I need proof Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon.

[Zombie Ixi]

By definition it IS. Maybe America doesn't agree with Kuro being both an anime AND a cartoon but that doesn't change the fact that it is. It's not a debate its a fact. If something is drawn, colored and animated, it can be classed as a cartoon, no matter what it looks like or where it came from. Period. I wouldn't think I need proof of this but Im getting really pissed at the people who wanna ignore the facts and say that it is not.

[GameGeeks]

By definition it IS. Maybe America doesn't agree with Kuro being both an anime AND a cartoon but that doesn't change the fact that it is. It's not a debate its a fact. If something is drawn, colored and animated, it can be classed as a cartoon, no matter what it looks like or where it came from. Period. I wouldn't think I need proof of this but Im getting really pissed at the people who wanna ignore the facts and say that it is not.

Wait, if you don't have proof how can you go claiming it's fact? That makes zero sense. Even then it's still your opinion. It'll never be fact. Others are also allowed to have their own opinions and say it's whatever they want.

[Zombie Ixi]

Wait, if you don't have proof how can you go claiming it's fact? That makes zero sense. Even then it's still your opinion. It'll never be fact. Others are also allowed to have their own opinions and say it's whatever they want.

Not a fact? REALLY? Then I suppose the fact that Kuro is DRAWN, COLORED, and ANIMATED doesnt make one who says different sound like an idiot? All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Thisbe a fact and not up for debate.

[星らぶ]

Not a fact? REALLY? Then I suppose the fact that Kuro is DRAWN, COLORED, and ANIMATED doesnt make one who says different sound like an idiot? All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Thisbe a fact and not up for debate.

actually by definition alone
cartoon is not animated
animation though IS animated drawn and coloured pictures therefore the umbrella term here is animation and not cartoon
further more anime is short for animation but also has become a word recognized by English language to refer ONLY to the Japanese style of animation

here the definitions from Oxford Dictionary of English
Animation
Cartoon
Anime

[Albear]

Not a fact? REALLY? Then I suppose the fact that Kuro is DRAWN, COLORED, and ANIMATED doesnt make one who says different sound like an idiot? All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Thisbe a fact and not up for debate.

Then by that logic, you don't need the proof you are asking for. I too, believe that if someone calls an anime series a cartoon, he or she is somewhat right.
Cartoons, like you said, can be animated to move across the screen. That is pretty much all anime as most are adaptations of manga.. Which are basically Japanese cartoons. Shunning people for ”degrading” anime by calling it cartoons is an elitist mentality.

[GameGeeks]

Not a fact? REALLY? Then I suppose the fact that Kuro is DRAWN, COLORED, and ANIMATED doesnt make one who says different sound like an idiot? All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Thisbe a fact and not up for debate.

[Zombie Ixi]

Are you implying you already KNEW Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon and I just wasted my breath and font? Anyway I'm sealing my own web domain called fsciencefastianbargainsarereal.web.com Not kidding with that one. I want my own real contract seal.

[GameGeeks]

Are you implying you already KNEW Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon and I just wasted my breath and font? Anyway I'm sealing my own web domain called fsciencefastianbargainsarereal.web.com Not kidding with that one. I want my own real contract seal.

[Ωmega]

.......the point of this thread.....I cant find it

[Ωmega]

Geeze, calm down Clayton Jr.

[Ωmega]

[Zombie Ixi]

I can't believe I wasted good font on something every Kuro fan ( except for weebs) knows. * face hoof*

[GameGeeks]

I can't believe I wasted good font on something every Kuro fan ( except for weebs) knows. * face hoof*

[Anime Forum]

Why are you spazzing out o_o ........? Calm down and go watch some anime.

[Zainox]

It's exactly as @星らぶ said.
Cartoon is usually the term for western animation.
Anime is used for Japanese animation.
They were just terms used for different types and regions of animation. Yes, they are all animation. But the categories given
(cartoon/anime) separates them.
So, if someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong. An animation? Yes.
If someone says Avatar the last Airbender is an anime, they are wrong. Even though it was animated in Korea, it's still technically a cartoon.

Weather you wish to except these facts are up too you.

On a different note, welcome to the forum!
*throws welcoming confetti*

Did some Googling. Apparently the term cartoon and anime both stand for all terms of animation in their own regions. So technically you could use them both for all animation. But through time, they have been defined by people.

~Source~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon

[Zombie Ixi]

It's exactly as @星らぶ said.
Cartoon is usually the term for western animation.
Anime is used for Japanese animation.
They were just terms used for different types and regions of animation. Yes, they are all animation. But the categories given
(cartoon/anime) separates them.
So, if someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong. An animation? Yes.
If someone says Avatar the last Airbender is an anime, they are wrong. Even though it was animated in Korea, it's still technically a cartoon.

Weather you wish to except these facts are up too you.



On a different note, welcome to the forum!
*throws welcoming confetti*

Did some Googling. Apparently the term cartoon and anime both stand for all terms of

animation in their own regions. So technically you could use them both for all animation. But through time, they have been defined by people.

~Source~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon

That is so ridiculous. I will now mock it to show you how flimsy that is. ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon. The saying that the term " Cartoon " can only mean Western animation is more otaku scare tactics and the fact taht you really said that BS means you are just parroting the drivel.

I also see your source is Wikipedia. You need a new link. Here try this one.


http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=596803

Also, it says many times that " All anime ARE cartoons but not all cartoons are anime" this is not debateable, it is a proven fact. Also, the fact that Kuroshitsuji ( and all anime really) is drawn, colored and animated makes anybody that says different sound like an idiot.

Also note that one smart poster said " Although anime and WESTERN animation is different, it is NOT false to say they are BOTH cartoons. Fact.

All your ridiculous arguments are flawed. I really didnt think I would have to add that part about how Kuroshitsuji DOES count as an animated cartoon but for people like you I see I should have!

[Zainox]

You realize you can have a perfectly fine discussion without being apprehensive, right?

ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon

Isn't this what I said in my previous post? I also posted links to the wiki proving this.

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=596803

This is a forum board full of opinions. How is this any better than a wiki?

Also, it says many times that " All anime ARE cartoons but not all cartoons are anime" this is not debateable, it is a proven fact.

Did you read the wiki I linked. In there it states that anime and cartoons can be represented for all animations.
Quoted from the wiki:
Anime -"The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese. In Japanese, the term references all animation"
Cartoon - "Because of the stylistic similarities between comic strips and early animated movies, "cartoon" came to refer to animation, and the word "cartoon" is currently used to refer to both animated cartoons and gag cartoons"

[Zombie Ixi]

You realize you can have a perfectly fine discussion without being apprehensive, right?


Isn't this what I said in my previous post? I also posted links to the wiki proving this.


This is a forum board full of opinions. How is this any better than a wiki?



Did you read the wiki I linked. In there it states that anime and cartoons can be represented for all animations.
Quoted from the wiki:
Anime -"The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese. In Japanese, the term references all animation"
Cartoon - "Because of the stylistic similarities between comic strips and early animated movies, "cartoon" came to refer to animation, and the word "cartoon" is currently used to refer to both animated cartoons and gag cartoons"

YOU said " If someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong" Now you're contradicting yourself by saying ALL animation can be considered a cartoon. This includes Kuro does it not? You also stated that Kuroshitsuji can't be classed as an animated cartoon because it is Japanese animation and not American animation. That's as asinine as " White tigers can't be classed as tigers because they are white, not orange" and I told you to actually read the definition of an animated cartoon and realize its laughable to claim Kuro ( or Kuroshitsuji ll for that matter) is not.

[Ωmega]

YOU said " If someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong" Now you're contradicting yourself by saying ALL animation can be considered a cartoon. This includes Kuro does it not? You also stated that Kuroshitsuji can't be classed as an animated cartoon because it is Japanese animation and not American animation. That's as asinine as " White tigers can't be classed as tigers because they are white, not orange" and I told you to actually read the definition of an animated cartoon and realize its laughable to claim Kuro ( or Kuroshitsuji ll for that matter) is not.

Quote/link or it didnt happen. Rules of the internet

[Zainox]

YOU said " If someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong" Now you're contradicting yourself by saying ALL animation can be considered a cartoon. This includes Kuro does it not?

Yeah, that's true. I didn't want to edit my post, so I added what I found after I went Googling. I tried breaking it up with the big space. :P

You also stated that Kuroshitsuji can't be classed as an animated cartoon because it is Japanese animation and not American animation. That's as asinine as " White tigers can't be classed as tigers because they are white, not orange" and I told you to actually read the definition of an animated cartoon and realize its laughable to claim Kuro ( or Kuroshitsuji ll for that matter) is not.

What I'm trying to say is. By definition, all animation can be named either an anime or a cartoon (anime of course being the shortened, Japanese word for animation). But by the majority of the people anime is now defined to Japanese animation alone. You won't find that in no wiki or dictionary because it isn't official. If you are arguing technicality, yes anime can be defined as a cartoon and vise versa. If you are to argue it on a forum with people, most will say anime and cartoons are two different things. Because people have defined it other wise.

[Ωmega]

[wolfgirl90]

All your ridiculous arguments are flawed. I really didnt think I would have to add that part about how Kuroshitsuji DOES count as an animated cartoon but for people like you I see I should have!

You need to take a chill pill. I'm not even joking.



If we want to talk about the literal definitions of words, we can end the thread with this:

Animation = Anime = Cartoon

These things are one and the same. There is no distinction between them. That's it. The end. Go eat a cookie.

However, CULTURALLY, there is a distinction. In the West, the word "cartoon" is generally used for Western animation, while "anime" is used for Japanese animation, just as "manhua" is used for Chinese animation and "manhwa" is used for Korean animation (although "manhua" and "manhwa" are used to for comics from their respective countries, the word is also used for their animated shows as well, to keep things simple).

It should be known that this distinction is made along the lines of where the franchise originated, not where the animation was actually done. For example, The Simpsons and Hey Arnold! are called "cartoons" even though every episode from each series was animated in South Korea. And despite the fact that the Japanese would call Spongebob and The Legend of Korra "anime", these shows aren't called that in the West since they were made in America (well, some people call Korra an anime, but that is a separate discussion). In fact, I usually make the argument that most people come to the Anime Forum with the intention of discussing Japanese cartoons, not ALL cartoons, despite the Japanese definition of the word "anime".

[Zombie Ixi]

You need to take a chill pill. I'm not even joking.



If we want to talk about the literal definitions of words, we can end the thread with this:

Animation = Anime = Cartoon

These things are one and the same. There is no distinction between them. That's it. The end. Go eat a cookie.

However, CULTURALLY, there is a distinction. In the West, the word "cartoon" is generally used for Western animation, while "anime" is used for Japanese animation, just as "manhua" is used for Chinese animation and "manhwa" is used for Korean animation (although "manhua" and "manhwa" are used to for comics from their respective countries, the word is also used for their animated shows as well, to keep things simple).

It should be known that this distinction is made along the lines of where the franchise originated, not where the animation was actually done. For example, The Simpsons and Hey Arnold! are called "cartoons" even though every episode from each series was animated in South Korea. And despite the fact that the Japanese would call Spongebob and The Legend of Korra "anime", these shows aren't called that in the West since they were made in America (well, some people call Korra an anime, but that is a separate discussion). In fact, I usually make the argument that most people come to the Anime Forum with the intention of discussing Japanese cartoons, not ALL cartoons, despite the Japanese definition of the word "anime".

Thanks for providing suitable proof that Kuroshitsuji is an anime AND a cartoon. Little does Zainox know by the definition of an animated cartoon, its laughable to claim Kuro ( or any other anime) is not.

[GameGeeks]

That is so ridiculous. I will now mock it to show you how flimsy that is. ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon. The saying that the term " Cartoon " can only mean Western animation is more otaku scare tactics and the fact taht you really said that BS means you are just parroting the drivel.

I also see your source is Wikipedia. You need a new link. Here try this one.


http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=596803

Also, it says many times that " All anime ARE cartoons but not all cartoons are anime" this is not debateable, it is a proven fact. Also, the fact that Kuroshitsuji ( and all anime really) is drawn, colored and animated makes anybody that says different sound like an idiot.

Also note that one smart poster said " Although anime and WESTERN animation is different, it is NOT false to say they are BOTH cartoons. Fact.

All your ridiculous arguments are flawed. I really didnt think I would have to add that part about how Kuroshitsuji DOES count as an animated cartoon but for people like you I see I should have!

Thanks for providing suitable proof that Kuroshitsuji is an anime AND a cartoon. Little does Zainox know by the definition of an animated cartoon, its laughable to claim Kuro ( or any other anime) is not.

[Zombie Ixi]

GameGeeks why do you insist Im a derp? Are you just obsessed with Derp memes? Are you calling me a derp because I stated the blatantly obvious state,dnt of Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon? Did you really think I or anyone else didnt know that? How long did it take you guys to figure out Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon? My guess is like, 5 seconds