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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside View Post

    Wasn't there also some Atlantis movie with a Princess? Did it really suck and that's why she didn't get into the merchandising racket?
    Yes and yes. Kida was the princess and her testing phase bombed. Its the same as Eilonwy from the Black Cauldron. Shes a princess and yet shes not in the lineup because the movie did poorly. If she was added, she'd be the youngest princess of the bunch, Kida would have been the oldest [in movie she was like....8,000 years old or something]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    Yes and yes. Kida was the princess and her testing phase bombed. Its the same as Eilonwy from the Black Cauldron. Shes a princess and yet shes not in the lineup because the movie did poorly. If she was added, she'd be the youngest princess of the bunch, Kida would have been the oldest [in movie she was like....8,000 years old or something]
    I suppose that hints other pincess like movies that don't get in aren't considered as good. I suppose The Hunchback of Notre Dame, when considered against the others, had the rather depressing message of "love can overcome anything...except being ugly."

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    AHEM. Let's get back on topic with Frozen, shall we?
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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    So what did Elsa eat for the months she was on the mountain?
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    She had dinner with the Donner family
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    She had dinner with the Donner family
    I gotta admit, I laughed really hard at that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    I gotta admit, I laughed really hard at that
    I figured I'd either get a really good laugh or scolding from someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton_n View Post
    So what did Elsa eat for the months she was on the mountain?
    I didn't get the impression she was up there months. My impression was that she ran off on foot some distance. Anna follows and eventually arrives the next morning. And it's later that day when ?Hans? heads off and eventually reaches her.

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    That reminds me, what I never understood is-

     
    If Hans wanted Elsa dead for the throne with Anna, why not let the two that go after her just kill her? Say 'oh no~ I didnt get to her in time!! How sad for me D=' But instead he saves her, though she is put in prison.

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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    That reminds me, what I never understood is-
    We need spoiler tags sixty posts in on a thread with a spoiler warning?

     

    Actual answer? I bet they came up with the climax first, then probably some of the early stuff, and, as is often the case, things get a little sketchy as they try and connect the dots. Also logical inconsistency makes people more likely to fall for twist endings.

    Buuut since I kinda enjoy the mental exercise of rationalizing/explaining stuff I'll take a shot. At that point in time he wasn't actually married to Anna yet so his succession was far from certain, and may have been looking to curry favor with her sister with the whole "don't be the monster they think you are" business. He probably figured he could kill her at his leisure later the wedding.

    His hand was later forced because he knew he couldn't deliver a "true love" kiss. Revealing his evil scheme after that and leaving her unguarded to "die" are just tropes you have to roll with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    That reminds me, what I never understood is-

     
    If Hans wanted Elsa dead for the throne with Anna, why not let the two that go after her just kill her? Say 'oh no~ I didnt get to her in time!! How sad for me D=' But instead he saves her, though she is put in prison.
    Because that was apart of his plan. But how easy is it going to be for Anna to kill her only sister. Even short-stuff didn't think Anna could do anything, so he sent his goons after Elsa. When Elsa gets thrown into jail, it's for appearance sake. Give the illusion that she will be given a fair trail and/or punishment. That way he looks like a true prince of honor rather than scum trying to wear valor. It helps when you think about Game of Thrones when trying to understand Hans's moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    That reminds me, what I never understood is-

     
    If Hans wanted Elsa dead for the throne with Anna, why not let the two that go after her just kill her? Say 'oh no~ I didnt get to her in time!! How sad for me D=' But instead he saves her, though she is put in prison.
    Yeah, I was going to use spoiler tags until I realized that the title of the thread mentions spoilers, so...

    The reason why Hans didn't let those two guys kill Elsa was because he knew that he at least needed to get back on Elsa's good graces in order for his plan to work; his lies can only go so far. His intention was to make Elsa look like a monster, then kill her and become a hero. However, if those Weslton guys killed Elsa, then he isn't a hero.

    Also, Elsa was highly provoked at that point and those two were about to be killed. Hans didn't want to take a chance with that, so he pretended to be merciful to let her guard down. He deflected the arrow to further show to everyone that he was merciful and kind towards Elsa, but he intentionally deflected it toward the chandelier to kill Elsa...which didn't work.

    So he brings Elsa back to Arendelle, again showing both her and the kingdom that he is a benevolent man, and....well, we know what happens after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside View Post
    I didn't get the impression she was up there months. My impression was that she ran off on foot some distance. Anna follows and eventually arrives the next morning. And it's later that day when ?Hans? heads off and eventually reaches her.

    Then why were the trading outposts out of food and winter supplies and the ice merchant going broke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton_n View Post
    Then why were the trading outposts out of food and winter supplies and the ice merchant going broke?
    Because they were set up for Summer and not Winter. They probably ate or stocked up on all/most of the food and water they had. Thus if they had any, it wouldn't be up for sell.
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    Then why were the trading outposts out of food and winter supplies and the ice merchant going broke?
    Well, Oaken was out of winter supplies because it was the middle of summer when all of this happened. I'm guessing he might have been out of food from having people cross into Arendelle for the coronation.

    As for Kristoff being broke, that has always been an issue for me; hell, the passage of time in general, and how people react to it, is the one thing I don't like about this movie (and I LOVE this movie).

    Considering that it was summer, Kristoff should be making bank. He was even seen in Arendelle trading with Sven. How he managed to have not enough money to pay for his supplies is beyond me. He could be having issues selling his ice, but the passage of time in Frozen is not at all clear. The time between Elsa running away and Anna meeting Kristoff is less than a day; this is not enough time for Kristoff to run out of money. When the story goes back to Arendelle, it has literally been two days since Elsa ran away, but the entire kingdom is freezing and running out of food, which makes no sense because this is fictional Norway; people should have clothes for the winter (they would probably feel better if they were inside; a lot of guests are still wandering around outside). And how is an entire kingdom running out of food after a couple of days? The Duke of Weslton, among others, is worried about Elsa's "eternal winter" when it has only been two days.

    I would accept that it would take some time to get to the North Mountain if Kristoff didn't ride down the mountain, then back up, then BACK DOWN AGAIN, in a just a few hours (and I am being generous here)
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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    Oh Arendelle, a magical Scandinavian kingdom in the middle of nowhere.. like most Disney kingdoms.

    I actually paused the movie several times during Elsa's coronation to see if Eugene and Rapunzel were sitting among the spectators.
    I'm gonna assume something came up and they had to return to Corona supposedly. Or Rapunzel became bored and went exploring, with Eugene following suit.

    I know I would fall asleep like homeboy sitting next to Hans during the event.
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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton_n View Post
    Then why were the trading outposts out of food and winter supplies and the ice merchant going broke?
    I should probably qualify statements by saying that I viewed the movie behind a small sea of somewhat noisey elementary kids, and was periodically cooking hot dogs, getting a kid out from in front of the screen, or getting my wife a soda and some m&ms. There were some distractions during that scene.

    But my impression was the same as the others here in that he didn't have winter supplies because it was supposed to be summer. I'm not so sure he was exactly out of food ( wasn't he offering free lutefisk? ) Although around here when a big storm comes in people are siezed with a desire to empty stores of bread, milk, eggs, and bottled water.

    It's ridiculous. Couldn't you buy your bottled water ahead of time? The stuff keeps! If you're really worried just fill up your bathtub or something.

    Anyway, back on topic, considering there appeared to be an imminent crop failure hoarding would be reasonable.

    I'd blame Kristoff's shortage of funds on a lack of business acumen or perhaps that he was expecting to sell all that ice to the store keep in exchange for supplies and money. But I'm not sure he was broke. Rather he got pissy about the price gouging and the store owner threw him out.

    (And of course if Kristoff was full of cash it would have been harder for the writers to figure out why he'd go play with some wolves for some snotty girl he just met.)

    But more than that if it took them months to get out it would have taken months to get back, and I didn't get the impression the whole heart freezing thing offered that sort of time. Rather my impression was that everything was happening within hours of the castle.

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    But more than that if it took them months to get out it would have taken months to get back, and I didn't get the impression the whole heart freezing thing offered that sort of time. Rather my impression was that everything was happening within hours of the castle.
    That's kinda how I feel. Some people say that an unspecified amount of time happens between Elsa leaving and her getting captured, but I think the main events in the movie take place in the Disney standard of three days.

    Kristoff takes Anna back to Arendelle, then goes up the mountain, then comes back down. This has to happen in a short amount of time because Anna appears to be dying rapidly. Days aren't going by during this time; it is only a few hours or so.
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    I think 2 days passed from when Elsa left to her being captured.


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    I'm just wondering if she had stayed would Elsa have starved up there?


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    I'm just wondering if she had stayed would Elsa have starved up there?
    Assuming she has basic survival experience, no. She has powers that already gives her a huge advantage. She could send out her big killer snowman to gather food or hunt down animals.


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    Not for some time. The Donner's are very hospitable and generous when it comes to food in the mountains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albear View Post
    Assuming she has basic survival experience, no. She has powers that already gives her a huge advantage. She could send out her big killer snowman to gather food or hunt down animals.

    Yeah, but it was eternal winter. Our ancestors had to do the hunter gathering thing for centuries before that ended.


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    Guess who the villain on Once Upon A Time is next season

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