather specific and strong accusation to just throw around.
    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

    I mean, the accusation is strong but it isn't inaccurate. As I have said before, although some people might be claiming to be criticizing the religion of Islam, that type of discussion hasn't been happening here. It has always been about the people who practice it, not the religion itself. Each time, it is about Muslims doing this and Muslims doing that, not the beliefs in the religion that they practice, which are not inflexible and set in stone. Talking about beliefs would at least give us an understanding of what is going on.

    But when someone states that a group of people is breeding like rats, what could have been a critique of religious beliefs has blended into a critique into personal character, as if that religion is a reflection of that person. And since a lot of "Islamophobes" react negatively to a Muslim person, not just the religion itself, and since the common perception of a Muslim is connected to their race, then it becomes a form of xenophobia, which can manifest into...racism.
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