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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheThunderBringer View Post
    I'm already allergic to gluten and casien, there is no way I'd ever go vegan. I honestly don't even know what I would eat.



    Don't use terms you don't fully understand in a rude or abrasive context, it'll get you in more sticky situations than you'd like.

    I won't go on some ridiculous tangent about vore, but, as a vorephille, I can tell you that less than 1% of the following consider cannibalism to be part of the fetish. And I'm only saying that ANYONE thinks this for the sake of benefit of the doubt. I have never, in all my years, seen a single discussion in which another vorephille thinks vore is of or related to cannibalism, nor have I seen anyone admit that they feel they get stimulated by thinking so.

    Yes, it's a freakishly weird fetish; I completely understand how outlandishly weird it seems to other people (myself, even). It makes almost no sense at all.
    But, as a brony (unless your avatar is satirical), I would guess you understand what it's like for people to hate you for liking something they don't know jack about. It's the same thing here.

    EDIT #2: Wow, do I even know who I'm talking to? Not sure why I bothered trying to explain something to you of all people.
    So, what is a vorephile? I was kind of grossed out by the pictures in the link! No offence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Cupcake View Post
    Okay well... thanks for pointing that out lol. I wasn't implying that their cause wasn't meritable, I was just making a point that no matter how many animals they save, many more have either already been digested, or still await their death, which probably won't change because eating meat is in our nature (another point I was trying to make with the 'ancient' times thing but you had to try and make me seem silly for saying that). Of course I'm not going to bash someone's head in and eat their brains. Belligerent dominance and eating meat really don't go hand in hand, ya know. We've evolved since then and though we avoid bashing each other heads in, there's one thing that has remained the same and that's eating meat.
    LOL, I wasn't meaning to make you look silly. Sorry! :P

    I just meant to raise the philosophical question of why we have chosen to get rid of belligerent dominance, yet still continue to eat meat? This suggests that in the future we may evolve to not even eat meat.
    Biologically speaking, we can't even eat purely raw meat without being very ill, so this suggests there is nothing 'natural' at all about eating meat.
    Also, the may in which we rear animals for slaughter is the furthest thing you can get to natural. Injected with hormones, genetically engineered...you might as well be eating meat grown by cloning of proteins from a petri dish (which is currently being developed, believe it or not!)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genghis Beatrix View Post
    -edit- And while we are arguing whether eating animals is right or not, take a look at the children of Africa that are going through famines and are malnourished... THey can use some meat to help give them protein to help get them back to a healthy weight.
    Sure, they need protein, but they also need carbohydrates, fats, vitamins and minerals. These can all be found from other sources, not just meat.
    Currently aid workers feed children like this a protein paste, made of peanuts. Last time I checked peanuts weren't meat xD
    Peanuts aren't only a source of protein, but also 'healthy' unsaturated fats and carbohydrate.
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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheThunderBringer View Post
    I'm already allergic to gluten and casien, there is no way I'd ever go vegan. I honestly don't even know what I would eat.



    Don't use terms you don't fully understand in a rude or abrasive context, it'll get you in more sticky situations than you'd like.

    I won't go on some ridiculous tangent about vore, but, as a vorephille, I can tell you that less than 1% of the following consider cannibalism to be part of the fetish. And I'm only saying that ANYONE thinks this for the sake of benefit of the doubt. I have never, in all my years, seen a single discussion in which another vorephille thinks vore is of or related to cannibalism, nor have I seen anyone admit that they feel they get stimulated by thinking so.

    Yes, it's a freakishly weird fetish; I completely understand how outlandishly weird it seems to other people (myself, even). It makes almost no sense at all.
    But, as a brony (unless your avatar is satirical), I would guess you understand what it's like for people to hate you for liking something they don't know jack about. It's the same thing here.

    EDIT #2: Wow, do I even know who I'm talking to? Not sure why I bothered trying to explain something to you of all people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thefringedninja View Post
    So, what is a vorephile? I was kind of grossed out by the pictures in the link! No offence...
    Congrats, I just hooked you up with one. Also, it means that you getting swallowed gets his jollies.


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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    Quote Originally Posted by Thefringedninja View Post
    1. In my opinion, I understand that animal testing has helped developing medicines, but personally I would rather die than know that what I am taking has been involved in such a disgusting mistreatment of another life. Of course I would never wish death on anybody who has these conditions, far from it. However, as science has developed animal testing is no longer the only option. For example, we are now able to use bacteria and viruses to develop treatments.

    2. Amino acids are not only found in meat. For example, 'Quorn' products and nuts are other products which contain amino acids and other vitamins which are found in animal matter. Also, vitamin suppliments can be used.

    3. Surely, we should, as more intellegent life forms be considering other animals. Many top predators (e.g. lions, in your example) lack what we pride ourselves on, which is the ability to emphasise and think about our actions; not acting purely on instinct.

    4. Never compare Fascism to Vegetarianism/ Veganism. Ever.[COLOR="Silver"]
    Your first point is cynically misdriven. No, bactiral developments will not unlock a greater understanding on vital regions of the brain such as the basal ganglia. Where much research on disorders such as Alzheimers and general neurodegenerative disorders take place. For CERTAIN developments true, animal testing is no longer needed or ever was needed, but for vital practical research and development then yes, it's inevitable and by far the lesser evil than human testing. For general diseases this is often also true if it can become genetically implanted. As a side note treatments for other animals are also developed this way, but if you REALLY want to 'die rather than be involved' you certainly have to ensure that you never pay taxes, for taxes leads to subsidies, and subsidies leads to farms, and farms lead to all from cattle slaughter to chicken harvest.

    Second point is a straw man. I never said that meat was the only substance with amino acids, but certain secondary and still quite important amino acids are only found in meat. More importantly, some of the vital ones are only found in substantial quantities in meat, and to go 'vegan' in order to get such a quota, you'd have to eat very selectively and in quantities unsustainable to the common man. To keep someone young and developing away from such acid is equivalent to malnourishment as it will likely cost them big time throughout the life. Not to mention the lack of calcium and vitamin B12 is a common problem with those who have gone vegan. Yes supplements exist, but that's secondary to the preferred, natural supply one should and would generally be able to have if one eat meat.

    Third point is bizarre. Yes, we should have general treatment standards for animals, but humans will always come before animals as will our nutritious needs. I would not see major industries, who feed entire nations go to waste because someone worries about the empathy shown to the average chicken.

    Fourth point is you simply not getting it. I was not comparing veganism to fascism. *Or national socialism which would be closer to the accurate misconception* I was comparing how showing violent pictures to a child of a horrible chapter in history, will make them much likely more traumatized than socially intellectual, as would showing them pictures of animal research on it's most raw form make them more empathetical and raise their general awareness. It's just likely to screw them up, even if the intentions are good.

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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    Quote Originally Posted by Thefringedninja View Post
    I just meant to raise the philosophical question of why we have chosen to get rid of belligerent dominance, yet still continue to eat meat? This suggests that in the future we may evolve to not even eat meat.
    Not really. You bringing up a philosophical question doesn't suggest much of anything. But I digress....

    As someone pointed out, bashing a person's skull in a fit of violent dominance and killing an animal for sustenance are two different things. I mean, I can't help but notice the fact that people were probably eating meat back in those days and are still eating meat, even in our time of due process and war laws.

    What about animals that are killed in a humane fashion (organic meat, kosher meat, etc)? Can we compare this to head bashing too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thefringedninja View Post
    Biologically speaking, we can't even eat purely raw meat without being very ill, so this suggests there is nothing 'natural' at all about eating meat.
    Our biological composition doesn't have anything to do with this. Depending on the person, the fact that you get sick eating raw meat is because your body hasn't been conditioned to it. In our time of meat regulations and cleanliness, to eat raw meat would potentially expose us to bacteria that our bodies aren't used to being exposed to. Hell, if a person were to go back in time just 150 years and try to eat cooked meat, they could still get sick because of the difference in regulations.

    This conditioning applies to our pets, too. Our dogs and our cats could get just as sick as us from eating raw meat, despite the fact that they are carnivores, because for generations, their meat has been cleaned and cooked. If we can control what diseases an animal is exposed to and how its meat is prepared, then we can still eat raw meat. That's why we can still eat things like raw beef and fish (tartare, sashimi, etc).

    This is the exact same reason why a deer can drink from a lake but we humans still need chlorine tablets to do the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thefringedninja View Post
    Also, the may in which we rear animals for slaughter is the furthest thing you can get to natural. Injected with hormones, genetically engineered...you might as well be eating meat grown by cloning of proteins from a petri dish (which is currently being developed, believe it or not!)!
    As true as this may be (for some of our meat anyway), the same thing is happening to fruits and vegetables. The genetic engineering of plants is nothing new and has been going on for years now.
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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    Quote Originally Posted by Negative Ink View Post
    Your first point is cynically misdriven. No, bactiral developments will not unlock a greater understanding on vital regions of the brain such as the basal ganglia. Where much research on disorders such as Alzheimers and general neurodegenerative disorders take place. For CERTAIN developments true, animal testing is no longer needed or ever was needed, but for vital practical research and development then yes, it's inevitable and by far the lesser evil than human testing. For general diseases this is often also true if it can become genetically implanted. As a side note treatments for other animals are also developed this way, but if you REALLY want to 'die rather than be involved' you certainly have to ensure that you never pay taxes, for taxes leads to subsidies, and subsidies leads to farms, and farms lead to all from cattle slaughter to chicken harvest.

    Second point is a straw man. I never said that meat was the only substance with amino acids, but certain secondary and still quite important amino acids are only found in meat. More importantly, some of the vital ones are only found in substantial quantities in meat, and to go 'vegan' in order to get such a quota, you'd have to eat very selectively and in quantities unsustainable to the common man. To keep someone young and developing away from such acid is equivalent to malnourishment as it will likely cost them big time throughout the life. Not to mention the lack of calcium and vitamin B12 is a common problem with those who have gone vegan. Yes supplements exist, but that's secondary to the preferred, natural supply one should and would generally be able to have if one eat meat.

    Third point is bizarre. Yes, we should have general treatment standards for animals, but humans will always come before animals as will our nutritious needs. I would not see major industries, who feed entire nations go to waste because someone worries about the empathy shown to the average chicken.

    Fourth point is you simply not getting it. I was not comparing veganism to fascism. *Or national socialism which would be closer to the accurate misconception* I was comparing how showing violent pictures to a child of a horrible chapter in history, will make them much likely more traumatized than socially intellectual, as would showing them pictures of animal research on it's most raw form make them more empathetical and raise their general awareness. It's just likely to screw them up, even if the intentions are good.
    Fair points, well made, however I'm sorry, but I'm not entirely convinced...my feelings are too strong on the issue xP
    I hate the idea that we should always think ourselves so superior to animals and allow them to be exploited for our own gain. The life of a chicken is in my mind equal to the life of a human. I know my views are radical, but in the end they will never change and will only be strengthened by argument!

    Also, I know that the Nazis were 'national socialists' supposedly, however if you really analyze their policies there is a distinct lack of socialism...well, generally a lack of real direction. Socialism looks to create an equal society...*cough*

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    Not really. You bringing up a philosophical question doesn't suggest much of anything. But I digress....

    What about animals that are killed in a humane fashion (organic meat, kosher meat, etc)? Can we compare this to head bashing too?

    As true as this may be (for some of our meat anyway), the same thing is happening to fruits and vegetables. The genetic engineering of plants is nothing new and has been going on for years now.
    Isn't the idea of this thread to question and state our morals and to raise philosophical questions?

    I find the phrase 'killed in a humane fashion' to be quite ironic, but nvm :P It's a bit like saying "gently tortured"...
    For me, just the idea of planning the death of millions of animals with such little emotion seems crazy! Don't you feel even the slightest bit of guilt to be eating something which would otherwise be living a peaceful life? Maybe I'm too emotionally driven... xP

    LOL, I know that GM has been going on for years...I'm actually going to university get a degree in it xD I'm not against GM at all. In fact I am all for it when non-living testing methods are used! I'm just producing an argument which goes against the idea that meat in supermarkets is 'natural'.

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    Congrats, I just hooked you up with one. Also, it means that you getting swallowed gets his jollies.
    LMAO at "gets his jollies"! xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thefringedninja View Post
    Swallowed by what? Other animals, or anything?!
    That varies between an ample choice of beasts or the one who's boat you rock.


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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    Quote Originally Posted by Thefringedninja View Post
    Fair points, well made, however I'm sorry, but I'm not entirely convinced...my feelings are too strong on the issue xP
    I hate the idea that we should always think ourselves so superior to animals and allow them to be exploited for our own gain. The life of a chicken is in my mind equal to the life of a human. I know my views are radical, but in the end they will never change and will only be strengthened by argument!
    It's a matter of reasoning. Most people's ethical standards for species is based on intelligence. Worms are stupid. Cows are stupid. Plants are beyond stupid. Humans are smart. They have the ability making ethical standards and judgement. Eating humans is bad. Cats are kinda smart too... let's not eat them. It's very simple reasoning.

    What's your excuse?

    My excuse is that eating meat is a part of the culture I was raised in. Most domesticated animals would go extinct nearly if we stopped eating them, because they are dependent on humanity to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    It's a matter of reasoning. Most people's ethical standards for species is based on intelligence. Worms are stupid. Cows are stupid. Plants are beyond stupid. Humans are smart. They have the ability making ethical standards and judgement. Eating humans is bad. Cats are kinda smart too... let's not eat them. It's very simple reasoning.

    What's your excuse?

    My excuse is that eating meat is a part of the culture I was raised in. Most domesticated animals would go extinct nearly if we stopped eating them, because they are dependent on humanity to survive.
    My excuse...I love animals too much xD
    Plants do not have brains or emotions, so I don't see eating them as a problem. Wheras animals have family relationships, even if they are simplistic. I believe they do feel pain when another one of their pack is killed. Also, most animals which are slaughtered are more intellegent than we are lead to believe. For example, they say that pigs have the intellegence similar to that of a three year old human. Pork is made from 3 month old pigs...can you imagine the distress the poor creatures go through when they are seperated from their mothers at such a young age?
    If that were being done to human children it would be an outrage and child cruelty. You would be put in prison for it.
    Cats are said to be just as smart as rabbits...pigs are said to be smarter than cats.

    Plus, I would rather the 'domesticated' animals did not exist at all than having them be treated in such a disgusting way. Also, pot-bellied pigs are a common pet, but are not used for eating. Horses are generally kept not for eating. Cows are needed for dairy production and chickens are needed to produce eggs.

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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    So, what is a vorephile? I was kind of grossed out by the pictures in the link! No offence...
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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    No, I wouldn't let my children read that book until they are of a mental capacity to be able to critically analyse what they have read, and not just agree with it because they feel pity or because the images are confronting.

    Also, I wrote this last time a meat debate came up, so if anyone wants a quick explanation/starting point of WHY we eat meat then feel free to take a gander, you can even drop a comment if you wish. You mean it's not cos it tastes good?

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    And as a small aside, whether you eat a plant or an animal, you have still taken, and consumed a life in order to sustain a life. You might think that the moral high ground is to eat the plant because it can't 'feel', but that's just like kicking a paraplegic in the leg and thinking it's not assault.


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    heres a sanario. lets say you are a hardcore vegan and you get caught in a snow storm and all you had ware was fur coats.do you use the fur coat or decide to die a nobal vegan and freez to death
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkrider21 View Post
    heres a sanario. lets say you are a hardcore vegan and you get caught in a snow storm and all you had ware was fur coats.do you use the fur coat or decide to die a nobal vegan and freez to death
    logically, they vermin would choose to use the fur coats. But i'd keep my fingers crossed that they wouldn't and rather choose to die. They wouldn't be missed by me.

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    My excuse...I love animals too much xD
    Plants do not have brains or emotions, so I don't see eating them as a problem. Wheras animals have family relationships, even if they are simplistic. I believe they do feel pain when another one of their pack is killed. Also, most animals which are slaughtered are more intellegent than we are lead to believe. For example, they say that pigs have the intellegence similar to that of a three year old human. Pork is made from 3 month old pigs...can you imagine the distress the poor creatures go through when they are seperated from their mothers at such a young age?
    If that were being done to human children it would be an outrage and child cruelty. You would be put in prison for it.
    Cats are said to be just as smart as rabbits...pigs are said to be smarter than cats.

    Plus, I would rather the 'domesticated' animals did not exist at all than having them be treated in such a disgusting way. Also, pot-bellied pigs are a common pet, but are not used for eating. Horses are generally kept not for eating. Cows are needed for dairy production and chickens are needed to produce eggs.

    If you're wondering I'm a veggie, not a vegan xP
    But its the emotions of fear, distress, and pain soaked into the meat that makes it taste oh so good. Medium-rare. If i can't taste the creatures last emotions then it doesn't taste good to me.
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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    If you have to resort to using emotional blackmail on children to get your point across then it casts doubt on the strength of your argument. I just don't see how veganism leads to a better life for the animals involved. If people across the world stopped eating meat we would see the culling in mass of all farmyard animals. Even more species would go extinct.

    That said, if you want to eat vegan only, why not? To each his own really.

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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    @OminousCloud I would never kick anyone...I'm a pacifist xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by OminousCloud View Post
    And as a small aside, whether you eat a plant or an animal, you have still taken, and consumed a life in order to sustain a life. You might think that the moral high ground is to eat the plant because it can't 'feel', but that's just like kicking a paraplegic in the leg and thinking it's not assault.
    As I have suggested, it's not the case that I think that I have a moral 'high ground'...it's just my personal feelings which have lead me to vegetarianism. It by no means makes me a better person...it just makes me feel better in myself. I save a life whilst I do it, which is a huge bonus

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkrider21 View Post
    heres a sanario. lets say you are a hardcore vegan and you get caught in a snow storm and all you had ware was fur coats.do you use the fur coat or decide to die a nobal vegan and freez to death
    I'd would die...I could never kill another being physically or emotionally.
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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    If you're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made of food?

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    Default Re: vegan is love taking a stand. would you want your children to read it

    Quote Originally Posted by Thefringedninja View Post
    I save a life whilst I do it, which is a huge bonus

    I'd would die...I could never kill another being physically or emotionally.
    That's the point: You ARE killing something. Plants ARE alive. You're not "saving a life" by not eating meat. You think the cow that produces the beef you don't eat is any less dead? Not eating meat because it tickles your jimmies is all fine and dandy, but saying you're saving lives and not killing anything is just naive.

    Do you even know how many animals died either directly from or as a consequence of farming? A cow died for my steak; how many animals died for your salad?
    The least harm principle is sugar coated bullcrap.
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