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    What do you think about the NSA spying programs recently revealed? Are they necessary to protect us from terrorists? Or are they just one more overreach by big government?

    Also what do you think of Snowden for revealing these programs? Is he a hero, or a traitor?

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    Kinect.

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    Default Re: NSA spying!

    To be honest if you have nothing to hide then I don't see a problem because when we go outside we are in the public eye, the internet is the same thing in a way except its in the virtual world and not the physical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aether View Post
    To be honest if you have nothing to hide then I don't see a problem because when we go outside we are in the public eye, the internet is the same thing in a way except its in the virtual world and not the physical.
    The problem with mass surveillance is that people inevitably start censoring themselves, for fear that their perfectly legal opinions will be used against them at some point in the future. A culture of self-censorship is extremely detrimental to democracy.

    I'm not just pulling this out of where the sun doesn't shine; this cultural shift has been observed pretty much happened everywhere large scale surveillance has been implemented, including the DDR, and China.



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    I value my privacy, but then again I don't exactly care because I have nothing to hide.

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    I dislike it on principle, and hope that someone FORCES the NSA to stop this crap.

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    Well, it's not like I like being spied on...good thing I have nothing to hide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TadashiED View Post
    Well, it's not like I like being spied on...good thing I have nothing to hide.
    I disagree, there's always something to hide. People are naturally judgmental. The opportunities you have in life will likely be granted and/or decided by your peers. Your personal preferences, religious affiliation, political affiliation, opinions, sexual orientation, personal life, etc ... can all play a role in such critical matters.

    The most common example are job opportunities. For example, if you just so happen to publicly disclose your political affiliation, and your hiring manager opposes your political ideology, you may be turned down (obviously for other reasons).

    That's why you should always protect your privacy. Your peers are judging you whether you like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nslay View Post
    I disagree, there's always something to hide. People are naturally judgmental. The opportunities you have in life will likely be granted and/or decided by your peers. Your personal preferences, religious affiliation, political affiliation, opinions, sexual orientation, personal life, etc ... can all play a role in such critical matters.

    The most common example are job opportunities. For example, if you just so happen to publicly disclose your political affiliation, and your hiring manager opposes your political ideology, you may be turned down (obviously for other reasons).

    That's why you should always protect your privacy. Your peers are judging you whether you like it or not.
    You got that right. You hit that Nail right on the Head. I have plenty to hide, but I want to protect my Neighbours too. I do not want their Privacy violated. EVERYONE has SOMETHING to hide. No one is totally Guilt-free. In the Government's Eyes, the People are the Enemy according to Osama ... I mean Obama ... oh, wait; which is which again? I cannot tell anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RainyDayMan View Post
    You got that right. You hit that Nail right on the Head. I have plenty to hide, but I want to protect my Neighbours too. I do not want their Privacy violated. EVERYONE has SOMETHING to hide. No one is totally Guilt-free. In the Government's Eyes, the People are the Enemy according to Osama ... I mean Obama ... oh, wait; which is which again? I cannot tell anymore.
    You realize Obama didnt create the NSA, right? That its been around since the 50s and was established under Truman?? Of course you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animedude5555 View Post
    What do you think about the NSA spying programs recently revealed? Are they necessary to protect us from terrorists? Or are they just one more overreach by big government?

    Also what do you think of Snowden for revealing these programs? Is he a hero, or a traitor?
    I made a similar thread like this a while back and practically gave my opinion of NSA and Snowden from there, so I'll just give you the link to that from here.

    Aside from that, good luck with your thread--I hope it gains more momentum than mine did.

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    Default Re: NSA spying!

    either way, espionage is cool...

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    Default Re: NSA spying!

    I disagree with you guys. Privacy is important. The government doesn't have any right to infringe upon my privacy whenever they like. The NSA spying programs is clearly unconstitutional, and should be dismantled.

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    Default Re: NSA spying!

    Why does President Obama Hussein have his College Records, Selective Service Records, and his Records of Education and Travel before public Office sealed? What is he hiding? The N.S.A. should be spying on him.

    Congratulations to Snowden. I hope he finds HIS Privacy.
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    @Eris
    Fair enough, makes sense I suppose but it might help find people who groom children online and get them arrested before anything serious happens.

    @RainyDayMan
    Why does he have to show them in the first place?
    Why do so many Americans seem to think Obama has something to hide? I don't get it

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    Default Re: NSA spying!

    Quote Originally Posted by aether View Post
    @Eris
    Fair enough, makes sense I suppose but it might help find people who groom children online and get them arrested before anything serious happens.

    @RainyDayMan
    Why does he have to show them in the first place?
    Why do so many Americans seem to think Obama has something to hide? I don't get it
    You haven't not been around for the past 12 years, have you? If you like Obama so much, why don't you take him, Bush and the NSA and marry them!?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by DOOM! View Post
    You haven't not been around for the past 12 years, have you? If you like Obama so much, why don't you take him, Bush and the NSA and marry them!?!
    In all fairness Bush didn't really help the US on the international stage and at least Obama has tried to bring in universal free healthcare for everyone which helps to close the gap between the wealthy and the poor within society. Also the universal healthcare won't put people into so called 'death doctors' as I have often heard of when people have been interviewed on tv. Overall I think Obama has focused has realised that America isn't what it used to be and is started to change it so that it can survive within the modern world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aether View Post
    In all fairness Bush didn't really help the US on the international stage and at least Obama has tried to bring in universal free healthcare for everyone which helps to close the gap between the wealthy and the poor within society. Also the universal healthcare won't put people into so called 'death doctors' as I have often heard of when people have been interviewed on tv. Overall I think Obama has focused has realised that America isn't what it used to be and is started to change it so that it can survive within the modern world.
    He's just taking written sheets from demofags, sends them to his Masters for approval and makes a huge campaign about how he wants to aprove them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DOOM! View Post
    He's just taking written sheets from demofags, sends them to his Masters for approval and makes a huge campaign about how he wants to aprove them.
    But politics is all about having yes men and the like. The only real effective form of government is when the elected government assumes 100% control

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    Until I'm allowed to spank my monkey in public without getting arrested, I have something to hide.

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    Universal Health Coverage? It makes the rich poor and the poor poorer. My medical Costs have gone up, no one is taking Medicaid anymore, and the Anesthesiologists keep harassing me because my Colonoscopies and Esophagogastroduodenoscopies are no longer covered. And I wish someone would explain to me why my Pharmaceuticals are all more expensive. I cannot even find Specialists like a Rheumatologist for my Gout and Arthritis that accepts Medicare which is being raped by the Government who keep taking Money out of it to fund Obamacare. Since he took over, I have been in trouble financially with my medical Costs.

    Being on Medicare and Medicaid sucks. Fewer and fewer Specialists are taking it, and big Corporations would rather pay the cheaper Fine of not giving medical Coverage to their Employees than actually giving them medical Coverage which is more expensive. Under Obamacare, the Law makes it easier for Employers to pay Fines than medically covering their Employees. Now they are forcing Workers and Labourers into permanent part-time Jobs to opt out of giving them medical Coverage. It happened at a Plastics Plant I worked at where my Hours were cut permanently and medical Coverage was cut before I was determined permanently disabled.

    Everyone is getting the Shaft, even Government Workers who are facing Furloughs without a Choice. One of my Friends lost her Job with the Department of Defence that Way. She just recently got a different Job in Virginia a few Weeks ago and had to move.

    It is a sad State of Affairs. As for Bush being bad for foreign Relations, he might have been a Dummy from liberal Harvard/rich Boy, but he stood up to the Terrorists and let the Globe know we were going to defend ourselves from Terrorism and Nation-States that sponsored Terrorism. Obama Hussein is backing a leftist Group of anti-Government Radicals in the Syrian Arab Republic with Ties to anti-Semitic and anti-American Groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda in their civil War against the Bashar Assad Government *of* the Syrian Arab Republic .... and it is not a Republic; they just call it one.

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    Who created the N.S.A. is irrelevant. What they are doing under the current Administration is what we are talking about. Why should we live in Fear every Day of our Lives worried about every Communiqué we make to anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainyDayMan View Post
    Universal Health Coverage? It makes the rich poor and the poor poorer. My medical Costs have gone up, no one is taking Medicaid anymore, and the Anesthesiologists keep harassing me because my Colonoscopies and Esophagogastroduodenoscopies are no longer covered. And I wish someone would explain to me why my Pharmaceuticals are all more expensive. I cannot even find Specialists like a Rheumatologist for my Gout and Arthritis that accepts Medicare which is being raped by the Government who keep taking Money out of it to fund Obamacare. Since he took over, I have been in trouble financially with my medical Costs.

    Being on Medicare and Medicaid sucks. Fewer and fewer Specialists are taking it, and big Corporations would rather pay the cheaper Fine of not giving medical Coverage to their Employees than actually giving them medical Coverage which is more expensive. Under Obamacare, the Law makes it easier for Employers to pay Fines than medically covering their Employees. Now they are forcing Workers and Labourers into permanent part-time Jobs to opt out of giving them medical Coverage. It happened at a Plastics Plant I worked at where my Hours were cut permanently and medical Coverage was cut before I was determined permanently disabled.

    Everyone is getting the Shaft, even Government Workers who are facing Furloughs without a Choice. One of my Friends lost her Job with the Department of Defence that Way. She just recently got a different Job in Virginia a few Weeks ago and had to move.

    It is a sad State of Affairs. As for Bush being bad for foreign Relations, he might have been a Dummy from liberal Harvard/rich Boy, but he stood up to the Terrorists and let the Globe know we were going to defend ourselves from Terrorism and Nation-States that sponsored Terrorism. Obama Hussein is backing a leftist Group of anti-Government Radicals in the Syrian Arab Republic with Ties to anti-Semitic and anti-American Groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda in their civil War against the Bashar Assad Government *of* the Syrian Arab Republic .... and it is not a Republic; they just call it one.

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    Who created the N.S.A. is irrelevant. What they are doing under the current Administration is what we are talking about. Why should we live in Fear every Day of our Lives worried about every Communiqué we make to anyone?
    This whole rant has *nothing* to do about the NSA. And nothing has changed with the NSA. Theyve been tapping our phones even during Bush and Clinton, and Im sure before that.

    You obviously have a gripe with Obama, which OBVIOUSLY give everything you say a huge prejudice. Just because you didnt know it was happening before Obama didnt mean it wasnt happening.

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