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    Default [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    With Windows 8, the whole experience of Windows has been reimagined. It’s designed to work on a wide range of devices , from touch-enabled tablets, to laptops, to desktops and all-in-ones. We’ve designed Windows 8 to give you instant access to your apps, your files, and the information you care about most so you can spend less time navigating and more time doing what you actually want to do. You can move between Windows 8 PCs easily and access your files and settings from virtually anywhere.
    Full article here. Enjoy the reading. ^_^

    Windows 8 Beta or Consumer Preview as Microsoft calls it was just released (a week ago actually). Some people like it, others don't. What is your thought?

    This new Windows brings a whole new idea of using the computer. It was optimized for tablets and touch, but even with a mouse is really not bad. I admit I hated the whole Metro UI concept the very first couple of hours, but right now I find Windows 7 to be … well, bulky and inefficient.

    So what is really new in Windows 8?
    Metro UI: This is the very first difference you will notice when you boot the OS up. It's mostly designed for touch devices, but normal PC users could find it rather handy as well;
    Internet Explorer 10: Most of you don't really use it, but those who do will probably enjoy the new spell checker (yes, I know, Firefox and Chrome had that ages ago >_>;; ), better HTML5 and CSS3 support, speed improvements and other features the IE team is making for us;
    Live services integration: This feature allows you to sync settings, browser bookmarks/favorities and other configurations with other PCs using Windows 8, so you don't have to manually adapt all your PCs to work the same way;
    Native ISO mounter: This allows you to mount ISO files directly into Windows Explorer without the need to use any 3rd party tools;
    Windows Explorer and Task Manager re-design: Windows Explorer comes with a ribbon like in Microsoft Office 2010, it changes a bit the way you are used to move files around the hard drive (you can read more here), while the task manager brings a more complete and easy to read interface (it looks rather cartoonish too if you ask me);
    and more …

    The above is just a small list of new/redesigned features Windows 8 brings, but there are a lot more changes not only for casual users, but also for gamers like integration with the XBOX network or, for more tech people, the ability to create virtual machines with Hyper-V.

    Those of you who are curious to check it out you can get the ISO files here.

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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    Question: Would it be possible to install(not sure if right word) on an iPod Touch? As in, wiping the god forsaken iOS off of it and using Windows 8.

     
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    I don't like the whole "integration" feel of it, but that could be just me being me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Angelic Anathema View Post
    Question: Would it be possible to install(not sure if right word) on an iPod Touch? As in, wiping the god forsaken iOS off of it and using Windows 8.
    Of course it's possible, but you will have to play with it a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrpineapple View Post
    I don't like the whole "integration" feel of it, but that could be just me being me.

    Xp ftw! :P
    I like the whole integration thing actually. I've been waiting for MS to finally centralize all their products into one pack for quite a while. With the amount of things I use downloading and reconfiguring everything on all my PCs is a pain. o_o

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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    Quote Originally Posted by FlashD View Post
    I like the whole integration thing actually. I've been waiting for MS to finally centralize all their products into one pack for quite a while. With the amount of things I use downloading and reconfiguring everything on all my PCs is a pain. o_o
    I meant across things like phones and tablets and stuff.
    i can see how it is handy though.

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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    It looks like a retarded version of an imported iOS onto an PC with some recolors. I can't see myself working with something that looks like (and works like) a shitty smartphone. I'll stick with Windows 7.

    @Ranshiin : Is that sarcasm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuru View Post
    It looks like a retarded version of an imported iOS onto an PC with some recolors. I can't see myself working with something that looks like (and works like) a shitty smartphone. I'll stick with Windows 7.
    Quite a strong opinion, but unfortunately from what I've seen and heard of Metro UI, my opinion is currently fairly similar.

    With the advance in technology and consumerism, the popularity of smartphones and thus touch-screen devices mean this was probably an inevitability. To be honest, I don't like the idea of using a computer through nothing but touch-screen (a smartphone is a different matter. I could now be pedantic and argue about how you'd do certain things on a touch-screen-orientated desktop OS, such as play Call of Duty, but that would just be pushing a pointless and digressing argument), so that's why I therefore currently don't hold a high opinion of a desktop OS designed for such things.

    Of course, I could merely be overreacting, but similarly I also never enjoyed Office 2007's ribbon-thing, and if that's been incorporated into the new OS' UI in some manner, then I'm going to have issues with it from the get-go. Maybe for the 'new generation', such an OS won't be too difficult to grasp as it'll be more in-line with the technology they've grown up with, but for someone like me who once had to remember to type 'PLAY SKWEEK' on his Amstrad CPC just to play a video game, then the shift away from 'standard' input peripherals and usability is a bit daunting.

    I also hate the Xbox' version of Metro. Just throwing that out there.

    So... Flash, since I'm retarded, are you able to post any screenshots of the 'consumer preview' for people like myself to see what exactly this thing looks and works like? I'm not really planning on installing it on my desktop (It'll frell up Grub for a start, since I learned that Windows is possessive over the boot record and you have to install Linux AFTER Windows) and I'm not too keen on installing it on my Dell XPS either. If I can get my old laptop working again (it might just need a new hard disk) then I might try it on that, but that's that :/

    Still, an example of this new UI would be beneficial, as maybe my opinion is just far too biased towards what I've seen of it. You say it's not that bad, once you get used to it.

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    I read the first linked article, which contained more info as well as images... I am, unfortunately, still not impressed with the new UI. A desktop OS is supposed to be a desktop OS, not a larger version of a smartphone OS. The hell is this obsession with 'Apps' anyway? What happened to programs? Also I imagine all these 'apps' running through the Metro OS and all those real-time updates being a real hog on system hardware and internet. :|
    Also, another gripe with smartphone OS' is their damn insistence in throwing things in my face I don't want. I can guarantee that Metro is going to attempt to throw Facebook and Twitter and IE10 and all sorts of other things I don't and never will use in my face, as if daring me, provoking me into using them. I can guarantee similarly, that my first three hours on the OS will be figuring out how to tell it I hate Facebook and I don't want anything to do with it. I don't even want to use SkyDrive, I'm pretty sure Microsoft would love to see me upload proof of piracy onto their cloud servers. >_>
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    By just posting pictures you'd only see what you can see by using Google. I'll hook you up to a virtual machine instead and let you mess with it, just give me a couple of hours to DL the ISO again. I just hope Hyper-V can run it. o_o;;

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    It's up to you. I dunno how exactly that's going to work, though. Is it like using Wubi to boot Ubuntu through Windows?

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    What, me quoting your opinion and saying I agree with it? No, I wasn't being sarcastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashD View Post
    Windows 8 Beta or Consumer Preview as Microsoft calls it was just released (a week ago actually). Some people like it, others don't. What is your thought?
    At the least, I am very much not a part of their target market. Less conservatively, I think it's awful. Looks like Fisher-Price did the graphic redesign.

    It's fine for a TV/game console display, and might even work well on a tablet or a smartphone, but it's absolutely idiotic to shoehorn it onto desktop or more traditional mobile computers.
    This new Windows brings a whole new idea of using the computer. It was optimized for tablets and touch...
    Ah. Or, the desktop/laptop interface was not addressed on its own merits. Arguably not a great idea, given how many Windows seats are corporate/business setups, chugging along faithfully on neglected, soiled, and dusty towers, desktop and laptops.
    Internet Explorer 10: Most of you don't really use it, but those who do will probably enjoy the new spell checker (yes, I know, Firefox and Chrome had that ages ago >_>;; ), better HTML5 and CSS3 support, speed improvements and other features the IE team is making for us;
    IE is still the browser of last resort, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe I'd use it before Safari, but only because it's already installed. (Version 8, though; XP still lives here.)
    Live services integration: This feature allows you to sync settings, browser bookmarks/favorites and other configurations with other PCs using Windows 8, so you don't have to manually adapt all your PCs to work the same way;
    I'll grant you, I've done that via applications' sync features or Dropbox trickery, but I've done it.
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    Been using click-to-mount, in Puppy Linux since '08, at least, and Puppy is a smaller effort, so I'd assume that the capability has been around longer still. Old hat.
    Windows Explorer and Task Manager re-design: Windows Explorer comes with a ribbon like in Microsoft Office 2010...
    Add another grumbling complaint to my list.
    ...it changes a bit the way you are used to move files around the hard drive (you can read more here), while the task manager brings a more complete and easy to read interface (it looks rather cartoonish too if you ask me);
    WIndows has had terrible copy/move dialogs for years.

    and more Ö
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    The three biggest things Microsoft has going for it in its Windows and Office business are (1) market dominance, (2) age-old backwards compatibility and (3) alliances with hardware OEMs, particularly Intel.
    In their infinite wisdom, though, they've decided to enter a market (tablets) where they have no such clout- it's held mostly by Apple and varied Android, et al devices.
    They have also decided that applications must be written for the Metro interface, and that some of the tablets (and maybe PCs, too- don't know yet) will run on ARM processors without any x86 compatibility layer, software or hardware.
    They propose to install it on tablets, many running ARM processors, which will neglect many existing OEM partners, particularly Intel.

    So, to recap, they are throwing away their three main business advantages, all at once, while neglecting the use cases (corporate/business) that has done the most for them, historically. Brilliant stuff, this.



    I'll just finish with one more little link. Good reading, might be useful. Certain parallels between each case regarding users, use cases, UI redesigns, etc.
    http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ty-against-you
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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    I downloaded it, and tested it when it was released. I certainly find it interesting though I'll be sticking with Windows 7 for now. I see no reason to upgrade at this point.
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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    I'm not even going to waste my time and download it now. It will be heavily marketed, the uneducated masses will love it, then we'll all feel like we're missing out and 2 years after release we'll all be using it forgetting this thread and our gripes.

    As for my gripes everythings been said so rehashing it in a huge long winded post is useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Unit Tatty Dawg View Post
    It will be heavily marketed, the uneducated masses will love it, then we'll all feel like we're missing out and 2 years after release we'll all be using it forgetting this thread and our gripes.
    Some of us, maybe. Myself, I still bring up Clippy.

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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAsterisk! View Post
    Some of us, maybe. Myself, I still bring up Clippy.

    God, I really hope ReactOS gets out of alpha before the pyramids crumble.
    That's mainly aimed at windows 7 users.


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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

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    That's mainly aimed at windows 7 users.
    That you for reiterating my point. I'd much prefer something that emulated the interface of even Windows 2000 rather than one that apes Windows 8.

    EDIT: Perhaps you meant your comment was aimed at Win7 users, not that ReactOS was aimed at them, in which case things would make more sense. My apologies, if this is so.
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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    The later was the correct one, I should have made it clearer so for that good sir, i am the one that apologies.


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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    There's a windows 8? o.o Jesus christ..

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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAsterisk! View Post
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    At the least, I am very much not a part of their target market. Less conservatively, I think it's awful. Looks like Fisher-Price did the graphic redesign.
    That was my first gut reaction when I saw the developer preview. The consumer preview just looks as bad.

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    Woo, Puppy Linux! @TheAsterisk!

    Even though I dual-boot windows 7 and ubuntu and my experience with puppy tends to be one of my co-workers complaining the disc won't boot on a laptop. >.>

    Well, I had a bit of a discussion about W8 with FlashD in the chat a few nights ago and also had an attempted go/look at the OS itself via what basically amounted to a remote connection/control program. Derp Hyper-V derp. But, to be fair to FlashD - and I am being honest here - I'm still not impressed by the new OS.

    Having had its features demonstrated to me and having attempted momentarily to play around with it myself ... really, even for someone who has grown up using Windows' systems (I think I've used everything except the server edition OS') the new design and the intended direction being taken left me very confused as the new system evidently turned me into a complete computer n00b. You would have really expected Microsoft to keep some decent aspect of user-compatibility with the UI - as I said, I've grown up with Windows systems and the transition from one new OS to the next has never really been headache-inducing. Yes, as new OS have been released, new features have been implemented and over time the UI itself has changed, but it has been a gradual change and for the most part what I used to do to perform a task in Windows 98, possessed a similar if not identical method in future OS. The biggest pain for me in Windows 7 was getting used to the new control panel layout, in comparison to Windows XP.

    Obviously, therefore, Windows 8 has changed too much in one go, in attempting to appeal to the new smartphone/tablet-orientated consumer. Yes, after being demonstrated how to do certain things in W8, it's obvious it's still a desktop OS, but the fact is that there have been from what I experienced too many new changes and it left me confused. Maybe for someone who has never used a computer before, the OS will sit fine, but for people like my parents, who have only just recently been introduced to Windows 7 having used XP MCE for the past six years, the changes are going to leave them confused as to how to do things.

    Isn't the new OS supposed to simplify how you do things? It took me five minutes to figure out how to use the 'start menu'. Christ, Flash had to physically SHOW ME. I work with computers for a living, and it left me stumped. That's enough of an impression in itself. ~_~

    Still, I had a similar opinion of Vista when it first came out (my opinion of Vista, unfortunately, hasn't changed). I don't want to bash W8 but for a new user it's quite a radical change from the previous directions Microsoft have been going. I've only used it for, say, an hour or so, so my experience is notably limited and really I should play with it a little more before giving a more definitive opinion; I'm guessing that after I've used it for a while and gotten used to the changes I might grow to like it. Maybe I won't, but first impressions do tend to shape the opinion as a whole, and my first impressions aren't very positive. It may work well as a smartphone OS but as a desktop OS it seems a step in the wrong direction right now.

    Also, I hate 'Metro'. I'm waiting for people to start whispering gay jokes about it. (-cough- metrosexuals -cough-). Yeah, I went there. :|


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    Woo, Puppy Linux! @TheAsterisk!

    Even though I dual-boot windows 7 and ubuntu and my experience with puppy tends to be one of my co-workers complaining the disc won't boot on a laptop. >.>
    Whatever works. I happen to think my Puppy is perfectly well house broken, but others do report stains on the carpet and chewed slippers from time to time.
    Also, I hate 'Metro'. I'm waiting for people to start whispering gay jokes about it. (-cough- metrosexuals -cough-). Yeah, I went there. :|

    From my perspective, it's just a continuation of the condescending, user-is-a-dolt UI design philosophy, embraced by far too many OS companies and projects. It's the kind of thing that I would expect to see adorned with a piece of masking tape with my name scrawled in block letters on it in marker. You know, just in case I forget which one is mine.

    I don't appreciate that kind of thing unless it's done in jest.
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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    whats with the frikkin tiles????!!!!!

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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    Quote Originally Posted by Luv_The_Unloved View Post
    whats with the frikkin tiles????!!!!!
    That's Metro and what I've seen of it made me dislike it.

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    Default Re: [News] Windows 8 Consumer Preview was released

    You know, I feel dirty admitting it, but Ive considered installing Internet Explorer 9 based on the commercials...so Im interested in how 10 will look

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