The old Argument: What defines what anime is?

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No, because its Studio Ghibli. Unless hes *directing* it it really doesnt matter.

That's kind of what I'm talking about. If a westerner got a job as a director with a Japanese animation studio?

How much western influence needs to be in the Anime before it's not Anime anymore?

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Not to sound rude, but is still a debate? Disney movies aren't anime, no matter what any Japanese person said. I want an official source that backs up claims of these shows being anime from here on out. Anything else is fodder.

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Jesus. Seriously people, google anime

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...icon.php?id=45
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anime
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anime
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anime
http://www.internetslang.com/ANIME-m...definition.asp
http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/def..._english/anime

What do they ALL have in common??
noun
a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children. Compare with manga.
Origin:

1980s: Japanese, shortened from animēshon, based on English animation

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Not to sound rude, but is still a debate? Disney movies aren't anime, no matter what any Japanese person said. I want an official source that backs up claims of these shows being anime from here on out. Anything else is fodder.

Sure why not? More debatable than other things that get debated on the internet over and over again.... It's a term. It doesn't really matter what is and isn't Anime. I don't dislike something because it is or isn't Anime and neither should anyone else. If I can annoying someone by continuing on then why not?

Jesus. Seriously people, google anime

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1980s: Japanese, shortened from animēshon, based on English animation

Which makes it seem like in Japan... Anything animated regardless of where it's from is "Anime".

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Sure why not? More debatable than other things that get debated on the internet over and over again.... It's a term. It doesn't really matter what is and isn't Anime. I don't dislike something because it is or isn't Anime and neither should anyone else. If I can annoying someone by continuing on then why not?


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Which makes it seem like in Japan... Anything animated regardless of where it's from is "Anime".

No. Read it again. Read -all- the definitions again. In Japan, they call cartoons anime, short for animēshon, which they did based on American cartoons. Which destroys Claytons argument that -we- copy theyre style when they apparently started by copying us.

IE- Cartoons in Japan. Cartoons were big in America, so they made cartoons too. They didnt call it cartoons, their shows are anime.

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[Anime Forum]

Sure why not? More debatable than other things that get debated on the internet over and over again.... It's a term. It doesn't really matter what is and isn't Anime. I don't dislike something because it is or isn't Anime and neither should anyone else. If I can annoying someone by continuing on then why not?


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Why do people keep saying that lol? Calling something not anime isn't an attack, just the facts. Lol, no one is getting annoyed. I'm just in awe of people that join an anime forum and don't even bother doing research before posting.

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Why do people keep saying that lol? Calling something not anime isn't an attack, just the facts. Lol, no one is getting annoyed. I'm just in awe of people that join an anime forum and don't even bother doing research before posting.

You missed my bad buzzed/drunken grammar

If I can annoying someone by continuing on then why not?

Yeah...


Omega posted links for me.

[Anime Forum]

You missed my bad buzzed/drunken grammar

Yeah...


Omega posted links for me.

Saw that, but decided to not mention it lol. xD

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Links, I haz dem

[MistaCloudStrife]

Lol. Anime has almost always been defined as Japanese Animation. So it's an animation(cartoon) made in Japan. And it's true that they basically copied the US' comics and cartoons in Japan and made manga and anime. (Even though some people will say that they're based on old Japanese scrolls, that's just BS) And although that may be true, it's also true that they went a different direction and at some point some studios over in the US did adapt some comics and cartoons to be more like manga and anime.

It's a give and take sort of deal. Fact is, though, manga and anime were made possible because of influence of American comics and cartoons. Without the old school comics in the US, manga may not even exist. This in turn would heavily affect anime as well.

Either way, a US cartoon can't be an anime and an anime can't be a US cartoon. Now a US cartoon can have an anime adaptation and vice versa, but if that isn't the case, then just call them what they're supposed to be. You don't call a Ford made in the USA, a Japanese import, no matter how small and economical-friendly it may be. Just saying.

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Lol. Anime has almost always been defined as Japanese Animation. So it's an animation(cartoon) made in Japan. And it's true that they basically copied the US' comics and cartoons in Japan and made manga and anime. (Even though some people will say that they're based on old Japanese scrolls, that's just BS) And although that may be true, it's also true that they went a different direction and at some point some studios over in the US did adapt some comics and cartoons to be more like manga and anime.

It's a give and take sort of deal. Fact is, though, manga and anime were made possible because of influence of American comics and cartoons. Without the old school comics in the US, manga may not even exist. This in turn would heavily affect anime as well.

Either way, a US cartoon can't be an anime and an anime can't be a US cartoon. Now a US cartoon can have an anime adaptation and vice versa, but if that isn't the case, then just call them what they're supposed to be. You don't call a Ford made in the USA, a Japanese import, no matter how small and economical-friendly it may be. Just saying.

omg youre alive

[Anime Forum]

Lol. Anime has almost always been defined as Japanese Animation. So it's an animation(cartoon) made in Japan. And it's true that they basically copied the US' comics and cartoons in Japan and made manga and anime. (Even though some people will say that they're based on old Japanese scrolls, that's just BS) And although that may be true, it's also true that they went a different direction and at some point some studios over in the US did adapt some comics and cartoons to be more like manga and anime.

It's a give and take sort of deal. Fact is, though, manga and anime were made possible because of influence of American comics and cartoons. Without the old school comics in the US, manga may not even exist. This in turn would heavily affect anime as well.

Either way, a US cartoon can't be an anime and an anime can't be a US cartoon. Now a US cartoon can have an anime adaptation and vice versa, but if that isn't the case, then just call them what they're supposed to be. You don't call a Ford made in the USA, a Japanese import, no matter how small and economical-friendly it may be. Just saying.

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[Clayton_n]

I'm just saying anime doesn't have to be made in Japan or by Japanese people ya freakin' nazis. It's a style of cartoon. In Japan all animation is called anime.

As for the live action, Kill Bill did have animated parts in it, CGI counts as animation, and even in the Transformers movie part of the line goes "It's a giant robot... I think it's Japanese."

She was Atlantian. Most people peg Atlantis to have been around places like: Egypt, Greece, Italy, etc.

How about the Lion King? If they'd been human... and not ripped off of an anime...

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I'm just saying anime doesn't have to be made in Japan or by Japanese people ya freakin' nazis. It's a style of cartoon. In Japan all animation is called anime.

As for the live action, Kill Bill did have animated parts in it, CGI counts as animation, and even in the Transformers movie part of the line goes "It's a giant robot... I think it's Japanese."






How about the Lion King? If they'd been human... and not ripped off of an anime...

And Im just saying that anime is based on -our- cartoons, not vice versa. Once again, you are the -only- person who thinks practically everything is anime when you look at *any* definition as to what anime is it says its FROM [gasp] JAPAN!!

[Clayton_n]

No! I know there's a difference. It's a style though, not where it's made or by whom. The big eyes, the martial arts, the multi-colored gravity defying hair... most CGI films these days for example are done in the anime style. Country of origin and who makes it are irrelevant as long as it looks like anime and has the basic... feel.

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"Big eyes" was started by Disney. Its not the "anime" look, its the DISNEY look.

[Clayton_n]

*Evil Grin* I know.

Also keep in mind that the last four Miyazaki films were based on The Borrowers, Wizard of Earthsea, The Little Mermaid, and Howl's Moving Castle.

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So then your argument that -our- movies/cartoons/etc are "anime" because they have big eyes is crap. Its all a Disney knock off, not anime.

Congrats, you just proved yourself wrong.

[Clayton_n]

No, I'm just agreeing with you that the style did not even originate in Japan... in fact didn't Americans invent cartoons in the first place? Like how we made cars and then the Japanese just made them better. Now we do it the same way.


Your argument seems to be that only one race on the planet and one tiny island on the planet is capable of producing anime... which is similar to the Nazi's feelings on Aryans.

I'm fairly certain Justice League was made almost entirely in Korea for example. So are the Simpsons...

I'm saying that it's a style. Call it anime, call it BESM, I don't care, but it's not about where the crap comes from it's about what they can do with it.

Plus Disney buys most of it these days anyway.


It's all about the way it's done, not who does it.

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Then if its about the -way- it done, its done in the Disney way. End of discussion

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No, I'm just agreeing with you that the style did not even originate in Japan... in fact didn't Americans invent cartoons in the first place? Like how we made cars and then the Japanese just made them better. Now we do it the same way.


Your argument seems to be that only one race on the planet and one tiny island on the planet is capable of producing anime... which is similar to the Nazi's feelings on Aryans.

I'm fairly certain Justice League was made almost entirely in Korea for example. So are the Simpsons...

I'm saying that it's a style. Call it anime, call it BESM, I don't care, but it's not about where the crap comes from it's about what they can do with it.

Plus Disney buys most of it these days anyway.


It's all about the way it's done, not who does it.

American Animation told me to post this about you:

[Clayton_n]

Then if its about the -way- it done, its done in the Disney way. End of discussion

I can agree to that.

[DeadmanWonderland]

Just like I don't consider anime to be a cartoon. Anime is like any TV series, but drawn. Main distinction, anime series have a plot that continues into the next episodes, as for cartoons, they're completely random.

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Just like I don't consider anime to be a cartoon. Anime is like any TV series, but drawn. Main distinction, anime series have a plot that continues into the next episodes, as for cartoons, they're completely random.

That isn't always true. Look at Total Drama Island, it is not Japan made and that has a story that is ongoing. Plus, anime are cartoons. Cartoon isn't a term only dedicated to one region or country, rather just what animation is. Anime is a cartoon, made in and written by Japanese.

[DeadmanWonderland]

That isn't always true. Look at Total Drama Island, it is not Japan made and that has a story that is ongoing. Plus, anime are cartoons. Cartoon isn't a term only dedicated to one region or country, rather just what animation is. Anime is a cartoon, made in and written by Japanese.

True, some cartoons continue their story in the next episodes. Your saying anime is only from Japan though? New to me.