vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

[darkrider21]

this is a book by ruby roth. this book shows animals in zoos,animals with soars on them in resurce labs and i heard people chasing animals with guns and meat hanging on hooks. now if thats not a way of trying to tramatize kids to become vegan then i dont know what is i would post pictures of the book but surprise surprise they are hard to find unless you are looking for the cover of her books veegin is love having a hear taking a stand or that's why we don't eat animals

[animeyay]

I in no way condone the vegans' desperate attempt to scare the public out of eating meat, but I don't see any problems with letting people read it. If they want to become vegan after reading it, then let them be. Who am I to tell them what to eat and what not to eat. All I know is I'll continue eating my dead animals happily. :P

[Thefringedninja]

Firstly I want to state that this is only my opinion and I accept everyones right to reject or agree with it.

I don't agree with ever showing children images which would traumatise or damage them during these delicate early years of development, however I feel that cruelty towards animals is often not broadcast in the media.
Children may walk past butchers in their local high street, but they are never actually informed to a great extent that an animal has had to give up its life in order to be hanging there.
It seems that the freedom of choice of many young people is taken away, due to the fact that they are not educated about this issue, but are instead forced to eat what people around them deem to be 'normal'.

I say this through experience, having being brought up in a family of meat eaters...I am the only vegetarian. When I was younger I was fed what my mother wanted to feed me and I was never asked if I wanted to eat meat or not. Meat was placed on the table and the fact that it was a living being never entered my mind. If I had been greater informed of how it had been treated I would've spat it straight out.

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Regarding the idea that animals should not be in captivity, I learnt this at a very young age and it hasn't traumatised me.
On a family holiday we went past a travelling circus and I can remember vividly a beautiful mountain loin in one of the smallest cages I've ever seen. It could hardly move.
After that incident, I dreamt of becoming an animal rights lawyer! Since then, I've changed my mind about my career, however I think it was important that I saw that at that age (about 8 years old) otherwise I would not have been able to fully appreciate the dark side of zoos.

[marvel_phoenix]

I have no problem with what people choose to and not to eat, that is their decision. But I don't want people trying to tell me what I should and shouldn't eat. I eat meat, and will continue to do so, as that much of it comes from sources that I can control. Quick, clean, and with as little suffering as possible.

[Kaleohano]

I loooove meat so much! Its always best when i kill the animal myself. One time i shot a little rabbit, but i only shot out its hind legs. It looked sooooo funny trying to crawl away in its front paws. So i had me a little laugh before i capped the vermin permanently. Tasted quite good might i add. Even better is when you can nab a whole family of quail. Or a rattlesnake! Omg i love rattlesnake meat. Plus, they're fun to hunt. Especially without a gun. This pic is about 3 years old. Its the first rattler i killed with a blade

Fry em up in bacon grease and add some Cajun Seasoning and you have yourself a hella tasty meal.

As far as letting my kids read some ridiculous Vegan propaganda book. lol no. i wouldn't want them reading it until they were mature enough to make their own opinions rather than go with whatever nonsense they hear.
I'm not saying that the way they say animals are treated is a lie, i just don't care.

[Sadrith]

First off why did you post it twice? Secondly, I think it is your own choice but if I have kids one day I don't want to see this book at my public library just because it uses scare tactics something that has little place in food choice or life style except for the morbidly obese something like that which is a major health concern for the country.

[Negative Ink]

veegin is love having a hear taking a stand or that's why we don't eat animals

Cynicism is having basic literacy skills while taking a stand against stupidity.

'Animal testing' is hardly a subjective term. It encompasses multiple layers of research where much of it may be harmless. Not all animal research can be thrown into the "Testing lipstick on monkey-eyes" steriotype that is all too common. Without animal testing, we would not have a decent cure against diabetes and we would be decades behind our research on things that will hopefully be in place for us in the future, such as treatments for Alzheimer, Parkinson, general neurodegenerative disorders and so fourth. Secondly, making ones child vegan from a young age is equivalent to malnourishment. They'd avoid plenty of amino acids that are vital for them at such a young and developing age. By all means, if they are 16 and turn dopey with some delusion of man not really being omnivorous and only taking it as a snack. In which case, they would avoid a laundry list of animals that dine on each-other not necessarily due to the hunger factor alone then let them pursue that line of thought. A man is however no more evil than a lion for eating meat. Thirdly, showing children images that stand graphic, at a young age, is a horrible parenting strategy. Sure, I could read from Mein Kamf to a 4 year old and try to explain to it the fallacies of extreme ethical nationalism while portraying people slaughtered in concentration camps, but most likely, the child would most likely become more traumatized than conscious about social policies.

By all means, debate with adults and make them all the wiser if you can, but don't cripple the future of children by indoctrinating them with this crap.

[Thefringedninja]

Cynicism is having basic literacy skills while taking a stand against stupidity.

'Animal testing' is hardly a subjective term. It encompasses multiple layers of research where much of it may be harmless. Not all animal research can be thrown into the "Testing lipstick on monkey-eyes" steriotype that is all too common. Without animal testing, we would not have a decent cure against diabetes and we would be decades behind our research on things that will hopefully be in place for us in the future, such as treatments for Alzheimer, Parkinson, general neurodegenerative disorders and so fourth. Secondly, making ones child vegan from a young age is equivalent to malnourishment. They'd avoid plenty of amino acids that are vital for them at such a young and developing age. By all means, if they are 16 and turn dopey with some delusion of man not really being omnivorous and only taking it as a snack. In which case, they would avoid a laundry list of animals that dine on each-other not necessarily due to the hunger factor alone then let them pursue that line of thought. A man is however no more evil than a lion for eating meat. Thirdly, showing children images that stand graphic, at a young age, is a horrible parenting strategy. Sure, I could read from Mein Kamf to a 4 year old and try to explain to it the fallacies of extreme ethical nationalism while portraying people slaughtered in concentration camps, but most likely, the child would most likely become more traumatized than conscious about social policies.

By all means, debate with adults and make them all the wiser if you can, but don't cripple the future of children by indoctrinating them with this crap.

1. In my opinion, I understand that animal testing has helped developing medicines, but personally I would rather die than know that what I am taking has been involved in such a disgusting mistreatment of another life. Of course I would never wish death on anybody who has these conditions, far from it. However, as science has developed animal testing is no longer the only option. For example, we are now able to use bacteria and viruses to develop treatments.

2. Amino acids are not only found in meat. For example, 'Quorn' products and nuts are other products which contain amino acids and other vitamins which are found in animal matter. Also, vitamin suppliments can be used.

3. Surely, we should, as more intellegent life forms be considering other animals. Many top predators (e.g. lions, in your example) lack what we pride ourselves on, which is the ability to emphasise and think about our actions; not acting purely on instinct.

4. Never compare Fascism to Vegetarianism/ Veganism. Ever.

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Carnivorism is Magic!

You are an omnivore. You would probably die of organ failure if you only ate meat.

[DOOM!]

You are an omnivore. You would probably die of organ failure if you only ate meat.

Carnivorism is a part of Omnivorism, I don't like using the former term because it sounds too much like "Human-vore", you get the picture?

[DeathBlade/13.666]

Is this about Veganism or the right to decide what we read?

If it's the first part, as much as I dislike the taste of some veggies, Human's are omnivores. Just look at the way the teeth are designed and the digestion system works. Not eating meat for any reason seems silly to me. I mean the only thing more silly/childish is only eating a small select group of food items (smaller than half a complete food group), especially with all the world to taste and enjoy.

If it's the later, Well as much as I disagree with the author, I believe it is a greater crime to stiffle peoples ability to read facts and opinions for themselves and come up with their own conclusions. Therefore, if my children wish to read it, fine. If not, no lost to me. Forcing people to take in only the information and notions that one approves of is a gross injustice to and for all.

[Negative Ink]

1. In my opinion, I understand that animal testing has helped developing medicines, but personally I would rather die than know that what I am taking has been involved in such a disgusting mistreatment of another life. Of course I would never wish death on anybody who has these conditions, far from it. However, as science has developed animal testing is no longer the only option. For example, we are now able to use bacteria and viruses to develop treatments.

2. Amino acids are not only found in meat. For example, 'Quorn' products and nuts are other products which contain amino acids and other vitamins which are found in animal matter. Also, vitamin suppliments can be used.

3. Surely, we should, as more intellegent life forms be considering other animals. Many top predators (e.g. lions, in your example) lack what we pride ourselves on, which is the ability to emphasise and think about our actions; not acting purely on instinct.

4. Never compare Fascism to Vegetarianism/ Veganism. Ever.[COLOR="Silver"]

Your first point is cynically misdriven. No, bactiral developments will not unlock a greater understanding on vital regions of the brain such as the basal ganglia. Where much research on disorders such as Alzheimers and general neurodegenerative disorders take place. For CERTAIN developments true, animal testing is no longer needed or ever was needed, but for vital practical research and development then yes, it's inevitable and by far the lesser evil than human testing. For general diseases this is often also true if it can become genetically implanted. As a side note treatments for other animals are also developed this way, but if you REALLY want to 'die rather than be involved' you certainly have to ensure that you never pay taxes, for taxes leads to subsidies, and subsidies leads to farms, and farms lead to all from cattle slaughter to chicken harvest.

Second point is a straw man. I never said that meat was the only substance with amino acids, but certain secondary and still quite important amino acids are only found in meat. More importantly, some of the vital ones are only found in substantial quantities in meat, and to go 'vegan' in order to get such a quota, you'd have to eat very selectively and in quantities unsustainable to the common man. To keep someone young and developing away from such acid is equivalent to malnourishment as it will likely cost them big time throughout the life. Not to mention the lack of calcium and vitamin B12 is a common problem with those who have gone vegan. Yes supplements exist, but that's secondary to the preferred, natural supply one should and would generally be able to have if one eat meat.

Third point is bizarre. Yes, we should have general treatment standards for animals, but humans will always come before animals as will our nutritious needs. I would not see major industries, who feed entire nations go to waste because someone worries about the empathy shown to the average chicken.

Fourth point is you simply not getting it. I was not comparing veganism to fascism. *Or national socialism which would be closer to the accurate misconception* I was comparing how showing violent pictures to a child of a horrible chapter in history, will make them much likely more traumatized than socially intellectual, as would showing them pictures of animal research on it's most raw form make them more empathetical and raise their general awareness. It's just likely to screw them up, even if the intentions are good.

[Thefringedninja]

Your first point is cynically misdriven. No, bactiral developments will not unlock a greater understanding on vital regions of the brain such as the basal ganglia. Where much research on disorders such as Alzheimers and general neurodegenerative disorders take place. For CERTAIN developments true, animal testing is no longer needed or ever was needed, but for vital practical research and development then yes, it's inevitable and by far the lesser evil than human testing. For general diseases this is often also true if it can become genetically implanted. As a side note treatments for other animals are also developed this way, but if you REALLY want to 'die rather than be involved' you certainly have to ensure that you never pay taxes, for taxes leads to subsidies, and subsidies leads to farms, and farms lead to all from cattle slaughter to chicken harvest.

Second point is a straw man. I never said that meat was the only substance with amino acids, but certain secondary and still quite important amino acids are only found in meat. More importantly, some of the vital ones are only found in substantial quantities in meat, and to go 'vegan' in order to get such a quota, you'd have to eat very selectively and in quantities unsustainable to the common man. To keep someone young and developing away from such acid is equivalent to malnourishment as it will likely cost them big time throughout the life. Not to mention the lack of calcium and vitamin B12 is a common problem with those who have gone vegan. Yes supplements exist, but that's secondary to the preferred, natural supply one should and would generally be able to have if one eat meat.

Third point is bizarre. Yes, we should have general treatment standards for animals, but humans will always come before animals as will our nutritious needs. I would not see major industries, who feed entire nations go to waste because someone worries about the empathy shown to the average chicken.

Fourth point is you simply not getting it. I was not comparing veganism to fascism. *Or national socialism which would be closer to the accurate misconception* I was comparing how showing violent pictures to a child of a horrible chapter in history, will make them much likely more traumatized than socially intellectual, as would showing them pictures of animal research on it's most raw form make them more empathetical and raise their general awareness. It's just likely to screw them up, even if the intentions are good.

Fair points, well made, however I'm sorry, but I'm not entirely convinced...my feelings are too strong on the issue xP
I hate the idea that we should always think ourselves so superior to animals and allow them to be exploited for our own gain. The life of a chicken is in my mind equal to the life of a human. I know my views are radical, but in the end they will never change and will only be strengthened by argument!

Also, I know that the Nazis were 'national socialists' supposedly, however if you really analyze their policies there is a distinct lack of socialism...well, generally a lack of real direction. Socialism looks to create an equal society...*cough*

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Not really. You bringing up a philosophical question doesn't suggest much of anything. But I digress....

What about animals that are killed in a humane fashion (organic meat, kosher meat, etc)? Can we compare this to head bashing too?

As true as this may be (for some of our meat anyway), the same thing is happening to fruits and vegetables. The genetic engineering of plants is nothing new and has been going on for years now.

Isn't the idea of this thread to question and state our morals and to raise philosophical questions?

I find the phrase 'killed in a humane fashion' to be quite ironic, but nvm :P It's a bit like saying "gently tortured"...
For me, just the idea of planning the death of millions of animals with such little emotion seems crazy! Don't you feel even the slightest bit of guilt to be eating something which would otherwise be living a peaceful life? Maybe I'm too emotionally driven... xP

LOL, I know that GM has been going on for years...I'm actually going to university get a degree in it xD I'm not against GM at all. In fact I am all for it when non-living testing methods are used! I'm just producing an argument which goes against the idea that meat in supermarkets is 'natural'.

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Congrats, I just hooked you up with one. Also, it means that you getting swallowed gets his jollies.

LMAO at "gets his jollies"! xD
Swallowed by what? Other animals, or anything?!

[DOOM!]

Swallowed by what? Other animals, or anything?!

That varies between an ample choice of beasts or the one who's boat you rock.

[Wio]

Fair points, well made, however I'm sorry, but I'm not entirely convinced...my feelings are too strong on the issue xP
I hate the idea that we should always think ourselves so superior to animals and allow them to be exploited for our own gain. The life of a chicken is in my mind equal to the life of a human. I know my views are radical, but in the end they will never change and will only be strengthened by argument!

It's a matter of reasoning. Most people's ethical standards for species is based on intelligence. Worms are stupid. Cows are stupid. Plants are beyond stupid. Humans are smart. They have the ability making ethical standards and judgement. Eating humans is bad. Cats are kinda smart too... let's not eat them. It's very simple reasoning.

What's your excuse?

My excuse is that eating meat is a part of the culture I was raised in. Most domesticated animals would go extinct nearly if we stopped eating them, because they are dependent on humanity to survive.

[DOOM!]

It's always the vegans and furfags that keep striving to prove the people their existence is should be accepted, tolerated and then imposed. But they have nothing, no proof, no reason.
I like MLP and ever since I starded watching it, I found horse meat to taste even better. I never pass off the chance to have some equine slices topped with rucola.
Oh, and "X is Looooove" is already a Trademark catchphrase of some other hate-inflicting business, it's old and they should stop using it.
ACTA is Love.
War on Iraq is Love.
Durex is Love.
Carnivorism is Magic!

[aether]

In my opinion if someone imposes their view upon someone else thats not good, so thats why when I have kids I will let them choose if they want to be vegan etc after all that was how I was brought up and it worked for me so theoretically speaking should work when I have kids of my own one day

[Princess Cupcake]

Ok. I will weigh on this here matter. Please do not get offended by my opinions, for they are just that.

Meat contains protein which is very valuable nutrition wise. It is the main source of protein and to just give it up seems a lil pointless to me. I mean, it's part of the food pyramid for a reason, right? Vegans are rare compared to the majority of us who are willing to eat meat. So if they are trying to save animals by not eating meat it won't be much help. Also, I just feel like eating meat is what we're supposed to do. Since ancient times people have survived by hunting and eating meat. It's the circle of life. In no way do I condone how the some animals are treated as they're hauled off to be slaughtered, but eating meat is integral to my diet so I'm not just going to stop my meat consumption. Besides, I find meat to be quite tasty.

My friend is a big hippie right? Or so she thinks. Well this one day we were talking about what we liked on our pizza. Of course, I am a meat lover, so I say stuff like pepperoni, bacon, ham, sausage and the like. She cringed slightly which I didn't understand. Apparently she favors vegetables on her pizza and tells me she might become a vegetarian. I asked why and she couldn't really answer. She has been my friend for a long time and I have to say I didn't see this one comin' (even though she always got cheese pizza and I always wanted to get pepperoni lol) but what's funny is I think she is just being trendy. She wants to add to her hippie image, imo. You know what else is funny? I really can't stand vegetables. I only really enjoy eating potatos, carrots, sometimes green beans and corn. Most of them I hate. Obviously I am biased but this is just my POV for those who care.

If my kid wants to be a vegan, I will discourage it, however, when they are old enough to make such a decision on their own, then I will leave it up to them. Though if they end up being the kind to cut out visiting zoos and carnivals, it will be very sad going without them cuz I love zoos and carnivals. When I was little, my mom made me eat my vegetables. How ironic would it if I had to make my kids eat their meat instead? xD In the end, a child is too young to make that kind of decision for themselves and I wouldn't want mine to read this book.

[Thefringedninja]

Ok. I will weigh on this here matter. Please do not get offended by my opinions, for they are just that.

Meat contains protein which is very valuable nutrition wise. It is the main source of protein and to just give it up seems a lil pointless to me. I mean, it's part of the food pyramid for a reason, right? Vegans are rare compared to the majority of us who are willing to eat meat. So if they are trying to save animals by not eating meat it won't be much help. Also, I just feel like eating meat is what we're supposed to do. Since ancient times people have survived by hunting and eating meat. It's the circle of life. In no way do I condone how the some animals are treated as they're hauled off to be slaughtered, but eating meat is integral to my diet so I'm not just going to stop my meat consumption.

I understand your point of view, however I'd like to point out that every year one single vegetarian not eating meat saves on average 100 animals from being slaughtered.
I would be delighted to save just a single one, so I feel amazing when I hear that statistic!
Plus, a lot of things have changed since 'ancient' times. They used to bash eachother on the heads and eat eachother's brains in order to assert dominance in tribes. Would you be willing to do that?!

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Carnivorism is a part of Omnivorism, I don't like using the former term because it sounds too much like "Human-vore", you get the picture?

Not really, but ok.

[DOOM!]

Not really, but ok.

This is vore and I'm sick of it. Next thing you know, these freaks will be parading on the streets demanding rights, marriage, yelling "it's genetical" and the likes...

[aether]

In all fairness animal has eaten animal since the dawn of time, its just that we have now domesticated several varieties of them in the purpose of eating them later. At the end of the day its still a natural process except its occuring on a mass scale

[DeathBlade/13.666]

and I'm sick of it. Next thing you know, these freaks will be parading on the streets demanding rights, marriage, yelling "it's genetical" and the likes...

Careful with your links, bud. There's foul and offensive language all over that page.

[DOOM!]

Careful with your links, bud. There's foul and offensive language all over that page.

Most subject that have their own thread, or are present in various user's details have leadings to offensive matters. As you've seen, I tried pasting a youtube video (that was... "offensive" for this site) hyperlink, but no matter how tried, it always displayed the video in the post and not just the link, so I switched it to a link to ED, which, I believe is much more explanatory and less misinformant than Wikipedia on certain... disputable topics. But hey, it's offsite and it's in the interest of graeter EDucation,

[Thefringedninja]

I'm already allergic to gluten and casien, there is no way I'd ever go vegan. I honestly don't even know what I would eat.



Don't use terms you don't fully understand in a rude or abrasive context, it'll get you in more sticky situations than you'd like.

I won't go on some ridiculous tangent about vore, but, as a vorephille, I can tell you that less than 1% of the following consider cannibalism to be part of the fetish. And I'm only saying that ANYONE thinks this for the sake of benefit of the doubt. I have never, in all my years, seen a single discussion in which another vorephille thinks vore is of or related to cannibalism, nor have I seen anyone admit that they feel they get stimulated by thinking so.

Yes, it's a freakishly weird fetish; I completely understand how outlandishly weird it seems to other people (myself, even). It makes almost no sense at all.
But, as a brony (unless your avatar is satirical), I would guess you understand what it's like for people to hate you for liking something they don't know jack about. It's the same thing here.

EDIT #2: Wow, do I even know who I'm talking to? Not sure why I bothered trying to explain something to you of all people.

So, what is a vorephile? I was kind of grossed out by the pictures in the link! No offence...

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Okay well... thanks for pointing that out lol. I wasn't implying that their cause wasn't meritable, I was just making a point that no matter how many animals they save, many more have either already been digested, or still await their death, which probably won't change because eating meat is in our nature (another point I was trying to make with the 'ancient' times thing but you had to try and make me seem silly for saying that). Of course I'm not going to bash someone's head in and eat their brains. Belligerent dominance and eating meat really don't go hand in hand, ya know. We've evolved since then and though we avoid bashing each other heads in, there's one thing that has remained the same and that's eating meat.

LOL, I wasn't meaning to make you look silly. Sorry! :P

I just meant to raise the philosophical question of why we have chosen to get rid of belligerent dominance, yet still continue to eat meat? This suggests that in the future we may evolve to not even eat meat.
Biologically speaking, we can't even eat purely raw meat without being very ill, so this suggests there is nothing 'natural' at all about eating meat.
Also, the may in which we rear animals for slaughter is the furthest thing you can get to natural. Injected with hormones, genetically engineered...you might as well be eating meat grown by cloning of proteins from a petri dish (which is currently being developed, believe it or not!)!

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-edit- And while we are arguing whether eating animals is right or not, take a look at the children of Africa that are going through famines and are malnourished... THey can use some meat to help give them protein to help get them back to a healthy weight.

Sure, they need protein, but they also need carbohydrates, fats, vitamins and minerals. These can all be found from other sources, not just meat.
Currently aid workers feed children like this a protein paste, made of peanuts. Last time I checked peanuts weren't meat xD
Peanuts aren't only a source of protein, but also 'healthy' unsaturated fats and carbohydrate.

[DOOM!]

I'm already allergic to gluten and casien, there is no way I'd ever go vegan. I honestly don't even know what I would eat.



Don't use terms you don't fully understand in a rude or abrasive context, it'll get you in more sticky situations than you'd like.

I won't go on some ridiculous tangent about vore, but, as a vorephille, I can tell you that less than 1% of the following consider cannibalism to be part of the fetish. And I'm only saying that ANYONE thinks this for the sake of benefit of the doubt. I have never, in all my years, seen a single discussion in which another vorephille thinks vore is of or related to cannibalism, nor have I seen anyone admit that they feel they get stimulated by thinking so.

Yes, it's a freakishly weird fetish; I completely understand how outlandishly weird it seems to other people (myself, even). It makes almost no sense at all.
But, as a brony (unless your avatar is satirical), I would guess you understand what it's like for people to hate you for liking something they don't know jack about. It's the same thing here.

EDIT #2: Wow, do I even know who I'm talking to? Not sure why I bothered trying to explain something to you of all people.

My relation to Bronydom is both a real and a sarcastic one; while I do realize what it's like to be part of a "group of individuals", I also enjoy "bashing" on said group. It's an inconventional way of adhering to opposing opinions.

So, what is a vorephile? I was kind of grossed out by the pictures in the link! No offence...

Congrats, I just hooked you up with one. Also, it means that you getting swallowed gets his jollies.

[wolfgirl90]

I just meant to raise the philosophical question of why we have chosen to get rid of belligerent dominance, yet still continue to eat meat? This suggests that in the future we may evolve to not even eat meat.

Not really. You bringing up a philosophical question doesn't suggest much of anything. But I digress....

As someone pointed out, bashing a person's skull in a fit of violent dominance and killing an animal for sustenance are two different things. I mean, I can't help but notice the fact that people were probably eating meat back in those days and are still eating meat, even in our time of due process and war laws.

What about animals that are killed in a humane fashion (organic meat, kosher meat, etc)? Can we compare this to head bashing too?

Biologically speaking, we can't even eat purely raw meat without being very ill, so this suggests there is nothing 'natural' at all about eating meat.

Our biological composition doesn't have anything to do with this. Depending on the person, the fact that you get sick eating raw meat is because your body hasn't been conditioned to it. In our time of meat regulations and cleanliness, to eat raw meat would potentially expose us to bacteria that our bodies aren't used to being exposed to. Hell, if a person were to go back in time just 150 years and try to eat cooked meat, they could still get sick because of the difference in regulations.

This conditioning applies to our pets, too. Our dogs and our cats could get just as sick as us from eating raw meat, despite the fact that they are carnivores, because for generations, their meat has been cleaned and cooked. If we can control what diseases an animal is exposed to and how its meat is prepared, then we can still eat raw meat. That's why we can still eat things like raw beef and fish (tartare, sashimi, etc).

This is the exact same reason why a deer can drink from a lake but we humans still need chlorine tablets to do the same thing.

Also, the may in which we rear animals for slaughter is the furthest thing you can get to natural. Injected with hormones, genetically engineered...you might as well be eating meat grown by cloning of proteins from a petri dish (which is currently being developed, believe it or not!)!

As true as this may be (for some of our meat anyway), the same thing is happening to fruits and vegetables. The genetic engineering of plants is nothing new and has been going on for years now.