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    Default 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    What would you like to do to the people who edit shows for 4Kids TV?

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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    While they've done their fair share of ruining other shows, One Piece is something I simply can't forgive them for. They made it look like a little kids' show and I'm convinced they're the reason no one takes it seriously in America.

    Spoilers for Nami backstory arc:

    In the original version, Nami's mom is killed by some classic antagonist character, and, after exacting revenge, Luffy and the gang sail off.

    In the 4KIDS version, Nami's mom is imprisoned by said antagonist, but, after the crew defeats him, they sail off- seemingly abandoning Nami's mom in prison for eternity.

    There are so many things that they did to that show that make me rage hard that I don't even wanna get started. Water to win, cigarette to lolipop (or simply nothing at all), great voice with "oh my god what am I watching" voice, guns with pop-guns (or, I kid you not, hammers on springs), etc.
    Just.....man. SO much wasted potential. The guy who bought the licence is grossly irresponsible.

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    I think they did there job, it's eddited for KIDS. What's the problem?
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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer Oak View Post
    I think they did there job, it's eddited for KIDS. What's the problem?
    But One Piece isn't meant specifically for kids. It's an all-age-groups sort of show. They changed story arcs, removed some completely, or put them in different places in the story. They censored and cut 147 episodes down to 104 episodes before FUNimation took over. But by that it was too late to salvage One Piece's image in the US, and FUNi has had a hard time trying to get the anime to take off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gjallarhorn View Post
    But One Piece isn't meant specifically for kids. It's an all-age-groups sort of show. They changed story arcs, removed some completely, or put them in different places in the story. They censored and cut 147 episodes down to 104 episodes before FUNimation took over. But by that it was too late to salvage One Piece's image in the US, and FUNi has had a hard time trying to get the anime to take off.
    Ah ok, so it's more about them giving bad rep to animes in the US? I can understand that bit.
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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    Hmm.. well...

    Pokémon censorships:

     
    For the majority of the first few seasons they dub onigiri (or rice balls) as "jelly filled donuts".
     


    Later on, seems to ditch onigiri completely and replaces it with random western food. Like subway sandwiches.
     


    Considered Jynx an offensive stereotype because of her black skin and big lips, and kept her appearances in the dub very limited, even going so far as to ban a complete episode in which she was a main character. Finally even got the Nintendo games to permanently make her sprite purple. This change also occurred in the anime after a while.
     


    Oh wait my bad.

    Comparison.


    There are plenty more, such as banning an episode with guns and replacing the word "bomb" with "blaster balls". I could go on for a while.


    One Piece censorships:

     
    Again, issues with black stereotypes; they lightened a character's skin tone so that it wouldn't "offend" American viewers.
     


    Replaced Sanji's cigarette with a lolipop (so badass).
     


    Replaced guns with toy hammers or cork guns.
     




    And then just for lols,
     


    For some reason decides to change all "Marine" labels to "Navy" instead.
     


    I haven't watched the 4kids dub, so I'm pretty sure there are plenty more out there.


    Yu-Gi-Oh! censorships:

     
    Covered up Yami Yugi's bare chest in an episode.
     


    Again, guns are a no-no! Let's just point our fingers accusingly! That'll show em!
     




    Again I haven't watched anything past the first few seasons, so I'm sure there are more. That and the original Duelist manga is much, MUCH better. So, yeah.


    Not to mention the edits on DBZ Kai, Shaman King, etc. The list goes on for a ridiculously long time. Zero guns, zero blood, zero black people. Purty much. Oh and zero Japanese influence, from where the shows were originally made.



    ...I think my opinion on 4kids is pretty clear at this point. That will be all.


     
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    Is 4kids still in business or have they stopped ruining animes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des View Post
    Is 4kids still in business or have they stopped ruining animes?
    They're still going though their profits aren't what they used to be and have lost licensing rights to some animes. They'd even had a de-listing warning by NYSE due to low capitalization. Needless to say, unless things have greatly changed in the last few years for them they're just hanging on.

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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    Hmm.. well...

    Pokémon censorships:

     
    For the majority of the first few seasons they dub onigiri (or rice balls) as "jelly filled donuts".
     


    Later on, seems to ditch onigiri completely and replaces it with random western food. Like subway sandwiches.
     


    Considered Jynx an offensive stereotype because of her black skin and big lips, and kept her appearances in the dub very limited, even going so far as to ban a complete episode in which she was a main character. Finally even got the Nintendo games to permanently make her sprite purple. This change also occurred in the anime after a while.
     


    Oh wait my bad.

    Comparison.


    There are plenty more, such as banning an episode with guns and replacing the word "bomb" with "blaster balls". I could go on for a while.


    One Piece censorships:

     
    Again, issues with black stereotypes; they lightened a character's skin tone so that it wouldn't "offend" American viewers.
     


    Replaced Sanji's cigarette with a lolipop (so badass).
     


    Replaced guns with toy hammers or cork guns.
     




    And then just for lols,
     


    For some reason decides to change all "Marine" labels to "Navy" instead.
     


    I haven't watched the 4kids dub, so I'm pretty sure there are plenty more out there.


    Yu-Gi-Oh! censorships:

     
    Covered up Yami Yugi's bare chest in an episode.
     


    Again, guns are a no-no! Let's just point our fingers accusingly! That'll show em!
     




    Again I haven't watched anything past the first few seasons, so I'm sure there are more. That and the original Duelist manga is much, MUCH better. So, yeah.


    Not to mention the edits on DBZ Kai, Shaman King, etc. The list goes on for a ridiculously long time. Zero guns, zero blood, zero black people. Purty much. Oh and zero Japanese influence, from where the shows were originally made.



    ...I think my opinion on 4kids is pretty clear at this point. That will be all.
    In regards to One Piece censorships, from my memory of watching the show as a child they also removed several instances of tattoos and they also had that Marine General or whatever rank he was have smoke coming out of his mouth rather than from the cigar he smokes.

    I've only seen the 4Kids version, this was back before I knew anime was even a thing.
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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    Yikes... i'd forgotten some of that.

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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    I blame 4Kids for most of the anime's shown on american TV. I mean, you've all seen the 4Kids dub of One Piece, right? They took out the blood, swearing, and they replace guns with water guns and machines with a giant boot on the end. It's pathetic...

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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    Indeed it is. No wonder so many people don't like anime these days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KeirebuTheWiseWolf View Post
    I blame 4Kids for most of the anime's shown on american TV. I mean, you've all seen the 4Kids dub of One Piece, right? They took out the blood, swearing, and they replace guns with water guns and machines with a giant boot on the end. It's pathetic...
    Don't forget the fact they replaced sanji's sigarete with a lolli pop and smokers cigars where just completely deleted lol.

    But do they really shoot with water guns ? O.o
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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    I think this sums it up "Dragonball Z Kai: Episode List"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Z_Kai_episodes



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    Default Re: 4Kids TV... how much do you hate them?

    Onepiece and a lot of other animes are NOT meant as "kiddy cartoons". They are way too violent for young children to watch. As such, I understand why these anime are edited on 4kids TV. 4kids TV is meant for kids, and that's it. If you are a "die hard anime fan", you will watch anime somewhere that is NOT meant as a venue for children's' cartoons. And if you are a kid wanting to get introduced to anime, you'll watch the kid-friendly versions on 4kids TV. It's as simple as that. I don't know why so many anime fans WANT to subject little kids to be forced watch the full ultra-violent imagery in the unedited version of Onepiece (and a lot of other anime). Is it just because most anime fans are cheepskates who want a legal free way to watch anime on TV (no cable/satellite, just free over the air TV on the station carrying 4kids TV), and with it censored they don't get the original version that they are looking for? You know if you are an anime fan wanting the unedited version you ARE going to have to pay MONEY! DUH! Buy the DVD from amazon.com or something. I have NO SYMPATHY for whining anime fans who complain all day about the censoring on 4kids TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forbuki View Post
    Don't forget the fact they replaced sanji's sigarete with a lolli pop and smokers cigars where just completely deleted lol.

    But do they really shoot with water guns ? O.o
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    Hmm.. well...

    Pokémon censorships:

     
    For the majority of the first few seasons they dub onigiri (or rice balls) as "jelly filled donuts".
     


    Later on, seems to ditch onigiri completely and replaces it with random western food. Like subway sandwiches.
     


    Considered Jynx an offensive stereotype because of her black skin and big lips, and kept her appearances in the dub very limited, even going so far as to ban a complete episode in which she was a main character. Finally even got the Nintendo games to permanently make her sprite purple. This change also occurred in the anime after a while.
     


    Oh wait my bad.

    Comparison.


    There are plenty more, such as banning an episode with guns and replacing the word "bomb" with "blaster balls". I could go on for a while.


    One Piece censorships:

     
    Again, issues with black stereotypes; they lightened a character's skin tone so that it wouldn't "offend" American viewers.
     


    Replaced Sanji's cigarette with a lolipop (so badass).
     


    Replaced guns with toy hammers or cork guns.
     




    And then just for lols,
     


    For some reason decides to change all "Marine" labels to "Navy" instead.
     


    I haven't watched the 4kids dub, so I'm pretty sure there are plenty more out there.


    Yu-Gi-Oh! censorships:

     
    Covered up Yami Yugi's bare chest in an episode.
     


    Again, guns are a no-no! Let's just point our fingers accusingly! That'll show em!
     




    Again I haven't watched anything past the first few seasons, so I'm sure there are more. That and the original Duelist manga is much, MUCH better. So, yeah.


    Not to mention the edits on DBZ Kai, Shaman King, etc. The list goes on for a ridiculously long time. Zero guns, zero blood, zero black people. Purty much. Oh and zero Japanese influence, from where the shows were originally made.



    ...I think my opinion on 4kids is pretty clear at this point. That will be all.
    ROFL! Look at this Jelly donut that totally looks like Onigiri rofl
    and a sandwich? really? lol

    That stuff wasn't even necessary to take out... lol


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    You don't understand the way it works. Most of these edits are NOT desired by the company, but rather REQUIRED by the FCC. let me explain how the system works.
    In the old days GI-Joe cartoons had pleanty of guns, and was fine for kids.Then in modern times, parents complained about violent cartoons, so a rating system for TV was devised by the MPAA (the same group that rated movies for a lot longer). Now instead of GI-Joe being rated TV-Y7 (the equivelant to its original intended age group), it is rated TV-PG (as well as any other cartoon that has guns I assume). The FCC has required that every TV station have a segment dedicated to children's shows (these carry a rating of either, TV-G TV-Y, or TV-Y7), as part of the TV station's plan that must be submitted to the FCC before they receive their license to transmit. In order to obtain at least a TV-Y7 rating most animes have to be edited. These edits will involve removing any guns, bombs, cigarets, alcohol, etc. If even one of these banned items are included (even if just once) in an episode, it will have to be censored, or else the episode must be entirely removed from the lineup. If this is not complied with, they'll be in LEGAL TROUBLE with the FCC.

    The other edits (like changing Japanese rice to Subway Sandwitches), is indeed a blatant money making scheme. You see they are afraid Americans don't understand Japanese culture enough to enjoy watching something that contains elements of Japanese culture. They fear this will reduce viewers of the show if they keep in the Japanese elements. Less viewers means less money. So if they can make $1,000,000 per week on a show with Japanese stuff left in, or $1,000,001 per week on a show with the Japanese stuff removed, they obviously will remove the Japanese stuff.

    Also lightening of the black man's skin is a FAIL edit. ANYONE can see he's just a light skinned black person after the edit. He's NOT WHITE! So if they were in fact trying to make him look white, they FAILED. Also that is a RACIST edit. It's like saying, we don't like black people, so we'll try to make all the black people look white. Proof that 4Kids TV is a bunch of racists. Again, EPIC FAIL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaAnimeFan View Post
    You don't understand the way it works. Most of these edits are NOT desired by the company, but rather REQUIRED by the FCC. let me explain how the system works.
    In the old days GI-Joe cartoons had pleanty of guns, and was fine for kids.Then in modern times, parents complained about violent cartoons, so a rating system for TV was devised by the MPAA (the same group that rated movies for a lot longer). Now instead of GI-Joe being rated TV-Y7 (the equivelant to its original intended age group), it is rated TV-PG (as well as any other cartoon that has guns I assume). The FCC has required that every TV station have a segment dedicated to children's shows (these carry a rating of either, TV-G TV-Y, or TV-Y7), as part of the TV station's plan that must be submitted to the FCC before they receive their license to transmit. In order to obtain at least a TV-Y7 rating most animes have to be edited. These edits will involve removing any guns, bombs, cigarets, alcohol, etc. If even one of these banned items are included (even if just once) in an episode, it will have to be censored, or else the episode must be entirely removed from the lineup. If this is not complied with, they'll be in LEGAL TROUBLE with the FCC.

    The other edits (like changing Japanese rice to Subway Sandwitches), is indeed a blatant money making scheme. You see they are afraid Americans don't understand Japanese culture enough to enjoy watching something that contains elements of Japanese culture. They fear this will reduce viewers of the show if they keep in the Japanese elements. Less viewers means less money. So if they can make $1,000,000 per week on a show with Japanese stuff left in, or $1,000,001 per week on a show with the Japanese stuff removed, they obviously will remove the Japanese stuff.
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    why is this even being discussed one piece has a dub by funimation.

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    They ruined Shaman King as well, they completely censored out any religious meaning the show had as well as censored out guns that were in it, swearing and other things, they turned Rens dad in the show into his UNCLE and did a whole bunch of other garbage.. I wish Funimation would pick Shaman King back up and do a proper dub because they only did like 2 episodes before FoxBox(same thing as 4 Kids) picked it up and ruined it..

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    Shaman King uncut vs cut

    Not to mention that they ripped this show to shreds when they did the dubbing, changed around most of the story, the plots and characters and the show made no sense sometimes, they couldn't even use the word "KILL" when they did the dubbing, the word kill was replaced with DESTROY.. DESTROY!! DESTROY ROBINSON FAMILY!! was used throughout half the show..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer Oak View Post
    I think they did there job, it's eddited for KIDS. What's the problem?
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    Editing anime is like changing the history which is extremely wrong.

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