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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    Anyone who says that they're lesbians must have a dirty mind.

    I love this movie because it focuses more on family ties than romance, which is nice. Let It Go is also a nice song, I have to say I like Demi Lovato's version more than Idina Menzel's. And Olaf is my favourite character.

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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    I honestly think Frozen was over-rated. Sure I enjoyed it, but Disney just isn't what it used to be...

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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    I wasn't counting Simba.




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    Quote Originally Posted by teenj12 View Post
    This movie sucked so hard. It was too lesbian-vibeish to me. I know ppl say it wasn't, but IT'S SO OBVIOUS. I just don't support lesbianism/gayism, so watching this was awkward.
    If you got a "lesbian vibe" from watching a movie about two sisters, there is something wrong with you. I would feel awkward too if I started having weird lesbian-incest feelings coming out of nowhere.

    It is interesting that, in this heteronormative society, people are sick of a woman being rescued by some man in the end and getting married after knowing him for 3 hours. However, after getting a movie that doesn't have a princess getting saved by a random man (Anna saves herself) and not only has a princess that doesn't fall in love but disparages the very notion of getting married to some random dude, people turn around and scream "EWW LESBIANS!!"

    There are some special type of people in this world, I swear.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    What math? And there were more than 2 males lions in The Lion King. There were 3 lionesses too. 3 lions (Father, Son, and Uncle) and 3 Lionesses (Mother of a son, Mother of a daughter, and a Daughter). 3 + 3 =/= Lesbians.
    Two things:

    The lesbian thing was about Mulan, not The Lion King. In Once a Upon Time, it was (essentially) revealed that Mulan was bisexual since she was chasing Prince Philip around the whole time, but she almost revealed to Aurora that she was in love with her. People almost lost their minds.



    Also, in The Lion King, since there are only two adult male lions (Mufasa and Scar), there are only two possibilities: that Mufasa mated with all of the females, making Simba and Nala half-siblings, or Scar got to mate with some of the females, which potentially makes Nala and Simba cousins (there is no possibility that they are not related, given typical lion behavior).

    So Simba and Nala are either paternal cousins or they are brother and sister.To make things worse, there was once a plot about Scar trying to seduce Nala (something that is still present in the Broadway play). So he is either trying to mate with his niece or...his own daughter.

    That is some Game of Pride Rock mess right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    If you got a "lesbian vibe" from watching a movie about two sisters, there is something wrong with you. I would feel awkward too if I started having weird lesbian-incest feelings coming out of nowhere.
    It is interesting that, in this heteronormative society, people are sick of a woman being rescued by some man in the end and getting married after knowing him for 3 hours. However, after getting a movie that doesn't have a princess getting saved by a random man (Anna saves herself) and not only has a princess that doesn't fall in love but disparages the very notion of getting married to some random dude, people turn around and scream "EWW LESBIANS!!"
    Could be worse. Did you see Brave? Guess who the lesbian couple is there
     




    Besides sisters... people love that. Ever watch Springer?No, you're right, nobody would ever think that about any siblings in a Disney movie


     















    As for those who "hate" gays... they have issues.
    Usually involving their own homosexual feelings.
    (Oddly many of the ones who hate two guys together are fine with girls...)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton_n View Post
    Could be worse. Did you see Brave? Guess who the lesbian couple is there
     




    Besides sisters... people love that. Ever watch Springer?No, you're right, nobody would ever think that about any siblings in a Disney movie


     















    As for those who "hate" gays... they have issues.

    (Oddly many of the ones who hate two guys together are fine with girls...)
    Either youre retarded or *you* have lesbian feelings for your sister and mother
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    Either youre retarded or *you* have lesbian feelings for your sister and mother
    Clearly there was some child droppage at an early age there.

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    @Clayton_n , Seriously dude. Not every interaction between two girls, two women, or a woman and a girl is lesbian stuff. Get your head out of the lesbian genre of porn, and you'll see that love doesn't always come from a lover and at many times bonds between family are stronger than anything else.
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    So I girled up and finally watched the movie.

    Seriously though, the movie was amazing.

    Ending was unexpected but I was glad it ended that way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonMoon View Post
    Anyone who says that they're lesbians must have a dirty mind.
    I won't lie, my friend and I joked about it.

    Obviously it's sisterly love though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou+ View Post
    So I girled up and finally watched the movie.

    Seriously though, the movie was amazing.

    Ending was unexpected but I was glad it ended that way.
    Was a pretty refreshing ending, wasn't it? Something besides Handsome Hero(s) saving the day. Video semi-related
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    It makes me wonder though..

    Obviously because Anna and Elsa are sisters, and because like Maru said, Disney will never endorse the act of incest then it renders all those comments stupid, even just vibes.

    But ignoring any contradictions, what if they were friends? Would it render the assumptions more valid thus it being more controversial?

    Personally, due to the "anit-cliche" route that this movie took, I still wouldn't think they are lesbians/gay/bi because you can still truly love your friends (as well as do what Anna did for Elsa) but due to the same scenario mentioned, I wouldn't exactly blame people who had those vibes. Because it's been said, there's nothing wrong with (les/bi) it and it's been done before with other Disney media. However, there's nothing else to go off from so...it's baseless assumptions so second reason why I would think they are not les/bi.
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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Clearly there was some child droppage at an early age there.

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    @Clayton_n , Seriously dude. Not every interaction between two girls, two women, or a woman and a girl is lesbian stuff. Get your head out of the lesbian genre of porn, and you'll see that love doesn't always come from a lover and at many times bonds between family are stronger than anything else.


    Uh, actually thte three sistyers thing in both Alladin and Beauty and the Beast involved all three sisters and one guy... which means all three sisters and that counts.


    And I don't feel that way about MY family, but thanks to the Gilmore Girls...


    Anyway it's not like I'm the only one seeing the thing with Elsa and Anna

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton_n View Post
    Uh, actually thte three sistyers thing in both Alladin and Beauty and the Beast involved all three sisters and one guy... which means all three sisters and that counts.
    And where did you get that info from?

    Anyway it's not like I'm the only one seeing the thing with Elsa and Anna

    As the people with the most demented minds will see that Olaf clearly was a squirrel that had lost its life and became a snowman.
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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Was a pretty refreshing ending, wasn't it? Something besides Handsome Hero(s) saving the day.
    It would have been refreshing twenty years ago.

    The animated disney pricess lineup Frozen is following is Brave, Tangled, The Princess and the Frog, Mulan, and Pocohantas. The prince charming thing is extremely dated (except when he's the bad guy). Kristoff was probably a bit above par in terms of relative competance and such out of the bunch.

    The sister angle was new though, and having a pair of little girls I quite appreciated it. I found the film quite enjoyable as movie night fair goes, and the girls loved it.
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    Default Re: Frozen (warning, spoilers)

    Don't forget all the TV series based on the movies.

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    It's not the whole lesbian garbage being spout by people...its actually interesting.


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    @Clayton_n

    It occurs to me that the X-men could be used to wrap up a good 90% of the movies out there (including more than a few Romcoms I've sat through with my wife). But I did enjoy that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou+ View Post
    It's not the whole lesbian garbage being spout by people...its actually interesting.
    I dunno about his stuff.

    First he's again thinking of Disney tropes set starting in the 30s.

    For more recent guys my take is something like this:

    Brave: A parade of nameless losers. I don't know if I'd even say they have a male lead.
    Tangled: I guess Flynn has some skillz and some game despite getting slapped around by Rapunzel
    The Pincess and the Frog: That insufferable bum was lucky he was the last human-turned-into-a-frog on earth so he could marry into what came to be a successful restaurant instead of ending on food stamps.
    Mulan: Ok, prince whats-his-face has some credentials. But he was completely overshadowed and, now that I think about it, wasn't he actually a jerk to her once he found out her secret? And she actually didn't want to be in the castle around him. He had to come after her, at which point her family latched onto his prestige and wealth. Looking back things were a bit more awkward than lovebirdish with them right?
    Pocohontas: Smith displayed some heroism, but she had to save him. And then turned his butt down.

    In short I think the disney princess movie stereotype needs to be redefined.


    As for the gay thing, I think he's over interpreting things. The whole "I gotta be me" thing has been a strong concept since at least the 60s, probably long long before that, and has broad appeal for a lot of people for a lot of a reasons. If you wanted to pin it down to a specific lifestyle choice it seems you would be able to make the strongest case for it supporting the otherkin community. Though the "I gotta be me" concept is supportive to the LGBTQIAUO cause and so I guess there is that

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    Am I the only one picturing her parents planning to tell Elsa that love was the key as soon as they got back from their brief and uneventful sea voyage?

    Just wondering though, in the Disney princess movies if you replace the princes with another princess... would that even effect the story? (Note: Mulan was never an actual princess)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton_n View Post
    Am I the only one picturing her parents planning to tell Elsa that love was the key as soon as they got back from their brief and uneventful sea voyage?
    I'm pretty sure if they had that idea they'd have mentioned it earlier.

    Also I'm not entirely sure love is completely the answer. If she still starts hurling icy death bolts and whatnot when she gets POed than having somebody that loves you isn't going to totally resolves the issue.

    (Note: Mulan was never an actual princess)
    Actually she is. They made sequels. Though for some reason I think the sequels are always half baked direct to video deals. So far my girls don't know about them.

    Just wondering though, in the Disney princess movies if you replace the princes with another princess... would that even effect the story?
    Since Elsa has superpowers throwing her into any of the other stories would change them dramatically, and possibly end them in about five minutes.

    Otherwise I might broadly define the Princesses as being Traditional (Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel), modern (Pocohontas on), and maybe transitional (Belle, Jasmin).

    The Traditional princesses were noteworthy for their physical attractiveness, singing, and a certain type of mentality.

    Modern princesses are, well I probably don't need to explain that. The transitional ones are a blend of the types.

    So I think if you switch a traditional and modern princess you'd change things up.

    As far as my daughters go they generally gravitated more towards the "traditional" princess movies as those movies spend a lot of time with people singing songs with birds and crap as opposed to fighting. But they did like Frozen. Though they're probably just getting older. In the past they probably would have gotten freaked out by all the violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside View Post
    Actually she is. They made sequels. Though for some reason I think the sequels are always half baked direct to video deals. So far my girls don't know about them.
    Actually, shes not. Li Shang is a Captain of the army, he has no relations to the king. Disney added her to the princess lineup because she was popular. You could argue Pocahontas and Merida arent either, but their fathers are...chiefs, of sorts. So it kinda makes them princesses. Alice almost became a princess, but her 'testing phase' before adding her didnt go well, so she was never added to the Disney princess lineup.

    Elsa joining the princess lineup is interesting, since in her movie shes a queen.

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    I still say the evil Queen was prettier than Snow White.


    But I meant for example if Ariel were in Alladin' place or in the Little Mermaid if Prince Eric had been princess Erica... I really don't see that changing the story much, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    Actually, shes not. Li Shang is a Captain of the army, he has no relations to the king.
    Oh, I thought he was also the Kings son. So...that means Ling would be in line for the throne? Hurm. I'd say Li Shang and Mulan are still in the running. But point taken.

    Actually I wouldn't mind a "Disney Princess" with a "screw royalty" attitude. Though that might be biting the hand that feeds them.

    You could argue Pocahontas and Merida arent either, but their fathers are...chiefs, of sorts. So it kinda makes them princesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside View Post
    Oh, I thought he was also the Kings son. So...that means Ling would be in line for the throne? Hurm. I'd say Li Shang and Mulan are still in the running. But point taken.

    Actually I wouldn't mind a "Disney Princess" with a "screw royalty" attitude. Though that might be biting the hand that feeds them.



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    Actually, in one of the sequels, I believe the emperor sends Shang and Mulan to transport his three daughters off to marry another prince or something, but they fall for Mulan's three little army buddys [I cant remember their names for the life of me]. So there are princesses in a sequel...and I guess the 3 army guys marry them to become princes? Dont quote me on that, I dont remember how it ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    and I guess the 3 army guys marry them to become princes? Dont quote me on that, I dont remember how it ends.
    Yeah, that's the "Ling" I mentioned above. Note that I haven't seen the movie, I just read up on it in case I wanted to get it for the girls at some point.

    Wasn't there also some Atlantis movie with a Princess? Did it really suck and that's why she didn't get into the merchandising racket?

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