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    Default [Dra+KoI]とある竜の恋の歌 Translation help

    こんにちは みんなさん!

    First of all, I'm still studying Japanese and I'm not very good at it yet. Though I lack the linguistic skills, I wanted to try translating a song because the lyrics sounded pretty simple and I couldn't find English translation for it. I hate to admit it, but I had to use help of two dictionaries (and as ridiculous as it sounds, I even used Google Translate. This is my first translation so be gentle, please ;_;).
    So if any of you has time and interest, could you please check how badly I did and correct my errors.



    Song of love of a certain dragon


    Dragon in a story
    In dragon's time
    In dragon's hope
    In dragon's error
    In dragon's truth
    In dragon's dream
    In dragon's fate
    In dragon's cause
    In dragon's love



    Sound without land
    The song of love, fluffy sound
    Deviation in taking out a gear
    Cracking the unstopable fate

    Resurrected immeaditely from antiquity
    Love of desolated awoked

    Seeking a bond
    The gush of flames
    Destruction and regeneration
    Your noble curse


    Dragon in a story
    In dragon's time
    In dragon's hope
    In dragon's error
    In dragon's truth
    In dragon's dream
    In dragon's fate
    In dragon's cause
    In dragon's love



    Transparent soul
    Even lie calms down nobly
    Facing the original sins
    Immature love requires no stupidity

    Moonlight now illumes two
    Time of the transient
    Important proof

    Whereabouts of the bond
    Embraced with both hands
    The end and the beginning
    Memories of the precious you


    In dragon's time
    In dragon's hope
    In dragon's error
    In dragon's truth
    In dragon's dream
    In dragon's fate
    In dragon's cause
    In dragon's love



    Seeking a bond
    The gush of flames
    Destruction and regeneration
    Your noble curse
    Whereabouts of the bond
    Embraced with both hands
    The beginning and the end
    Memories of the precious you


    Dragon in a story
    In dragon's time
    In dragon's hope
    In dragon's error
    In dragon's truth
    In dragon's dream
    In dragon's fate
    In dragon's cause
    In dragon's love


    Few notes:
    -Latin parts are in italic and should be correct. You may check them too if you want to. "In dracone..." isn't a genetive exactly, though "In dragon's..." sounds much better than the literal translation "In dragon...".
    - I know that the last two lines of the 2nd verse don't make very much sense, but I had no idea how else to say it. What it means is 'Changing the flow of time', which I didn't want to use because I tried to make the translation as literal as possible (except for the Latin part).
    - After 3rd verse, the Japanese parts seem to be off again. Simply, read every other line and it should clarify.

    ありがとうございます!

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    Default Re: [Dra+KoI]とある竜の恋の歌 Translation help

    Kanji here as ref.
    Draco in fabula
    In dracone hora
    In dracone spes
    In dracone error
    In dracone veritas
    In dracone somnium
    In dracone fatum
    In dracone causa
    In dracone amor

    音のない大地に 恋の歌 響けば
    狂い出す歯車
    止められぬ宿命が
    はじけた
    蘇る 今 いにしえより
    寂寞の恋 目覚めた
    絆を求めて
    炎はほとばしる
    破壊と再生
    気高き君の呪縛

    Draco in fabula
    In dracone hora
    In dracone spes
    In dracone error
    In dracone veritas
    In dracone somnium
    In dracone fatum
    In dracone causa
    In dracone amor

    透き通る魂
    嘘もなく気高く
    原罪を抱えて
    未熟な恋 求む 愚かさ
    月明かり 今 ふたり照らす
    束の間の時 重ねた
    絆の行方を
    両手で抱きしめた
    終わりと始まり
    貴き君の記憶

    In dracone hora
    In dracone spes
    In dracone error
    In dracone veritas
    In dracone somnium
    In dracone fatum
    In dracone causa
    In dracone amor

    絆を求めて
    炎はほとばしる
    破壊と再生
    気高き君の呪縛
    絆の行方を
    両手で抱きしめた
    終わりと始まり
    貴き君の記憶

    Draco in fabula
    In dracone hora
    In dracone spes
    In dracone error
    In dracone veritas
    In dracone somnium
    In dracone fatum
    In dracone causa
    In dracone amo
    @animeyay can testify if the Latin is right. It's great to have a Latin-speaking admin eh? Sadly not even Nichijou tried to do one in Malay...

    音のない大地に 恋の歌 響けば
    >Sound without land
    >The song of love, fluffy sound

    I'm assuming that you haven't learned the -ba verb form (conditional) yet.

    狂い出す歯車
    止められぬ宿命が
    はじけた
    >Deviation in taking out a gear
    >Cracking the unstopable fate
    And your compounds and transitive/intransitive...

    蘇る 今 いにしえより
    寂寞の恋 目覚めた
    >Resurrected immeaditely from antiquity
    >Love of desolated awoked
    It's "awakened" not "awoked"...

    >I tried to make the translation as literal as possible (except for the Latin part).
    *crashes head into keyboard*...

    Eh, I, uh, no offense but, not that I DON'T wanna help you (I'd prolly type up a longer discussion later but not now I'm busy) but, the greatest problem I find is how you think the lyrics are easy. Dude. This is Nitroplus we're talking about... don't you think you should try something easier without hard words like 寂寞 to start translating with? Yes they say start with love songs and this is one, but try something coming from a less messed-up galge company rather please...
    Last edited by AzureDark; 03-01-2012 at 06:06 PM.

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    Default Re: [Dra+KoI]とある竜の恋の歌 Translation help

    Quote Originally Posted by Buguraukusu View Post
    -Latin parts are in italic and should be correct. You may check them too if you want to. "In dracone..." isn't a genetive exactly, though "In dragon's..." sounds much better than the literal translation "In dragon..."
    Draco in fabula is definitely "[There's] a dragon in a story"

    However, hora, spes, error, veritas, somnium, fatum, causa, amor are all in the nominative case, so using "dracone" as a genitive might be a bit inaccurate? in dracone hora = "[there's] time in the dragon" or "that dragon has time", so:

    There's a dragon in the story.
    The dragon has/had time,
    ...hope,
    ...error,
    ...truth,
    ...dream,
    ...fate,
    ...reason,
    ...love.

    More liberally, you could try "The dragon went through time, hope, error, etc."?
    Last edited by animeyay; 03-01-2012 at 11:06 PM.

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    Default Re: [Dra+KoI]とある竜の恋の歌 Translation help

    Quote Originally Posted by AzureDark View Post

    I'm assuming that you haven't learned the -ba verb form (conditional) yet.

    And your compounds and transitive/intransitive...
    Told ya, I'm still learning, so no, haven't heard of that yet, that's why I asked your opinion.
    I'd take courses more often but my school doesn't offer them and I definitely don't want to spend my money on a thing that I can get for free. It's easy to study words on your own but grammar is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by AzureDark View Post
    >translation as literal as possible.
    *crashes head into keyboard*...
    I know that it's not the way to do it, but why should I start making proper lyrics before I'm sure about the meanings? It's much easier to go with separate phrases at first than make singable lyrics directly.


    Quote Originally Posted by AzureDark View Post
    you think the lyrics are easy
    I never said they were easy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Buguraukusu View Post
    the lyrics sounded pretty simple
    Obviously they weren't and I was mistaken. If no one offers to help me, I may as well erase my posts in order to save myself from further embarrassment.
    Last edited by Buguraukusu; 03-02-2012 at 08:07 AM.

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    Default Re: [Dra+KoI]とある竜の恋の歌 Translation help

    >It's much easier to go with separate phrases at first than make singable lyrics directly.
    Actually we don't do singable lyrics here, either. While I acknowledge that literal translation is a way of translating things, ultimately you want a translation to give a similar meaning in English to what it is trying to tell in Japanese. That almost never make singable lyrics. You may have mistook what I was indicating as wanting you to translate it into singable.
    Secondly, lines in songs never make a complete sentence, you need to join them up so that the translation makes more sense and contribute to the big picture. What you have:
    Sound without land
    The song of love, fluffy sound
    Deviation in taking out a gear
    Cracking the unstopable fate
    sound disjointed (although you tried).

    A literal t/l goes like this;
    When the song of love resonates in the land of no sound
    The gears start to feverishly (turn)
    The unstoppable fate is released


    But a literal t/l doesn't exactly reveal the connection which, in a meaningful t/l, uses a skill called inference:
    When the love song beams across the silent land
    The gears start to grind
    Setting into motion the inevitable fate

    and the lines become one whole sentence.
    Last edited by AzureDark; 03-02-2012 at 08:13 AM.

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    Default Re: [Dra+KoI]とある竜の恋の歌 Translation help

    The translation you needed it meant "hello everyone" in hiragana. one of the most common writing systems

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