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    Default Re: ghosts. do you belive in them?


    Okay, ghosts do real, but they're too weak to endanger you. But it sure gets their jollies when teenagers get scared of them; lets them steal a little extra energy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHopeInEclipse View Post
    Negative. Ghosts are not real. Alien life is more likely.
    watch ghost adventures you simple man
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    Quote Originally Posted by horrendous View Post
    watch ghost adventures you simple man
    Lol I have netflix and I have. I've never seen such theatrics. IMO, anyone who believes in science over religion should not believe in ghosts. Otherwise, where are the ghosts of the life on this planet from over the last 3.9 billion years?

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    I agree that aliens are more credible. The government will want people to believe that there are no aliens or UFOs where in fact, they are already here on earth submerged at the oceanbed under the five triangular regions of the northern hemisphere, There is already too much undeniable evidence about it.
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    Default Re: ghosts. do you belive in them?

    I don't think so, life has it's mysteries yes... I've never seen any ghost/spirit with my own eyes, though. Maybe it's just the human mind that tricks us always.

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    Default Re: ghosts. do you belive in them?

    those TV shows about supernatural encounters use a trick called "pepper's ghost illusion" they're all fake

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHopeInEclipse View Post
    Lol I have netflix and I have. I've never seen such theatrics. IMO, anyone who believes in science over religion should not believe in ghosts. Otherwise, where are the ghosts of the life on this planet from over the last 3.9 billion years?
    my guess is they dissipate after a while. yeah the show sometimes gets melodramatic sometimes with possessions and whatnot, but the evidence they collect is very persuasive. the most convincing of this evidence is the EVPs they get. they frequently receive real-time responses to questions using a device called the spirit box.

    also i don't associate ghosts with religion at all. i view paranormal investigations far more scientifically than church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horrendous View Post
    also i don't associate ghosts with religion at all. i view paranormal investigations far more scientifically than church.
    I was suggesting that they are both creations of man, not that ghosts are directly related to religion. Although looking back I could see how I came off that way though. My point is that the reason there are no ghosts around older than the earliest civilizations is because prior to intelligent homo sapiens, no one created the idea of ghosts. How come most ghosts are humans? Why not animals? I usually associate that with Man's superiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHopeInEclipse View Post
    I was suggesting that they are both creations of man, not that ghosts are directly related to religion. Although looking back I could see how I came off that way though. My point is that the reason there are no ghosts around older than the earliest civilizations is because prior to intelligent homo sapiens, no one created the idea of ghosts. How come most ghosts are humans? Why not animals? I usually associate that with Man's superiority complex.
    i think he fact that we don't hear much about ghost animals is because they're not at the same level of consciousness that humans are and therefore can't leave the same level of energy behind

    the paranormal field is still young and will never be considered a real science because you can't produce the same result every time. for that reason our knowledge of ghosts is going to remain rudimentary for a long time.

    and humans have a superiority complex when concerning animals because we are superior to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horrendous View Post
    i think he fact that we don't hear much about ghost animals is because they're not at the same level of consciousness that humans are and therefore can't leave the same level of energy behind

    the paranormal field is still young and will never be considered a real science because you can't produce the same result every time. for that reason our knowledge of ghosts is going to remain rudimentary for a long time.

    and humans have a superiority complex when concerning animals because we are superior to them.

    What about animals with high levels of consciousness, like Dolphins? They have the ability to recognize themselves, and possess a will to live? I honestly feel that "ghosts" are made up for one purpose: to instill fear. Because fear is the easiest way to control people. Much like religion.

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    Default Re: ghosts. do you belive in them?

    when i was a little kid i was always scared in this house, knowing that someone killed himself in here about 100 years ago. i always felt like something is following me. heard knocking at walls but nothing was there. one night my siblings heard screaming from each others rooms. might have been childish fantasy.
    however, in my view of nature, theres no space for ghosts. and since i think like that, nothing not explainable has happened for me anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHopeInEclipse View Post
    What about animals with high levels of consciousness, like Dolphins? They have the ability to recognize themselves, and possess a will to live? I honestly feel that "ghosts" are made up for one purpose: to instill fear. Because fear is the easiest way to control people. Much like religion.
    well nobody's ever investigated under water. there's way too much evidence of ghosts for me to believe they're made up. i think if you look at the evidence and come up with a response like "why are there no dolphin ghosts? fake!", you're kinda in denial. try to explain away all the video and audio evidence, like full body apparitions, wisps of energy, objects being physically moved without anybody touching them, full sentences and responses to questions. the ghost adventures crew have taken their video evidence to video editing experts with no skin in the game, and the experts validated their findings, saying no tampering had taken place. for me, that's irrefutable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHopeInEclipse View Post
    Lol I have netflix and I have. I've never seen such theatrics. IMO, anyone who believes in science over religion should not believe in ghosts. Otherwise, where are the ghosts of the life on this planet from over the last 3.9 billion years?
    While I agree shows like Ghost Hunters is total hogwash, there could be a science to 'ghosts' and 'hauntings'. Its a conversation my brother and i had a while back, about the possibilities of other dimensions. The human soul can be seen as a force of energy, and energy is neither created or destroyed....so what happens to our energy when we die? I think it moves up to the next plane, the 4th dimension. Obviously its a plane we cant see, but can see us (just like we can see something in 2D but it would never be able to see us) thus 'hauntings'.

    He later came up with an interesting theory of how that energy moves back down to the 3rd dimension and is 'reborn' (reincarnation) which would explain how some people can recall past lives without any prior knowledge of the other person.


    But again, its just a theory. Ghosts dont have to be seen as supernatural, they can be looked at in a scientific light

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    Quote Originally Posted by horrendous View Post
    well nobody's ever investigated under water. there's way too much evidence of ghosts for me to believe they're made up. i think if you look at the evidence and come up with a response like "why are there no dolphin ghosts? fake!", you're kinda in denial. try to explain away all the video and audio evidence, like full body apparitions, wisps of energy, objects being physically moved without anybody touching them, full sentences and responses to questions. the ghost adventures crew have taken their video evidence to video editing experts with no skin in the game, and the experts validated their findings, saying no tampering had taken place. for me, that's irrefutable.
    You're the one who correlated ghosts to consciousness, so I was just pointing out one of the species of animals with high levels of consciousness. I think the fact that there are no such ghost sighting and stories pre-dating homo sapiens if proof enough that man invented them. Homo Sapiens co-existed with Cro Magnon, both possessing "higher intelligence" (although HS were much more intelligent). It's also very convenient to say that their residual energy is either too weak or too old, and therefore not able to be detected. This is a solid reason than the "science" of the paranormal will never be legitimate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    While I agree shows like Ghost Hunters is total hogwash, there could be a science to 'ghosts' and 'hauntings'. Its a conversation my brother and i had a while back, about the possibilities of other dimensions. The human soul can be seen as a force of energy, and energy is neither created or destroyed....so what happens to our energy when we die? I think it moves up to the next plane, the 4th dimension. Obviously its a plane we cant see, but can see us (just like we can see something in 2D but it would never be able to see us) thus 'hauntings'.

    He later came up with an interesting theory of how that energy moves back down to the 3rd dimension and is 'reborn' (reincarnation) which would explain how some people can recall past lives without any prior knowledge of the other person.


    But again, its just a theory. Ghosts dont have to be seen as supernatural, they can be looked at in a scientific light
    Those are interesting theories, but my problem is with the bolded statement. This is something that I simply don't believe in. The concept is a creation of man, ripe for interpretation.

    ---------- Post added at 05:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:09 PM ----------

    Also, in regards to Ghost hunting and their tools...

    http://www.notaghost.com/2010/01/the-bag-of-tricks.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHopeInEclipse View Post
    You're the one who correlated ghosts to consciousness, so I was just pointing out one of the species of animals with high levels of consciousness. I think the fact that there are no such ghost sighting and stories pre-dating homo sapiens if proof enough that man invented them. Homo Sapiens co-existed with Cro Magnon, both possessing "higher intelligence" (although HS were much more intelligent). It's also very convenient to say that their residual energy is either too weak or too old, and therefore not able to be detected. This is a solid reason than the "science" of the paranormal will never be legitimate.



    Those are interesting theories, but my problem is with the bolded statement. This is something that I simply don't believe in. The concept is a creation of man, ripe for interpretation.

    ---------- Post added at 05:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:09 PM ----------

    Also, in regards to Ghost hunting and their tools...

    http://www.notaghost.com/2010/01/the-bag-of-tricks.html
    Maybe nothing dated that far back -because- they didnt have that higher intelligence. I'll say flat out Im Atheist. But I do believe we have an energy, a -something- that makes us unique. 'Soul' is just a common, throw-around term. Animals have them too. All my pets have little personalities to them, things that makes them unique. Its an energy, unique to all of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    Maybe nothing dated that far back -because- they didnt have that higher intelligence. I'll say flat out Im Atheist. But I do believe we have an energy, a -something- that makes us unique. 'Soul' is just a common, throw-around term. Animals have them too. All my pets have little personalities to them, things that makes them unique. Its an energy, unique to all of us.
    Possibly, but then why are their lots of examples of cave paintings depicting "aliens", but hardly any if at all depicting ghosts? As for the energy thing, if mammals and all other organisms possess this, then that must mean all bacteria and fungus do as well. When farming bacteria in a medium, you can have hundreds of colonies each containing millions of bacteria, with the colonies being perfectly visible to the eye. I've never experienced the residual energy, spirit, or soul of any of these billions of bacteria I've experienced.

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    @AllHopeInEclipse bacteria may or may not have souls and/or energy, but if they did it would be so minuscule that its no surprise you've never detected it.

    i'll stick to the theory that the energy of beings disperses after a period of time, and that's why there are no ancient ghosts. now this is a complete guess because the science is and won't be in for a long time. there isn't enough interest in the paranormal for ghost hunting and research to be taken seriously, so the only evidence we can go on is what's up on youtube, Syfy and the travel channel. the producers of the show take it seriously but i'd wager that most watchers only want to be entertained, not informed.

    there's really no point to this debate - neither of us will convince the other of our points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHopeInEclipse View Post
    Possibly, but then why are their lots of examples of cave paintings depicting "aliens", but hardly any if at all depicting ghosts? As for the energy thing, if mammals and all other organisms possess this, then that must mean all bacteria and fungus do as well. When farming bacteria in a medium, you can have hundreds of colonies each containing millions of bacteria, with the colonies being perfectly visible to the eye. I've never experienced the residual energy, spirit, or soul of any of these billions of bacteria I've experienced.
    Because they arent of a higher sense either. Lets say a dog moved to the 4th plane. Probably would just roll around not realizing its passed. We'd probably know and then try to contact our loved ones, try to hurt others out of anger, or trolololololololol people

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    Quote Originally Posted by horrendous View Post
    @AllHopeInEclipse bacteria may or may not have souls and/or energy, but if they did it would be so minuscule that its no surprise you've never detected it.

    i'll stick to the theory that the energy of beings disperses after a period of time, and that's why there are no ancient ghosts. now this is a complete guess because the science is and won't be in for a long time. there isn't enough interest in the paranormal for ghost hunting and research to be taken seriously, so the only evidence we can go on is what's up on youtube, Syfy and the travel channel. the producers of the show take it seriously but i'd wager that most watchers only want to be entertained, not informed.

    there's really no point to this debate - neither of us will convince the other of our points.
    An agree to disagree. I'm okay with that, seeing as you're right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    Because they arent of a higher sense either. Lets say a dog moved to the 4th plane. Probably would just roll around not realizing its passed. We'd probably know and then try to contact our loved ones, try to hurt others out of anger, or trolololololololol people
    So by this, you're suggesting ghosts didn't exist before man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHopeInEclipse View Post
    An agree to disagree. I'm okay with that, seeing as you're right.



    So by this, you're suggesting ghosts didn't exist before man?
    Jes. Because we're self aware, we stay self aware when moving on to the next plane. Others would too, but not being self aware like we are, they wouldnt figure out how to interact with this plane

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    I believe in ghosts just as much as I believe in Jesus.

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    Ghost are real and Ghost adventure is meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly.Ted View Post
    2 much spooky.

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    I'm a believer...I love the occult and black magic...my sister used to claim that shed see things fly off their shelves in her room, which is way sketchy. She also claims the communicates with my cat through the Ouija board xD

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    I don't know whether ghosts are real or not, but I do believe in paranormal activity.
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    I believe in them, but I havent encountered one yet. I would like to but I dont want to be alone in the room when I do, or have it be an unpleasant or scary experience.

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