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    There is a rumor that the next gen consoles of the Playstation and Xbox will have anti piracy systems in place. But really what it appears to be is a counter to used games; instead of receiving all the content, you would be limited to only the single player, if that.

    Basically, its an all engrossing copy of something is EA is doing with its games. Take Battlefield 3 for instance; buying the game used doesnt give you the entire game, just the single player (which sucked). In order to play online with it (which is Battlefield's only purpose) you must buy a code to unlock the multiplayer. If you bought the game brand new, you didnt have this problem unless you hated the game, in which case you would be out of luck and 60 bucks.

    But imagine if every single used game forced you to pay more money in order to play them? You couldnt lend games to your friends, nor could you rent a game and receive all its content.

    Source: http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged...003839870.html


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    Default Re: End of Used Games

    If this goes through, I wont buy the console till it's hacked. And it will be hacked.

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    Default Re: End of Used Games

    This might be more beneficial for the game companies, but there will be too much retaliation from the consumers.

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    Default Re: End of Used Games

    That's obvious. And all this crying saying used games hurt them is bull. How is a game that was already paid for, and they got their money for, hurting them if it goes back into circulation? It doesn't. They're just greedy and want everyone to buy games new so they can make more in profits. If this was such an issue then they would have been issuing complaints decades ago. In the end BS move made for profit. Screwing over your customers isn't a smart business practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    That's obvious. And all this crying saying used games hurt them is bull. How is a game that was already paid for, and they got their money for, hurting them if it goes back into circulation? It doesn't. They're just greedy and want everyone to buy games new so they can make more in profits. If this was such an issue then they would have been issuing complaints decades ago. In the end BS move made for profit. Screwing over your customers isn't a smart business practice.
    Actually, its really a matter of resale. On launch day, a game is sold new, but if its traded back, the makers get no money for the resale of the used copy, it becomes exclusive property of Gamestop, etc, for them to sell and resell and at a lower price. And they can keep on reselling the used game over and over again as long as it continues to be traded back. So on a certain level, the game companies are only paid once, whereas GS can be paid near infinity as long as the used game is in stock (and it always is).

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    Default Re: End of Used Games

    Quote Originally Posted by Serated View Post
    There is a rumor that the next gen consoles of the Playstation and Xbox will have anti piracy systems in place. But really what it appears to be is a counter to used games; instead of receiving all the content, you would be limited to only the single player, if that.

    Basically, its an all engrossing copy of something is EA is doing with its games. Take Battlefield 3 for instance; buying the game used doesnt give you the entire game, just the single player (which sucked). In order to play online with it (which is Battlefield's only purpose) you must buy a code to unlock the multiplayer. If you bought the game brand new, you didnt have this problem unless you hated the game, in which case you would be out of luck and 60 bucks.

    But imagine if every single used game forced you to pay more money in order to play them? You couldnt lend games to your friends, nor could you rent a game and receive all its content.

    Source: http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged...003839870.html


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    Im not sure I follow but if it's true then you will never be able to buy, or borrow, someones already used/played game - if you wan't to play the whole thing? Can't you play them at all, or will it just be parts of them that you can't play?

    And what if your console breaks and you have to buy a new one? Do you then have to pay for the game again, or is there a code that you will give / or that a game will be "added" to your account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serated View Post
    Actually, its really a matter of resale. On launch day, a game is sold new, but if its traded back, the makers get no money for the resale of the used copy, it becomes exclusive property of Gamestop, etc, for them to sell and resell and at a lower price. And they can keep on reselling the used game over and over again as long as it continues to be traded back. So on a certain level, the game companies are only paid once, whereas GS can be paid near infinity as long as the used game is in stock (and it always is).
    Yes, but the company already got paid for that copy. There's no more in circulation then if that copy wasn't resold. It's not hurting the industry at all. Especially when you consider that these days companies milk you for money via BS DLC. For example, content on the disc or Campcom's recent achievement, selling you the true ending to the game. So no, it's nothing but them being greedy for money. Otherwise, like I said before, they would have started this crusade back in the 90's. But they didn't because it wasn't an issue and only started becoming an issue as games became more and more popular.

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    While it's sad this will affect game lending, the used games market is a blight on gaming. Third party companies are making a huge profit off used games, and not a nickle of this goes back to the developers that poured their soul into making the game. And because these same companies are the ones to sell the original copies, they keep them on shelves for an extremely short time in order to boost their own profits from the used market, and try all they can to persuade you to buy a used copy over a new one. This money grubbing is seriously hurting the game developers.

    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    Yes, but the company already got paid for that copy. There's no more in circulation then if that copy wasn't resold. It's not hurting the industry at all. Especially when you consider that these days companies milk you for money via BS DLC. For example, content on the disc or Campcom's recent achievement, selling you the true ending to the game. So no, it's nothing but them being greedy for money. Otherwise, like I said before, they would have started this crusade back in the 90's. But they didn't because it wasn't an issue and only started becoming an issue as games became more and more popular.
    There wasn't enough money in used games in the '90s for these parasites to make a profit. That's why it emerged in the '00s.
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    @Eris While that may be true it still isn't costing them anything with all the other crap they pull. Such as $8 for a pallet swap in a fighting game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    @Eris While that may be true it still isn't costing them anything with all the other crap they pull. Such as $8 for a pallet swap in a fighting game.
    The game developers try to use this to motivate things that can not be motivated by this. But that doesn't change the fact that used games companies are hurting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    The game developers try to use this to motivate things that can not be motivated by this. But that doesn't change the fact that used games companies are hurting them.
    You care to back that up? Nothing I've seen supports this.

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    Hot topic, yeah. I'll just say what I said in other forums....

    They also implied that you'll need permanent connection + the new consoles won't use physical copies (obviously) and will got full digital.

    This pretty much goes beyond the online code, but it goes into the annoying DMR territory, which may defer per game (Final Fight Ultimate Impact requires you to be connected to PSN with the account of purchased to be played a.k.a wasn't playable during the outage) and let's not forget they reduced on how many systems you can active your account on, which is now 2 and could be the same number for the new Playstation.

    It could be a lot worse for the Xbox 360 since unless the you got the license from the product installed on your Xbox, then you'll have to be signed in at all times to play or use any content inside the account.

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    By the way, used games does hurt the developers, more than piracy. But this is far beyond to do for some hypothetical dollars.

    But seriously, it does....Just put it this way:

    The developer sends 100 new copies to GameStop, they sell 50, so let's say 10 bucks each, the company just earned $500 bucks. The consumers played it, (plat it, whatever) and then returned the game and GameStop puts them on sell as used for 8 bucks and those 50 does sell, and they earn around 400(?) bucks. The company has lost (potential) dollars that could've been earned if the people weren't so cheap to pay extra 2 bucks to buy it new. So like @Serated said, those 50 copies will keep recycling and GameStop keeps making money while (X-Company) it's not earning a thing from those copies and because the other 50 aren't selling.

    They were expected to make 1000 bucks but now they only gained 500 while GameStop is making (400, 800, 1200) if the cycle keeps going on. Now they are 500 short that could've been earned but now they since it wasn't earned they pretty much lost and it could lead to shut down.

    With piracy, you're creating a copy of the game yourself...the money goes nor to the publisher/developers nor GameStop, so hypothetical dollars don't exist to begin with, simply because NO MONEY IS INVOLVED TO BEGIN WITH.
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    Default Re: End of Used Games

    I buy used games, but I can't afford $50 games anymore.. and by time the price drops to where I can afford it there's already "BLAH BLAH BLAH 2 or BLAH BLAH BLAH 3" out.. And it's just ARGGGG...

    If games were cheaper I'd buy them brand new... I think they'd get more sales and more money if they'd just lower it to 30-40 rather than 50-70 with tax..

    So I will continue to hurt the game industry until they stop hurting my wallet.. Yup..


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    And ironically, the reason they're hurting your wallet is because the used games market is forcing up the prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    And ironically, the reason they're hurting your wallet is because the used games market is forcing up the prices.
    What's funny is that some people are willing to pay 55 bucks for it just to save 5 bucks to find out they have to pay 10 bucks to play online.

    I can go with the Online Pass thing.

    Let's not forget the infamous Buy 2 Get 1 Free.

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    And ironically, the reason they're hurting your wallet is because the used games market is forcing up the prices.
    Well the prices were 50+ ever since the ps3 and the 360 came out.. before then games were not that high.. I could buy a nice game for my gamecube at it's peak time for $30 but as time passed the prices for new games [and a few year old games] remained to be very expensive... the prices overall never seem to drop.. Forcing people to end up buying used.

    They could've prevented this by not having the games cost so friggin much day 1 to now...


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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Well the prices were 50+ ever since the ps3 and the 360 came out.. before then games were not that high.. I could buy a nice game for my gamecube at it's peak time for $30 but as time passed the prices for new games [and a few year old games] remained to be very expensive... the prices overall never seem to drop.. Forcing people to end up buying used.

    They could've prevented this by not having the games cost so friggin much day 1 to now...
    All prices increase over time. It's called inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    All prices increase over time. It's called inflation.
    Well ain't no ones wallet increasing with it....

    I call it "greedy game companies"

    Well it can be any company really... But they care more about how much $$$ they can price something and get away with it than actually trying to price it to where they still get profit but yet people can still actually afford it on a regular basis..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    All prices increase over time. It's called inflation.
    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Well ain't no ones wallet increasing with it....

    I call it "greedy game companies"

    Well it can be any company really... But they care more about how much $$$ they can price something and get away with it than actually trying to price it to where they still get profit but yet people can still actually afford it on a regular basis..
    What Eris said.

    It's not only that but what it's involved it's how much money is involved during the making of the game. Indie games require a cheaper budget hence why they are cheaper. GameCube games require less budget than PS3/Xbox games....Also hence why Wii games are cheaper than the former too.

    In some cases like Sonic Generations which was 30 bucks cheaper on PC...welll PC gaming has been cheaper all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Well ain't no ones wallet increasing with it....

    I call it "greedy game companies"

    Well it can be any company really... But they care more about how much $$$ they can price something and get away with it than actually trying to price it to where they still get profit but yet people can still actually afford it on a regular basis..
    Your income should increase with the inflation, unless you're getting poorer. Inflation is a well known economic phenomenon. It exists everywhere, and is unavoidable in an economy that is growing (and you want to be growing). Usually it's just a few percent a year. But that accumulates rather quickly, to 40-50% per decade.

    However game prices have gone up faster than inflation because the used games market is cutting into their profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    Your income should increase with the inflation, unless you're getting poorer. Inflation is a well known economic phenomenon. It exists everywhere, and is unavoidable in an economy that is growing (and you want to be growing). Usually it's just a few percent a year. But that accumulates rather quickly, to 40-50% per decade.

    However game prices have gone up faster than inflation because the used games market is cutting into their profits.
    But how if the games have been the same price (59.99) all throughout PS3 and 360's life...

    It still remains that price and it always was that price since the console came out.. Since it was that price people have been ok with buying used. So how does it really effect it if it was that much even before people started buying used??


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    They can't raise prices much farther, as you yourself illustrate. Doing so just drives more people into used games. So they hurt economically instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    They can't raise prices much farther, as you yourself illustrate. Doing so just drives more people into used games. So they hurt economically instead.
    But see Eris, the problem is that unless the game is a year old, used games at most will cost 5 USD less than new, which is the same case.

    After a a few months-year, that's when they reduce the price to a a more affordable one but at the same time they rarely have a new copy of the game.

    I mean some people are willing to pay 55 but not 60?

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    Id stop buying games. I can't afford to shell out loads on a single game. I don't think they'll reclaim as much people as they think they will

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